The All-Purpose Political Thread

[Svengoolie 3]

Wasn't the Soviet union's economy failing when Regan took office?

The fall of  the soviet union took everyone by surprise. The CIA didn't see it coming.

I'm grateful that the last leaders of the soviet union were  mature enough not to decide to go out with a bang.

[ER]

Nice way to sidestep my points.


Reagan's supply side  economics never worked for anyone but the rich. The "theory' thastmgiveng more money to time rich helps everyone has Been exploded time and time again,  it only makes the rich richer.  Just like trump's recent trillion dollar tax cut for billionaires,  it made the rich richer and exploded the deficit,  which they now want to address by robbing the poor.

Again,  I pointed out thst in the days Before Reagan a working man coiuld support a family andmwhiome working 40 hours a week.  Try that now!

Also Reagan deregulaged and reregulatedx deliberately driving a bulldozer over FDR's new deal controls meant to stop another great depression thru unregulated stock markets and business.  Right after Reagan left office we had the S&L crisis and guess what happened? The rich plundered the economy without regulations to stop them,  and the American public was then robbed a second time to pay for it and we're still repaying the s&l bailout that   Reagan created.

Since then we've had an economic disaster every decade,  and in each case the rich  get richer and everyone else loses.

reagan also ushered in the dawn of downsizing, which started on his watch. Good jobs began disappearing from america and low paying jobs began appearing in other countries,  again the rich gitmrisher and working peoplecs incomes shrank.

As to the fall of the soviet union,  so what?  I'd rather have the soviet union around and be able to have a good life on a 40 hour A week  job with some security that have what we have after Reagan!

As to the drug issue, it's  none of the government's business if I do marijuana and I'll damn well do it if I want to,  which I happen not to.  I don't do grass but itcs because I choose not to,  and if I wanted to I damn well would.  People donct
Deserve to be in orison for it and have criminal records for it!

As for not breaking the law if you don't  want the consequences it's  funny how many conservatives have that 'tude until people are arrested for blocking access to an abortion clinic then cry about how "persecuted" they are.

Reagan was a disaster for the majority of americans,  his policies helped destroy the american dream for most people and sadly at least as third of  america never learned from it.

Why are you blaming Ronald Reagan for all this, Sven, when you've posted multiple times he was a witless old man and his wife Nancy was the real president? Changed your mind about who ran things, have you? Well good, because as usual you were wrong about that.

[Svengoolie 3]

Why am I not surprised you're  a Reagan fan?

[ER]

Why am I not surprised you're  a Reagan fan?

I am?
Just reminding you of your statements about Reagan being a figurehead for his wife's power.

[lester1/2jr]

I'm also a Reagan fan but have to admit i never got, in general, the whole cold war mentality. communism was a dumb system and eventually collapsed of its own inner contradictions.

Why goad people we consider an "evil empire" into building thousands of nukes pointed at all our major cities? or look at Cuba. what did having a embargo accomplish? We should have flooded them with superior American products like a massive typhoon of capitalism

[Svengoolie 3]

I'm also a Reagan fan but have to admit i never got, in general, the whole cold war mentality. communism was a dumb system and eventually collapsed of its own inner contradictions.

Why goad people we consider an "evil empire" into building thousands of nukes pointed at all our major cities? or look at Cuba. what did having a embargo accomplish? We should have flooded them with superior American products like a massive typhoon of capitalism

Yeah,  coz,  ghawd forged we let people choose their own systems.

[Allhallowsday]

Why am I not surprised you're  a Reagan fan?

I am?
Just reminding you of your statements about Reagan being a figurehead for his wife's power.

I think polarization is endemic in our culture; it's yes or no it's right or wrong it's black or white.  Those with complex opinions are vilified. 

[Olivia Bauer]

Why am I not surprised you're  a Reagan fan?

I am?
Just reminding you of your statements about Reagan being a figurehead for his wife's power.

I think polarization is endemic in our culture; it's yes or no it's right or wrong it's black or white.  Those with complex opinions are vilified. 

You are either an alt-right, Neo-Nazi, fascist or you're a leftist, SJW, snowflake, cuck.

In the world of politics nuance is the new N-Word.

[Leah]

I would say to let them air out, but I don't know if there's a limit to their own ideas that they can't contain.

[Allhallowsday]

An ugly comment made in a moment of anger nearly 50 years ago.
Let's be honest; standards were a bit different then.
Reagan's legacy was much larger than that one moment of nastiness.

