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Started by Allhallowsday, April 28, 2020, 10:32:42 PM

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Allhallowsday

I watched the PBS documentary Inside The Vatican tonight (it's a few months old).  It reminded me of how much I admire POPE FRANCIS.  He's my hero. 
If you want to view paradise . . . simply look around and view it!

indianasmith

I have a close friend who has faithfully served our country for 20 years, often at great personal cost.
That's my hero.
"I shall smite you in the nostrils with a rod of iron, and wax your spleen with Efferdent!!"

Trevor

My Mom, definitely. Young at heart, active, lived through two horrible wars, the passing of two husbands and she raised me which was no walk in the park.

What does she say about this corona virus thing? "It's actually nothing, I've been through worse." :cheers:
We shall meet in the place where there is no darkness.

ER

Quote from: Allhallowsday on April 28, 2020, 10:32:42 PM
I watched the PBS documentary Inside The Vatican tonight (it's a few months old).  It reminded me of how much I admire POPE FRANCIS.  He's my hero. 


I just wish Pope Francis would turn Catholic.
What does not kill me makes me stranger.

Alex

Me. In fact, I am sitting here signing photos of myself with "To me, with frank admiration."
Hail to thyself
For I am my own master
I am my own god
I require no shepherd
For I am no sheep.

RCMerchant

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Quote from: Alex on April 29, 2020, 02:24:22 PM
Me. In fact, I am sitting here signing photos of myself with "To me, with frank admiration."

:bouncegiggle:

You kill me!

Do I have a living hero? I dunno...Bela Lugosi's dead...
All my hero's are dead. Crazy Horse, Geronimo, Franklin Roosevelt,...eh.

http://youtu.be/YtLlmrrCajA
Supernatural?...perhaps. Baloney?...Perhaps not!" Bela Lugosi-the BLACK CAT (1934)
Interviewer-"Does Dracula ever end for you?
Lugosi-"No. Dracula-never ends."
Slobber, Drool, Drip!
https://www.tumblr.com/ronmerchant

Allhallowsday

Quote from: ER on April 29, 2020, 01:03:06 PM
Quote from: Allhallowsday on April 28, 2020, 10:32:42 PM
I watched the PBS documentary Inside The Vatican tonight (it's a few months old).  It reminded me of how much I admire POPE FRANCIS.  He's my hero.  
I just wish Pope Francis would turn Catholic.

The man has incomprehensible humility.  Your comment is of the ilk of this Pope's critics, Italian, British, American.  Meanwhile, church attendance continues to dwindle.  POPE FRANCIS realizes the Church must change in order to survive, anyone who will not embrace positive change is an elitist.
If you want to view paradise . . . simply look around and view it!

RCMerchant

Supernatural?...perhaps. Baloney?...Perhaps not!" Bela Lugosi-the BLACK CAT (1934)
Interviewer-"Does Dracula ever end for you?
Lugosi-"No. Dracula-never ends."
Slobber, Drool, Drip!
https://www.tumblr.com/ronmerchant

Alex

Quote from: Allhallowsday on April 29, 2020, 02:40:10 PM
Quote from: ER on April 29, 2020, 01:03:06 PM
Quote from: Allhallowsday on April 28, 2020, 10:32:42 PM
I watched the PBS documentary Inside The Vatican tonight (it's a few months old).  It reminded me of how much I admire POPE FRANCIS.  He's my hero.  
I just wish Pope Francis would turn Catholic.

The man has incomprehensible humility.  Your comment is of the ilk of this Pope's critics, Italian, British, American.  Meanwhile, church attendance continues to dwindle.  POPE FRANCIS realizes the Church must change in order to survive, anyone who will not embrace positive change is an elitist.

I have to say I do like what I see of him. Seems to be what I think a christian should be.
Hail to thyself
For I am my own master
I am my own god
I require no shepherd
For I am no sheep.

Allhallowsday

If you want to view paradise . . . simply look around and view it!

ER

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Quote from: Allhallowsday on April 29, 2020, 02:40:10 PM
Quote from: ER on April 29, 2020, 01:03:06 PM
Quote from: Allhallowsday on April 28, 2020, 10:32:42 PM
I watched the PBS documentary Inside The Vatican tonight (it's a few months old).  It reminded me of how much I admire POPE FRANCIS.  He's my hero.  
I just wish Pope Francis would turn Catholic.

The man has incomprehensible humility.  Your comment is of the ilk of this Pope's critics, Italian, British, American.  Meanwhile, church attendance continues to dwindle.  POPE FRANCIS realizes the Church must change in order to survive, anyone who will not embrace positive change is an elitist.

Humility alone is not a defense against criticism, nor is it a Christian's job to change to suit the opinions of the world; it is a Christian's duty to hold to Jesus' truth no matter what the world may want. There is a common misconception that Jesus did not judge others, when in fact Jesus most definitely did take strong stands against popular positions, and absolutely did tell people when they were doing wrong. Knowing someone is doing wrong does not release a Christian from his obligation to show kindness and charity toward a person or even toward an entire world, but a Christian is never free to follow another path just because society has made that path more popular. It takes tremendous courage to be a Christian.




And while I'm at it....

