War with Iran

[Allhallowsday]

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Trump has to know he screwed up.... right?

We can hope he knows.

[Leah]

Trump has to know he screwed up.... right?

Knowing? Maybe. Acknowledging it? Not a chance

[lester1/2jr]

I'm hearing some interesting chatter regarding the downed 737.

the idea that the US or Iran would shoot down the plane seemed just too crazy to me. both sides were playing this careful chess match and the plane was full of civilians who had nothing to do with anything.

so I'm hearing speculation that somehow, i'm not a  plane expert, signals of the plane were jammed which not only made it so they couldn't call for help but aspects of one of the wings malfunctioned.

just talk for now

edit

...Not only fire on the climb, but exploded on the way down. It is not a mechanical catastrophic failure but it was believed of an intentionally electronic attack/jam to conceal a stealthy mission conducted by 6 f-35s faning low into IR airspace right after the attack.


By streets, the US f-35s based in saudi immediately conducted a EW after the attack and mistakenly/intentionally jammed the Ukrainian 737. The jam caused fire on the right wing fuel by a short circuit. The 2 pilots might get instantly disoriented from an electrical impact.

[niccolom]

The latest reporting from the Pentagon is that their satellites detected two missile launches followed by an explosion. The missiles were launched from a Russian built TOR-1M tracked missile carrier (there are photos of missile fragments taken near crash site). They are saying it was probably accidental.

This intelligence has been shared with the Canadian government (63 of those killed were Canadian) and the PM is supposed brief the press at any moment.

[lester1/2jr]

thats probably the more likely explanation

[Leah]

If it's mechanical/electrical then there's no need to jump onto WAR. Regarding the black boxes it's a head scratcher to those who are wondering why they aren't being sent to Boeing since it was a 737 that crashed. From what I could gather the Iranian's NTSB is looking it over, hopefully they'll cooperate with Canada's NTSB to see what caused it to go down.

[Alex]

With around 20 years of experience working on aircraft I'd go with either Iran shot it down accidently (their military would doubtless have been on high alert and maybe someone got nervous, mistook a radar contact and shot it down), or that it was a fault that caused it to crash. I haven't been following reports closely but if it was shot down, I'd expect to hear that there were signs of an explosion before the fire as the missile hit (ok, anti aircraft missiles don't actually hit their target, they just blow up near to it), maybe even sightings of a something flying towards it depending on the light levels. There could have been an onboard electronics failure that took out the comms, although these systems to have backups and they would have had multiple independent comms systems (there are instances of triple redundancy systems failing with odds of one in a billion) and don't easily fail.

It is a sad reflection on things that once I heard trump say it was shot down I automatically thought "Must have been a fault then."

Mind you, it wouldn't be the first time the US has shot down an airliner coming out of Tehran if that was what happened (I don't think thats likely in this case, but it can't be completely discounted at this stage either).

[Alex]

So it is looking like it was indeed shot down. I wonder why someone just happened to be filming there, but without seeing more of the video it is hard to get context. Thinking allowed today at work I said that I wonder how quickly a conspiracy theory would spread if someone made one up, like it was actually the Russian's who shot it down, looking to further destabilize relations between the west and Iran. My boss looked at me and said "That is surprisingly plausible."