Agreed, but it does illustrate more clearly there was no doubt that REAGAN was inclined toward racism.  It's not ONE ugly comment.  "They're still uncomfortable wearing shoes".  It's worth noting that NIXON does not encourage or do much more than listen. 

[indianasmith]

I've read some of the transcripts from Nixon's personal tapes . . . he could use some pretty racist language.
But then again, he and Reagan both grew up in the 1930's and 40's.  Those words were acceptable then by a vast majority of white America.
I think one of the cardinal mistakes we make is when we judge people of a different era by the standards of our time.
We live in a different age.

[Allhallowsday]

I've read some of the transcripts from Nixon's personal tapes . . . he could use some pretty racist language.
But then again, he and Reagan both grew up in the 1930's and 40's.  Those words were acceptable then by a vast majority of white America.
I think one of the cardinal mistakes we make is when we judge people of a different era by the standards of our time.
We live in a different age.

No; you miss my point.  You're the historian.  NIXON's racism is well noted in other venues.  I think NIXON, ever the savvy politician, was working REAGAN. 

[Svengoolie 3]

I've read some of the transcripts from Nixon's personal tapes . . . he could use some pretty racist language.
But then again, he and Reagan both grew up in the 1930's and 40's.  Those words were acceptable then by a vast majority of white America.
I think one of the cardinal mistakes we make is when we judge people of a different era by the standards of our time.
We live in a different age.

No; you miss my point.  You're the historian.  NIXON's racism is well noted in other venues.  I think NIXON, ever the savvy politician, was working REAGAN. 

Going into nixon's racism, he devised the "southern strategy" that his ilk used to essentially turn the south red.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

While it was a despicable strategy that revealed Nixon's party was as devoid of decency as he was, I have to blame the majority of southerner voters for falling for it. These people are so consumed by their racism that they turned away from the democrat party and embraced a party that has seen poverty and economic devastation explode in the south by transporting policies that ovel benefit the rich at the expense of everyone else.

The south is far poorer on the whole than the rest of ameruica and are hit hardest by the pro rich policies of the party they have embraced, yet are so driven by hate and fear of minororites and "so'schlism" and "commyoonizm" that they will not vote for a party that doesn't share their fear and hate of "others" and any form of change or progress.

[Leah]

Personally the more I look into Reagan the more polarizing he becomes. As noted I wasn't alive during his time and honestly I wonder if I'm perfect to be critical of him since I don't have any memories or nostalgia for him.

[Svengoolie 3]

Personally the more I look into Reagan the more polarizing he becomes. As noted I wasn't alive during his time and honestly I wonder if I'm perfect to be critical of him since I don't have any memories or nostalgia for him.

Well, don't take this the wrong way but one thing I find very frightening is the fact so many people are like you today. Now that's nothing against you eo keep reading and see what I mean.

People before reagan can remember when americans had strong unions that kept their wages and benefits good, they can remember when wallstreet was regulated under laws gong back to the new deal, when insurance companies and banks were regulated. When if you got sick you didn't get told "Sorry, pre existing condition, buhbye!" People before reagan can remember having a department of labor that cracked down on corporate abuses of workers and when government still blocked mergers in the interest of the public.

Young people today have grown up in an age of unregulated corporate greed, abuse, exploitation and hostile indifference to the rights and even lives of americans. They just don;t get that it wasn't always like these, we used to have rights and protections. Before reagan. They were taken away from us slowly, quietly, just a bit at a time. One busted union here, a court ruling against workers rights there, a deregulation passed quietly in the background while the public was distracted by some news circus.

You kinds today just don't remember that it wasn't always like this, it was made like this. By people, greedy selfish, soulless people in suits and ties.


El misfit please understand i'm not dumping on your and yout generation, you do worry me a but not thru your fault you have grown up in a world where you've been conditioned to believe thst raw,  naked,  unbridled greed and arrogance from corporate overlords is "just the way it is". You donct remember a time when someone could tell his boss "tnat's none of your business" on a personal  matter or what he did off the job. You don't  remember when banks couldn't just take your money and then tell you "Aaaaand it's gone. " When an insurance ce comlanhy couldn't just refuse to lay a claim and hope you died before you could very a court verdict against them. You've been just conditioned to accept a corporate overlord oligarchy that dictates to workers on every issue and courts rule in their favor 99% of the time.  I mean I worry you kids just donct know things were  better once send could be again. If ooeple fought hard enough for it.

So I hope you understand I'm not downing youmwhen I say your  generation kind of worries and scares me a little.