Patriotism:right or wrong?

[Eirik]

"A goal determines what is right and wrong."

Yes, as the late Dr. Mengele was fond of saying, "You can't make an omlette without killing a few million people."

Scott, you're either the funniest guy on the board, or the scariest.

[Mr. Hockstatter]

To think such or turn a blind eye is to be part of the problem already.

No, to think that agent orange is the equivalent of Saddam Hussein is to be brainwashed by the political spinmeisters to the point where you can no longer diferentiate between reality and fantasy.  Such arguments simply have no merit because they're based in delusion.

The whole complaint about how we were friends with Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war, and later became enemies, is equally as obtuse.  We were allies of the Soviet Union during WWII, and then enemies during the Cold War, and are now friends again.  We went to war against Britain in the Revolutionary War, and have been friends ever since.  Germany and France didn't get along so well back in the early '40s, and now they're friends.  To point out an example of the ordinary and hold it up as an exception is a calculated lie.

I have very mixed feelings about the whole war, and I'm willing to listen to people's opinions on the subject.  But that doesn't mean that I'm going to listen to utter nonsense and quietly nod my head in agreement.  People who do that are "part of the problem".

[smengie]

Jesus, your little speeches sound like they were made by the postmodernist essay generator. I don't know if your joking or what...

Anyway, I never bother to listen to anyone who's going to assert they'res no such thing as good/evil or that it's all relative. First off, they're 99.9 percent of the time full of s**t because ten minutes later they'll be deriding the evil/immoral actions of such and such group for endangering the humpbacked spotted dodo bird or whatever their cause du jour is.

Second, ayone that's likely to declaim the existence of evil likely has their own personal reasons. "Beware of the man that says that there are no honest people, for he is most surely a knave."

[Scott]

Life is friction. To move left or right is to cause friction, but during different time periods in history we have aloud different thresholds of pain and therefore evil.  I'm not going to call either of you a knave because of your lack of knowledge, but am always willing to reveal truth when the time is right.

Only the goal is good. Both falsehood and truth are illusions from outside the goal. The goal judges all the actions of man. To know the goal is to know what is means to be beyond good and evil. If you are doin good you can not do evil.

There is no evil within the goal.

[odinn7]

Um...yes...sure...

[smengie]

OK now I know your just f**king around.