"I would say Michael Collins."

https://phys.org/news/2019-07-apollo-astronauts-pad-years.html

Oh, THAT Michael Collins! You scared me for a second, RC, I thought you meant Michael Collins the Irish terrorist, and I was going to point out that he's dead. Shows where my mind rests.  :question:
What does not kill me makes me stranger.

Allhallowsday

Quote from: ER on April 30, 2020, 08:53:24 AM
...Humility alone is not a defense against criticism, nor is it a Christian's job to change to suit the opinions of the world; it is a Christian's duty to hold to Jesus' truth no matter what the world may want. There is a common misconception that Jesus did not judge others, when in fact Jesus most definitely did take strong stands against popular positions, and absolutely did tell people when they were doing wrong. Knowing someone is doing wrong does not release a Christian from his obligation to show kindness and charity toward a person or even toward an entire world, but a Christian is never free to follow another path just because society has made that path more popular. It takes tremendous courage to be a Christian.
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Who needs to be defended against criticism?  Who defended Jesus? 
I believe the Christian's job is humility, charity, forgiveness and love.  Change is inevitable, adaptation is necessary.  POPE FRANCIS is not changing the truth, but an interpretation of practice. 
I see nothing anti-Catholic in POPE FRANCIS' actions.  I see the fulfillment of high Christian ideals.  You've got a flip-flop going on there, too ("Knowing someone is doing wrong does not release a Christian from his obligation to show kindness and charity...)  You know the Church needs to adapt.  You are obfuscating again, a practice popular in the USA these days. 
If you want to view paradise . . . simply look around and view it!

ER

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Quote from: Allhallowsday on April 30, 2020, 12:53:54 PM
Quote from: ER on April 30, 2020, 08:53:24 AM
...Humility alone is not a defense against criticism, nor is it a Christian's job to change to suit the opinions of the world; it is a Christian's duty to hold to Jesus' truth no matter what the world may want. There is a common misconception that Jesus did not judge others, when in fact Jesus most definitely did take strong stands against popular positions, and absolutely did tell people when they were doing wrong. Knowing someone is doing wrong does not release a Christian from his obligation to show kindness and charity toward a person or even toward an entire world, but a Christian is never free to follow another path just because society has made that path more popular. It takes tremendous courage to be a Christian.
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Who needs to be defended against criticism?  Who defended Jesus?  
I believe the Christian's job is humility, charity, forgiveness and love.  Change is inevitable, adaptation is necessary.  POPE FRANCIS is not changing the truth, but an interpretation of practice.  
I see nothing anti-Catholic in POPE FRANCIS' actions.  I see the fulfillment of high Christian ideals.  You've got a flip-flop going on there, too ("Knowing someone is doing wrong does not release a Christian from his obligation to show kindness and charity...)  You know the Church needs to adapt.  You are obfuscating again, a practice popular in the USA these days.  

John, sincere question. You ever been tested for autism? I've long thought that about you, not the least of which when something can be plainly stated and it eludes you to the point you refer to it as obfuscated.

Read some Chesterton sometime on the subject of the immutability of truth.

One doctrine of Church teaching clarified in the Counter Reformation is that a Pope's authority does not exceed Church doctrine, this was codified under Paul IV in the 16th century, and reiterated at the First Vatican Council in the 1870s. Should a Pope espouse heresy he loses office. (This is known as sedvacatism, or "empty chair".) I will not go as far as to say Francis has espoused heresy (many do) but I will say there are limits to the changes any Pope may bring about.

(I had to take a semester of Canon Law in high school taught by a Jesuit canon lawyer who studied in Rome. I got an A, by the way, and since I once learned it, being me and being afflicted by parahyperthymesia, I cannot unlearn it or forget it.)

Pope Francis is a kind man, much in the way Jimmy Carter was a kind President, but there are limits to his powers, and even should these changes be ex-cathedra, and endorsed by the College of Cardinals, they can still be heretical and not infallible.

I don't have a dog in the fight, despite my taking up this subject, but the laws of the Catholic Church fascinate me.

And I do wish you'd quit saying something is "obfuscated" just because your mind won't comprehend it.
What does not kill me makes me stranger.

Allhallowsday

Quote from: ER on April 30, 2020, 12:55:25 PM
John, sincere question. You ever been tested for autism? I've long thought that about you, not the least of which when something can be plainly stated and it eludes you to the point you refer to it as obfuscated.
You would not want to know what I've "long thought" about you, except you debate like a bully. 

Quote from: ER on April 30, 2020, 12:55:25 PM
Read some Chesterton sometime on the subject of the immutability of truth.
One doctrine of Church teaching clarified in the Counter Reformation is that a Pope's authority does not exceed Church doctrine, this was codified under Paul IV in the 16th century, and reiterated at the First Vatican Council in the 1870s. Should a Pope espouse heresy he loses office. (This is known as sedvacatism, or "empty chair".) I will not go as far as to say Francis has espoused heresy (many do) but I will say there are limits to the changes any Pope may bring about.
...And I do wish you'd quit saying something is "obfuscated" just because your mind won't comprehend it.

I assert "obfuscation" because that is exactly what you've done.  I am not going to assert my ability to learn and understand as you do, I have self confidence.  It is not necessary for me to reach for insults in a debate; one only does that with doubts. 
If you want to view paradise . . . simply look around and view it!

lester1/2jr

this made me think of " We need a living passion, to believe in..." David Hasselhoff song