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Started by ER, September 30, 2021, 01:18:27 PM

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Trevor

We shall meet in the place where there is no darkness.

Alex

I have just upset some Lord of the Rings fans by asking a simple question, and no it didn't involve eagles.

I just asked "So why were they so worried about Sauron getting the ring? It isn't like he could have put it on."
Hail to thyself
For I am my own master
I am my own god
I require no shepherd
For I am no sheep.

LilCerberus

Quote from: Alex on July 19, 2022, 10:30:50 AM
I have just upset some Lord of the Rings fans by asking a simple question, and no it didn't involve eagles.

I just asked "So why were they so worried about Sauron getting the ring? It isn't like he could have put it on."
:bouncegiggle: Great, now I'm gonna be thinking about that!  :bouncegiggle:
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ER

Quote from: Alex on July 19, 2022, 10:30:50 AM
I have just upset some Lord of the Rings fans by asking a simple question, and no it didn't involve eagles.

I just asked "So why were they so worried about Sauron getting the ring? It isn't like he could have put it on."
Oh....that's....brilliant.
What does not kill me makes me stranger.

Rev. Powell

Quote from: Alex on July 19, 2022, 10:30:50 AM
I have just upset some Lord of the Rings fans by asking a simple question, and no it didn't involve eagles.

I just asked "So why were they so worried about Sauron getting the ring? It isn't like he could have put it on."

I'm not an LotR geek, but wasn't Sauron more worried about someone using the ring against him than wanting to use it himself?
I'll take you places the hand of man has not yet set foot...

ER

Quote from: Rev. Powell on July 19, 2022, 12:06:08 PM
Quote from: Alex on July 19, 2022, 10:30:50 AM
I have just upset some Lord of the Rings fans by asking a simple question, and no it didn't involve eagles.

I just asked "So why were they so worried about Sauron getting the ring? It isn't like he could have put it on."

I'm not an LotR geek, but wasn't Sauron more worried about someone using the ring against him than wanting to use it himself?

I think it was so infused with his power that with it he considered he would be unstoppable. At least that's always been my understanding. The ring sought its master, so I don't think it would have contributed greatly to someone else.
What does not kill me makes me stranger.

Rev. Powell

Quote from: ER on July 19, 2022, 12:12:57 PM
Quote from: Rev. Powell on July 19, 2022, 12:06:08 PM
Quote from: Alex on July 19, 2022, 10:30:50 AM
I have just upset some Lord of the Rings fans by asking a simple question, and no it didn't involve eagles.

I just asked "So why were they so worried about Sauron getting the ring? It isn't like he could have put it on."

I'm not an LotR geek, but wasn't Sauron more worried about someone using the ring against him than wanting to use it himself?

I think it was so infused with his power that with it he considered he would be unstoppable. At least that's always been my understanding. The ring sought its master, so I don't think it would have contributed greatly to someone else.

I seem to remember Gandalf and others refusing to even touch the ring because they knew it would both make them more powerful and corrupt them---i.e. make them rivals to Sauron.
I'll take you places the hand of man has not yet set foot...

Alex

I could be wrong but I think when Sauron created the ring, he permanently poured some of his own power into it, weakening himself but gaining the means to achieve a greater power by controlling the lesser rings. When he lost the ring, he also lost all the magical might he had put into it and was (literally) left as a shadow of his former self.

While I've read The Hobbit and LotR, I am not a massive Tolkien geek though and I could be wrong.
Hail to thyself
For I am my own master
I am my own god
I require no shepherd
For I am no sheep.

ER

Dang, we need indy to make a ruling here. He's read LOTR about sixty times. Or wait, let's go to the source. Anybody got a Ouija board?
What does not kill me makes me stranger.

Trevor

We shall meet in the place where there is no darkness.

indianasmith

Sauron didn't need to physically wear the ring, merely to be in possession of it.
Although, if its power had been returned to him, he would have been more than able to transform himself back into an anthropomorphic shape.
His choosing the "eye" as his physical form was not a permanent state of affairs.
"I shall smite you in the nostrils with a rod of iron, and wax your spleen with Efferdent!!"

Allhallowsday

I loved that first LORD OF THE RINGS film.  The others just slid downhill for me.
If you want to view paradise . . . simply look around and view it!

indianasmith

Quote from: Allhallowsday on July 19, 2022, 03:39:10 PM
I loved that first LORD OF THE RINGS film.  The others just slid downhill for me.

Films were a decent adaptation, but the books are ALWAYS better.
ALWAYS.
"I shall smite you in the nostrils with a rod of iron, and wax your spleen with Efferdent!!"

ER

Quote from: Allhallowsday on July 19, 2022, 03:39:10 PM
I loved that first LORD OF THE RINGS film.  The others just slid downhill for me.

I had the opposite experience. I loved the first two films, but remember thinking The Return of the King was the best of the three. (The reverse of my preference in the books, which I like in order.)
What does not kill me makes me stranger.

Alex

I really wanted them to put in the Barrow Wight scene, although I didn't care for the Tom Bombadil bit straight after.
Hail to thyself
For I am my own master
I am my own god
I require no shepherd
For I am no sheep.