The Unsaid Context of the Ukraine Conflict

[Alex]

ER, if you want something from Ukraine that is non-sweet based, I can recommend this seller.

https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/837918395/spider-hair-clip-festival-accessories?ref=yr_purchases

Bought one for Kristi last year.

[ralfy]

ER- the point is they are obviously gonna be anti this war and I agree with that.


one funny thing about the massive spending bill is it includes a provision that bans funds being used for the Azov battalion.






This is basically and America/ NATO war with Ukrainian mercenaries

The U.S. has been using Europe and other countries to encircle Russia and China but can't because the two have been growing economically, together with 38 other countries.

Reminds me of that saying: when all you have is a hammer, then everything starts looking like a nail.

Meanwhile,

"France's Macron Calls on Europe to Reduce Reliance on U.S. for Security "

https://www.wsj.com/articles/macron-renews-call-for-russia-to-receive-security-guarantees-to-end-war-in-ukraine-11671627645

Mr. Macron's outreach to Mr. Putin has been a source of tension with Ukraine and its allies since the early months of the conflict when he regularly held phone calls with the Russian leader. Eastern European leaders accused Mr. Macron of appeasing Moscow after he warned earlier this year against humiliating Russia.

"All the Europeans and Westerners giving me moral lessons should explain to me who's going to be around the negotiating table," Mr. Macron said Wednesday. "As for me, I don't want it to be the Chinese and the Turks alone negotiating over what's to come."

[ralfy]

Dude, not reading his posts is hardly a ringing endorsement. Can't say I blame you though. His habit of making up things that were never said was enough to put me off actually bothering to read most of his stuff or take him seriously.

From you, that's a ringing endorsement for the values of ignorant bliss. Can't say I blame you, though. Your habit of not bothering to prove yourself shows that you can't be taken seriously.

That's why you spend more time talking about me or yourself instead of addressing my arguments.

[ralfy]

Yes gosh darn it you are just too smart for all of us and it has nothing to do with you just making up stuff that hasn't been said at all.   If you want people to address your points and stick to the topic, maybe you should have tried responding to what was really said rather than making stuff up. You had no problem wandering off-topic when it suited you on the parent thread. Why should you now be treated any differently in return?

The problem isn't that I'm too smart for you. It's that you lack basic knowledge concerning this issue. That's why you're beating around the bush.

[ralfy]

ER, if you want something from Ukraine that is non-sweet based, I can recommend this seller.

https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/837918395/spider-hair-clip-festival-accessories?ref=yr_purchases

Bought one for Kristi last year.

See what I mean? You can't counter the main arguments that I raise, so you end up trolling. Pathetic.

[ralfy]

In light of neoconservatism and Ukraine, a montage from Turncoat Don, shared with no commentary because it speaks for itself:

"The recipe for the collapse of an empire"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpEcyi_drCM

Also, raw videos from Max Blumenthal Zelensky's recent visit:

Caught up w/ the Ukrainian diaspora delegation on their way into the Capitol to cheer for Zelensky

They told me $45 billion wasn't enough, neo-Nazis do not exist in Ukraine and the banning of the Russian wing of the Orthodox Church & oppo parties was justified bc "martial law"

https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1605737488462520328

From Sarah Abdallah, needs to be fact-checked by experts calling for us to "broaden [our] sources":

https://twitter.com/sahouraxo/status/1599798637847904257

Also,

https://twitter.com/sahouraxo/status/1598395441271504960

"If wars can be started by lies, peace can be started by truth." —Julian Assange

https://twitter.com/sahouraxo/status/1599082545635000320

Mike Gravel calling Biden, Obama and Hillary Clinton warmongers right to their faces in 2008. Still a classic

https://twitter.com/sahouraxo/status/1595128571085090816

[ralfy]

Some more, from Ben Norton:

Even war criminal Hillary Clinton, queen of imperialist "humanitarian intervention," admitted it was the US and its allies who created al-Qaeda & the Taliban. And she still justified it as the price of trying to destroy the USSR

But propagandists are now blaming the victim. Vile

https://twitter.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1189994220704141312

"[T]his, while they pose as paragons of human rights and international law."

https://twitter.com/sahouraxo/status/1601279301118177280

From Jimmy Dore: you're suffering not because of Russia but because you keep voting for criminals like Joe Biden and Donald Trump

https://twitter.com/thatdayin1992/status/1604811991981428736

From Clare Daly:

In modern war the only winner is global capital. Ordinary people always lose. Remember that next time there's talk about peace being "treason."

https://twitter.com/ClareDalyMEP/status/1604741051704549376

[ralfy]

"'Nearly Every War Has Been The Result Of Media Lies': Julian Assange, State-Corporate Media And Ukraine"

https://www.medialens.org/2022/nearly-every-war-has-been-the-result-of-media-lies-julian-assange-state-corporate-media-and-ukraine/

The Guardian recently joined with the New York Times, Le Monde, El País and Der Spiegel in publishing an open letter calling on US President Joe Biden to end Assange's prosecution. It has been ten years since Assange sought refuge in London's Ecuadorian embassy.

