Been Thinking About McCarthyism This Morning

[Svengoolie 3]

Nixon tried to sabotage democracy, which is one of the highest forms of treason against America even if it's not legally recognized  as such. In fact among many sabotaging democracy s looked upon as a funny thing to do.

Karl Rove bragged early in his career he hired people to constantly call the local democrat office during campaigns to jam up their phone lines and make it hard or impossible for them to manage their campaigns. He bragged about this and his fellow conservatives think he's just the cleverest little thing. He was actively sabotaging democracy and should have been imprisoned.

He also liked to leave flyers in poor neighborhoods saying the democrat campaign office would be giving out free food and beer on election day to attract a crowd of them to disrupt the office. Again more sabotage of democracy, again looked u[on as a great idea.

Actively trying to sabotage democracy should be considered a crime against america as a whole, instead its looked upon with respect when something like turd blossom does it.

[ER]

Nixon tried to sabotage democracy, which is one of the highest forms of treason against America even if it's not legally recognized  as such. In fact among many sabotaging democracy s looked upon as a funny thing to do.

Karl Rove bragged early in his career he hired people to constantly call the local democrat office during campaigns to jam up their phone lines and make it hard or impossible for them to manage their campaigns. He bragged about this and his fellow conservatives think he's just the cleverest little thing. He was actively sabotaging democracy and should have been imprisoned.

He also liked to leave flyers in poor neighborhoods saying the democrat campaign office would be giving out free food and beer on election day to attract a crowd of them to disrupt the office. Again more sabotage of democracy, again looked u[on as a great idea.

Actively trying to sabotage democracy should be considered a crime against america as a whole, instead its looked upon with respect when something like turd blossom does it.

Years ago a friend of mine in Austin lived in the same community as Karl Rove and was pulling in one evening and Rove was standing in the street talking to some people and when he told me about the encounter I asked my friend, "Did Karl Rove's eyes shine unnaturally in your headlights?"

I guess he could hide his mortal disguise better than that.

Rove backed GWB's constant second-guessing of the intelligence community to the point yes-men took over operations and an edge gained in the Clinton years was lost. Believe it or not (sigh) things in that way got much better in the Obama years.

Rove was so loathed by much of the mid-level and under figures in US intelligence I am surprised he didn't have a "heart attack" long ago.

[lester1/2jr]

He (Chambers) was also right about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Dexter_White

[ER]

lester is right.

Honestly, however exploited the Red Scare may have been, the United States was infested with Soviet agents all throughout the Cold War, with many operatives early in the period having helped the Soviets during the war out of questionable good intentions, since the Soviets were our allies at the time, and some were then unwillingly entrapped by the Soviets into continuing their work. I wouldn't be surprised if for every turncoat we know about, several more got away with it. While HUAC was picking on the secretaries of movie studio execs, real spies were quietly burrowing into everyday life.

I'll say it again, the world has never seen an intelligence agency like the KGB. It was an espionage factory. Blackmail, bribery, coercion, extortion, infiltration, confidences based on sexual relationships, they made an industry out of it all the size of General Motors, and being open the West made it much easier for them to operate here than they ever did for us to get inside over there.

I once heard a terrifying, credible story about how the KGB had stores of nuclear waste buried across the US, waiting to be used on our homeland in time of war.

And that's just the Soviets. The East Germans were over here in startling numbers too and were if anything more daring and vicious. At one point in the late 1980s the Stasi directly threatened the families of CIA employees here in the United States, even in the heartland, and got what it wanted as a result. Namely, a number of American operations within East Berlin were shut down.

It's a wonder we came through the Cold War as unscathed as we did.

[indianasmith]

Nixon tried to sabotage democracy, which is one of the highest forms of treason against America even if it's not legally recognized  as such. In fact among many sabotaging democracy s looked upon as a funny thing to do.

Karl Rove bragged early in his career he hired people to constantly call the local democrat office during campaigns to jam up their phone lines and make it hard or impossible for them to manage their campaigns. He bragged about this and his fellow conservatives think he's just the cleverest little thing. He was actively sabotaging democracy and should have been imprisoned.

He also liked to leave flyers in poor neighborhoods saying the democrat campaign office would be giving out free food and beer on election day to attract a crowd of them to disrupt the office. Again more sabotage of democracy, again looked u[on as a great idea.

Actively trying to sabotage democracy should be considered a crime against america as a whole, instead its looked upon with respect when something like turd blossom does it.

I think that is overstating it.  Let's be blunt: Nixon cheated to win an election he was going to win anyway.  There was simply NO WAY George McGovern was going to win in 1972.  He stood no chance.  But, that wasn't good enough for tricky Dick.  He wanted a landslide, and manipulated the process until he got one.  It was stupid and it was criminal and frankly, he needed to resign over it.
But it's not like it changed the result of the election.

I think your passionate hatred of all things conservative and Christian blinds you to much of the good that conservatives have done.

[RCMerchant]

The main thing I don't like about Nixon is yes- he ended the Vietnam war, but before he did that, he ramped it up it to a covert war. And that is real wrong! Your sending someones son out to die-and they're mothers don't even know wtf he's fighting for?
Nixon used connections even before he won the election to extend the war until he got elected.
And he dragged it out on the premise "America has never lost a war!"
He did't want to lose face.
Tricky Dick!

[RCMerchant]

As far as his forgien policy goes- (i.e. China), Kissinger took care of most of that.
But, even after all that, I respect the man because when he knew the jig was up, he resigned.
I was p**sed at first when I heard on the TV that Ford was pardoning him, but I respect Ford's judgement now because he was right- dragging the country threw a big trial would be not f**king good. So he pardoned him. It was actually a brave thing for Ford to do.

[indianasmith]

I would give you karma for that if I could, RC!
BTW, I highly recommend Conrad Black's NIXON - A LIFE IN FULL.  It is the best biography of the man I have ever read.

[LilCerberus]

While I'm having ADHD, could somebody tell what that REM song was about?

[RCMerchant]

"it's the end of the world as we know it-and I feel fine!"

Well, that's pretty self explanatory.

[LilCerberus]

"it's the end of the world as we know it-and I feel fine!"

Well, that's pretty self explanatory.

No, I was asking about the song Exhuming McCarthy.....
And while I've got Document by REM on my mind, the music from Disturbance At The Heron House is ripped off from I Hear The Call by The Unforgiven.

[lester1/2jr]

Nixon is an underrated O. Stone movie

[RCMerchant]

Nixon is an underrated O. Stone movie

So is JFK, by Stone.
I have always questioned the government report, though if the truth resembles this movie-I dunno. I don't think we will ever really know.

[Allhallowsday]

Nixon is an underrated O. Stone movie

So is JFK, by Stone.
I have always questioned the government report, though if the truth resembles this movie-I dunno. I don't think we will ever really know.

I don't think the truth resembles that movie. 

[indianasmith]

I've gone full circle on JFK; I used to be 90% convinced there was a conspiracy that killed him, now I am about 75% sure that Oswald did it alone.