The All-Purpose Political Thread

[Leah]

Well the House voted to Impeach Trump. How much longer are we going to witness this s**t show continue to unfold?

[lester1/2jr]

I don't get it. I don't even understand what hes accused of. not giving money to the ukraine? impeach all of them for giving our tax dollars to the ukraine in the first place

[Allhallowsday]

Bwaahahahahahahahaha...

[indianasmith]

My FB post from tonight:

It is a sad day for our country.
Only three times in all of history has the House voted to impeach a President, and not once has a President been convicted in the Senate. This one won't, either. That is no reflection on his innocence or guilt. It's very clear (to me, at least) that Andrew Johnson WAS guilty of violating the Tenure of Office Act and obstructing Congress, but he was acquitted. Bill Clinton was clearly guilty of perjury and obstruction of justice, but he was acquitted. Donald Trump is clearly guilty of violating Federal election laws and abusing his power by asking Ukraine to dig up dirt on his political opponent - but he won't be convicted either.

But, like all his predecessors, he will stand before the bar of history. When all the "fire and fury", to borrow a phrase, of the current political climate has faded, and the deeds of this President and the policies of his administration have played out and borne their fruit, a verdict will be reached.

I wish I could step a hundred years into the future and see what it is.

[Rev. Powell]

I don't get it. I don't even understand what hes accused of. not giving money to the ukraine? impeach all of them for giving our tax dollars to the ukraine in the first place

I'm sure you're kidding, but he's accused of conditioning the release of funds legally appropriated by Congress to Ukraine on their government announcing investigations into his political opponent in the upcoming elections. He's guilty, too, and should be removed from office (but won't be).

The fact that you believe foreign aid to Ukraine is bad policy is irrelevant to the question of whether the President abused his power. You can't impeach Congressmen for legally exercising their authority, just don't vote for them. You'd love my Congressman, he's exactly your type, no foreign or military aid ever to anyone for any reason.

[lester1/2jr]

I seriously doubt Trump was concerned enough about Biden as a candidate that he sought to dig up stuff on him. Trump is full of himself.

[Rev. Powell]

I seriously doubt Trump was concerned enough about Biden as a candidate that he sought to dig up stuff on him. Trump is full of himself.

So you do understand what Trump's accused of, you just believe he has some sort of legitimate reason for asking Zelenskiy to investigate Biden. I think that's a stretch. The point is moot because Republicans have more than the 1/3 minority they need and have already announced they're going to acquit him.

[lester1/2jr]

I thought the whole thing was about Russia? seems like a fishing expedition

[RCMerchant]

^ No, it sounds like "I got away with it once-let's try it again!"

[Rev. Powell]

I thought the whole thing was about Russia? seems like a fishing expedition

You must be joking, though I confess I don't really get it. Some other less informed people might be confused by your joke. The impeachment is about Trump's pressure on Ukraine. There was no fishing expedition, it was started by a government whistleblower. The current impeachment isn't related to the Mueller investigation.

Here are the actual articles themselves: https://judiciary.house.gov/sites/democrats.judiciary.house.gov/files/documents/Articles%20of%20Impeachment.pdf

[chefzombie]

i HOPE lester's joking...but i'm not betting a dime on it. he'd like my brother.

[Leah]

It's gotten to the point where I want to tie up both liberals and conservatives and burn them at the stake. BURN THEM ALL.

[RCMerchant]

^  

http://youtu.be/z6nr1PfDDh8

[lester1/2jr]

I just read he wikipedia about it. I hadn' been following it. So he thought there was some kind of interference in the 2016 election and Hunter Biden Joe's ne'r do well son was involved or something? THIS is what people think a president should be IMPEACHED for?

[Rev. Powell]

I just read he wikipedia about it. I hadn' been following it. So he thought there was some kind of interference in the 2016 election and Hunter Biden Joe's ne'r do well son was involved or something? THIS is what people think a president should be IMPEACHED for?

I explained it before. He's not being impeached for his suspicions, he's being impeached for conditioning the release of duly apportioned aid on a favor from a foreign government. I give up.