The Unsaid Context of the Ukraine Conflict

[ralfy]

Hmm, good point. Judging from the contents of my spam email folder, there are a lot of Ukrainian women out there wanting men. Perhaps Russia should just check its email folder more often?

In reference to that, and interestingly enough to the topic thread, we have this:

"Ukrainian President Zelensky's Wife Goes to Paris and Begs for Money and Goods Then Reportedly Goes on 40,000 Euro Shopping Spree"

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/12/ukrainian-president-zelenskys-wife-goes-paris-begs-money-goods-reportedly-goes-40000-euro-shopping-spree/

That might also explain why Europeans and even Americans are going nuts: billions are going to corrupt Ukrainian officials while they're facing combinations of high prices and even homelessness. Some of the latter even asked Biden for $12 billion to counter childhood poverty in the states and that was not approved.

And all that's taking place amidst multiple audit failures for most Pentagon agencies, defense industries achieving healthy sales, and as the article also shares, more points about Hunter's laptop and deals made with Ukrainian and even Chinese businessmen.

[ralfy]

...The reason why it's "long-winded" is because the issue is complex.

No, it's you. 

Try "No, you."

Feel free to counter my arguments anytime. Let's start with Kennan: any thoughts about what he said about containment and encirclement of the Soviets and later Russia? Some argue that it needs fact-checking.

[ralfy]

Hmm, good point. Judging from the contents of my spam email folder, there are a lot of Ukrainian women out there wanting men. Perhaps Russia should just check its email folder more often?

Yes! That's exactly true. Putin telling his soldiers they'll be greeted by Ukrainian women desiring them and children giving them candy for liberating them has motivated basically every Russian soldier, but if Russians had the internet ---I checked and they don't---they'd have found out Ukrainian women were available for marriage and Ukrainian candy is available on Amazon. It's a tragedy of miscommunication.

You're always free to share the evidence concerning that. For now, I think given Putin's high approval ratings and news about the Russian economy that mainstream media do not want to report, then I can only guess that there are other reasons why the war continues.

As for Ukrainians, I'd look at this in light of funds provided by the U.S. The CFR (good grief, I just referred to the CFR; LOL) breaks it down this way:

https://www.cfr.org/article/how-much-aid-has-us-sent-ukraine-here-are-six-charts

[ralfy]

Hmm, good point. Judging from the contents of my spam email folder, there are a lot of Ukrainian women out there wanting men. Perhaps Russia should just check its email folder more often?

Yes! That's exactly true. Putin telling his soldiers they'll be greeted by Ukrainian women desiring them and children giving them candy for liberating them has motivated basically every Russian soldier, but if Russians had the internet ---I checked and they don't---they'd have found out Ukrainian women were available for marriage and Ukrainian candy is available on Amazon. It's a tragedy of miscommunication.

Miscommunication or interference from the (evil obviously) American Neo(n) Genesis Evangelion?

More like control of mass and even social media by the rich:

https://www.businessinsider.com/these-6-corporations-control-90-of-the-media-in-america-2012-6

That's why most people are ignoramuses concerning the context of this conflict.

[ralfy]

Hmm, good point. Judging from the contents of my spam email folder, there are a lot of Ukrainian women out there wanting men. Perhaps Russia should just check its email folder more often?

I checked both my Hotmail and Gmail addresses: no emails from those ladies 

For all you know, they might be transgenders.

FWIW, though, this topic is actually part of the context: one of the reasons Ukrainians had to whore themselves is because their economy started falling apart:

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?locations=UA-RU

And I think the issue has to do with neoliberalism that started during the mid-2000s. That is, the EU encouraged them to break from Russia and to trade only with Europe, and to basically de-industrialize while Hunter and his pals acted as middle men between Ukrainian oligarchs and U.S. counterparts. Meanwhile, U.S. elected officials met with corrupt pro-U.S. Ukrainian officals as part of regime change, with appointed ones like Nulan try to make sure that the U.S. muscles in against even the EU (hence, her statement about "F*ck the EU").

With Twitter Files, I think we will find even more in the near future.

[ralfy]

Lol, I'll forward some to you if you really want, but personally, I would not trust the links enough to click on them.

Never click on such links, no matter how desperate you guys are. LOL. But why do you have so much energy to talk about spam from Ukrainian women but can't address the issues of this thread?

[ralfy]

It's the CIA. Everybody knows how evil those conniving sunsabritches are. They should every one of them be stood against a wall and shot twice.

FWIW, the same CIA actually backs your views concerning this topic, i.e., I'm assuming that your arguments run contrary to mine. In which case, it's illogical for you to find them offensive.

For clarity, the CIA is supposed to be an intelligence agency, but as I pointed out in earlier posts, it acts as destabilizing one. For example, it might be the main funder or groups like the NED, which in tun contributes to "NGOs" that are responsible for various color revolutions, including regime change in Ukraine. That's also why countries like Thailand recently restricted them.

