If Global Warming Is Real....

ER · August 23, 2019, 02:08:33 PM

....and it's coming to change our coastlines and flood our cities, how come climate change alarmist President Obama just retired to a multi-million dollar beach house located mere yards from the ocean?

Leah · August 23, 2019, 02:14:56 PM

Are you trying to bait people?

RCMerchant · August 23, 2019, 02:28:59 PM

If it's real?

I won't even go into why Global Warming is real or not, because arguing the point with someone on the issue is like talking to a doorknob.

Oh- to answer your question- because he can.

Why does Trump want to buy Greenland? Because the ice is melting, which will make it easier to dig for that oil!

ER · August 23, 2019, 02:30:30 PM

I'm curious for opinions. To me retiring to a reportedly vanishing shoreline seems the ultimate vote in a lack of confidence in the doctrine upon which Barack Obama has made millions speaking about.

So, do you have an opinion, Misfit, or did you just come here to troll me?

ER · August 23, 2019, 02:32:53 PM

Quote from: RCMerchant on August 23, 2019, 02:28:59 PM
If it's real?

Oh- to answer your question- because he can.

Why does Trump want to buy Greenland? Because the ice is melting, which will make it easier to dig for that oil!

That may be, but did you know Harry Truman tried to buy Greenland back circa 1950? Was the ice melting then too?

RCMerchant · August 23, 2019, 02:36:34 PM

Quote from: ER on August 23, 2019, 02:32:53 PM
Quote from: RCMerchant on August 23, 2019, 02:28:59 PM
If it's real?

Oh- to answer your question- because he can.

Why does Trump want to buy Greenland? Because the ice is melting, which will make it easier to dig for that oil!

That may be, but did you know Harry Truman tried to buy Greenland back circa 1950? Was the ice melting then too?

Your avoiding the issue. Obama can move if his house floods. He can afford it.
And it likely won't happen in his lifetime. Don't start s**t.
Truman may have wanted it because of a real Cold War threat. Trump just want's to exploit it.

ER · August 23, 2019, 02:41:55 PM

Starting s**t? So you yourself can ask some of the most loaded and personal questions known to the internet, but if I ask for an explanation of why a man who talks about our eroding coastlines moves to one for what he says is his retirement, which presumably is decades to come, it's "starting" something? We should be able to consider a non-personal question without it making anyone mad. Why does the subject make you mad? It doesn't make me mad. Sven has addressed climate change multiple times, including twice yesterday. Was that starting something? No, I'm not starting anything, just curious what others might think. Thanks for your answer. I appreciate it.

RCMerchant · August 23, 2019, 02:44:01 PM

Quote from: ER on August 23, 2019, 02:41:55 PM
Starting s**t? So you yourself can ask some of the most loaded and personal questions known to the internet, but if I ask for an explanation of why a man who talks about our eroding coastlines moves to one for what he says is his retirement, which presumably is decades to come, it's "starting" something? We should be able to consider a non-personal question without it making anyone mad. Why does the subject make you mad? It doesn't make me mad. Sven has addressed climate change multiple times, including twice yesterday. Was that starting something? No, I'm not starting anything, just curious what others might think. Thanks for your answer. I appreciate it.

Your welcome. Always glad to oblige.

Leah · August 23, 2019, 02:46:33 PM

You worded your question in a condescending manner imo. You could have said "Why did Barrack Obama retire to a beach house when he has been vocal about global warming/global climate change?"

ER · August 23, 2019, 02:49:05 PM

Hypocrisy ignites my condescension.

Rev. Powell · August 23, 2019, 02:54:43 PM

Because sea levels are only projected to rise three-quarters of an inch per year, meaning they would take almost 50 years to advance one yard.

Beachfront properties aren't likely to become flooded within our lifetimes. That doesn't imply climate change won't have serious long term ecological and economic consequences 100 years from now. I agree with the overwhelming scientific consensus on climate change, and yet I'd happily buy a house on the beach if I had the disposable income. I don't see even the slightest hint of hypocrisy there.

RCMerchant · August 23, 2019, 02:55:39 PM

Quote from: ER on August 23, 2019, 02:49:05 PM
Hypocrisy ignites my condescension.

Where's the hypocrisy?

Is is in a gaudy multi-millionaire TV show guy who is supposed to be for the working class, and just exploits their fears? And want's to buy a country, who doesn't even like him, to exploit the natural resources there, and make a pocketful of money? And then throws a hissy fit when Denmark won't sell it to him by cancelling a visit to Denmark? Or maybe it's when the President of the United States calls Nazi's " good people" and yet tells Jews " Support me!". Hmmm...

ER · August 23, 2019, 03:01:39 PM

It's interesting you keep bringing President Trump into this. You may have points to make about him, but my question was about the seeming disparity between what President Obama says and what he does. Trump and Obama are two different people. President Obama gave a speech entitled Coastlines in Crisis, and then he moves to one supposedly for the rest of his life? See, to me that's hypocritical and worth pointing out. Does Obama have confidence that coastline will be there for the foreseeable future, or does he believe what he talked about on numerous occasions, concerning coastlines eroding in the near future? I wouldn't build my dream home on a flood plane or an eroding coast.

LilCerberus · August 23, 2019, 03:31:21 PM

Eight years, people kept telling me I was being paranoid...
Funny how it's come a full 360...

Rev. Powell · August 23, 2019, 03:54:22 PM

Quote from: ER on August 23, 2019, 03:01:39 PM
It's interesting you keep bringing President Trump into this. You may have points to make about him, but my question was about the seeming disparity between what President Obama says and what he does. Trump and Obama are two different people. President Obama gave a speech entitled Coastlines in Crisis, and then he moves to one supposedly for the rest of his life? See, to me that's hypocritical and worth pointing out. Does Obama have confidence that coastline will be there for the foreseeable future, or does he believe what he talked about on numerous occasions, concerning coastlines eroding in the near future? I wouldn't build my dream home on a flood plane or an eroding coast.

As I said above, I don't see any hypocrisy at all. I suspect you are adopting a different sense of scale than Obama is. "Foreseeable future" and "near future" aren't precise terms. 100 years is the "near future" if you're taking a generational perspective. I can't find the text (or any mention) of such a speech. If Obama said that the coastline would advance several feet per year, then yes, he would be guilty of exaggeration. But as I pointed out, scientists say coastlines are advancing less than an inch per year. I can't see any hypocrisy involved in buying beachfront property while still accepting the scientific consensus that sea levels are rising and we need to halt or reverse the trend or accept bad consequences.

And if Obama believed the property might be underwater in 100 or 200 years, how would that be hypcrisy? At worst it would be a bad long term investment.