[ralfy]

Remember, we are only doing this because we can't counter his arguments tho. 

For once, you're being truthful.

[ralfy]

I haven't read any of Ralfys posts in this thread but I agree with all of them

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/3781964-final-funding-bill-includes-45b-for-ukraine/

that makes 100 Billion in the last ten months

Thanks. I think there's a connection between that and the military industrial complex, which Eisenhower warned about way back in the early 1960s:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyZoUfNsUl8

Meanwhile, Biden is struggling by pointing out that he has a major plan to deal with homelessness in the U.S., but I don't know where he's going to get more funding. Perhaps he will increase taxes because the country already has too much debt, and mathematically impossible to pay back.

One other point involves childhood poverty, and the cost to combat that is around $12 billion. But more is going to Zelensky.

[ralfy]

You haven't read them but you agree with them? Yogi Berra is alive and well in Boston!

That's because the points have basically been the same, and stem from the previous thread:

- the military industrial complex;

- from containment to encirclement, and backed by two ideologies: neoconservatism and neoliberalism;

- both needed to protect the dollar used as a reserve currency worldwide, but threatened by countries that are growing stronger economically: Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa, and around 34 other countries, including Ukraine;

- how war is used to make that complex rich, and also serves as an avenue for money laundering, where corrupt U.S. and Ukrainian officials get their cuts and deals are made by businessmen from both countries;

and so on.

I think even the recent FTX scandal is part of this.

There are more, like FBI collusion with Twitter and the CIA as part of color revolutions, but I'm sure you'r aware of that.

Or not?

[ralfy]

Another idea that's related is that of the liberal hawk:

"Caitlin Johnstone: Ukraine & the Triumph of Militarism"

https://consortiumnews.com/2022/09/08/caitlin-johnstone-ukraine-the-triumph-of-militarism/

What he is saying about liberals who once protested the Iraq invasion now supporting U.S. proxy warfare in Ukraine is broadly true, including throughout the Bernie Sanders/AOC "progressive" wing of the Democratic Party.

It's just a fact that in 2022, liberals are gaga for U.S. interventionism. Because this war can be (falsely) marketed as an "unprovoked" invasion by evil Bad Guys fighting against the virtuous Good Guys of the U.S./NATO/Ukraine partnership, and because it's not our sons and daughters getting thrown into the gears of war, people who would normally be more skeptical of militarism and interventionism have indeed jumped aboard the proxy war train.

From what I remember, the term stemmed from the Vietnam war, where liberals who felt useless decided to follow neoconservative beliefs of intervention because they saw connections between free markets and liberal democracy. In short, like neocons, they believed that the U.S. has to intervene in order to free foreigners from tyranny. However, that freedom entailed regime change and setting up U.S. puppets because foreigners didn't welcome U.S.-style democracy and economic policies.

See the connection with my previous points? Kennan gave the same warnings: Russians and even Ukrainians have different cultures, and by forcing on to them Western ideologies more crises will take place. And that's exactly what happened: Ukraine was manipulated by the U.S., and Russia reacted.

This puts the "Russian empire" narrative, which is also part of neconservative views (recall Reagan's "evil empire" speech), into question.

[ralfy]

Finally, some related news: the EU gets hit hard while the war machine is in full swing.

"EU Gets Hit With $1 Trillion Energy Bill As Supply From Russia Halted Due To War"

https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/europe/eu-gets-hit-with-1-dollars-trillion-energy-bill-as-supply-from-russia-halted-due-to-war-articleshow.html

"US Weapons Makers Set to Profit as Japan Readies $320 Billion Military Buildup"

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/12/16/us-weapons-makers-set-profit-japan-readies-320-billion-military-buildup

[lester1/2jr]

ER- the point is they are obviously gonna be anti this war and I agree with that.


one funny thing about the massive spending bill is it includes a provision that bans funds being used for the Azov battalion.






This is basically and America/ NATO war with Ukrainian mercenaries

[Alex]

I haven't read any of Ralfys posts in this thread but I agree with all of them

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/3781964-final-funding-bill-includes-45b-for-ukraine/

that makes 100 Billion in the last ten months

Dude, not reading his posts is hardly a ringing endorsement. Can't say I blame you though. His habit of making up things that were never said was enough to put me off actually bothering to read most of his stuff or take him seriously.

[Alex]

Remember, we are only doing this because we can't counter his arguments tho.  

For once, you're being truthful.

Yes gosh darn it you are just too smart for all of us and it has nothing to do with you just making up stuff that hasn't been said at all.   If you want people to address your points and stick to the topic, maybe you should have tried responding to what was really said rather than making stuff up. You had no problem wandering off-topic when it suited you on the parent thread. Why should you now be treated any differently in return?