Here's the irony: the same outlets have been shilling for war against the "enemies" of the West!

https://twitter.com/Juan94827382/status/1604226168206630912

[ralfy]

A provocative montage from Black Russian TV, about Bush and Iraq.

https://twitter.com/Blackrussiantv/status/1604268377656238084

The context is that aggression towards Russia started with the same guy, if not with Clinton.

Long after that,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eH3QqcUJnBY

Notice that the same narrative is given, e.g., Russian elections are rigged, etc. Ironically, that's how the U.S. ensured regime change in Ukraine.

[ralfy]

Related:

"Congress Just Passed $858 Billion Military Budget, But GOP Is Blocking $12 Billion to Fight Child Poverty"

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/12/17/congress-just-passed-858-billion-military-budget-gop-blocking-12-billion-fight-child

A short point from Meyssan:

"Volodymyr Zelensky and ethnopolitics"

https://www.voltairenet.org/article218518.html

President Zelensky has just been named by Time magazine "politician of the year 2022". It is not to have realized his coup de force of July, in favor of the war. He had all the political parties that opposed him banned; assassinated the personalities who resisted him; controlled all the media, written, audiovisual and internet; banned the Russian language; destroyed 100 million books; confiscated many of the assets of the oligarchs, including the one who personally financed him; nationalized the assets of Russian investors and companies; and finally banned the Orthodox Church.

"U.S. Asks More Nations to Become Targets of Russian and Chinese Missiles"

https://dissidentvoice.org/2022/12/u-s-asks-more-nations-to-become-targets-of-russian-and-chinese-missiles/

These Governments "in both Europe and the Indo-Pacific region" are close enough to Russia, and to China, so that if the United States goes to war against Russia and/or China directly (instead of, as now, indirectly — such as it does in both Ukraine on Russia's border, and Taiwan on China's border) to conquer Russia and/or China, then those missiles, which will be targeted against one or both of those two countries, will be within range of either Moscow or else Beijing, and will, therefore, become assets adding to America's likelihood of entirely controlling a post-WW-III world. Largely because military weapons are, in the U.S. and its 'allied' countries, controlled by private investors (basically by U.S.-and-allied billionaires), the U.S. Government's main objective is to control a post-WW-III world. In other words: that Government's main objective is aggression (defense is actually only secondary). By contrast, in both Russia and China, the entire militaries are designed and function solely for the purpose of national defense, which means preventing, instead of winning, a WW III. In both Russia and China, the ONLY objective of the military, and the MAIN objective of all OTHER policies, is, in fact, defense of the nation. In the U.S. and its 'allied' nations, the MAIN objective of the entire Government is expansion of the U.S. empire for it to control ultimately every nation — which means the conquest of every nation that isn't already part of it. Whereas the top objective of the U.S. Government is imperial — not to prevent but to win a WW III — the top objective of its targeted nations (or 'enemies') is instead national (actually to prevent a WW III). And this explains the respective foreign (including military and diplomatic) policies, on each of the two sides: imperialistic versus anti-imperialistic. That is how to interpret and understand each side: it is the difference in perspective — that of the predator (on America's side), versus that of its prey (on the side of the predator's intended victims).

[ER]

Hey look, a glue truck!

[ralfy]

Part of the unsaid context of this conflict:

"War Criminal George W. Bush Is Back Promoting a Senseless Proxy War"

https://www.antiwar.com/blog/2022/11/21/war-criminal-george-w-bush-is-back-promoting-a-senseless-proxy-war/

One would think George W. Bush, having gotten hundreds of thousands of Afghans and Iraqis killed in his 2001 and 2003 criminal wars there, would exit the perpetual war arena.

But this week he's back at it, meeting with Ukraine Zelensky at the George W. Bush Presidential Center in Dallas. He will be advocating more endless billions in weapons to Ukraine which will exceed $100 billion with the upcoming $37 billion giveaway the Lame Duck Congress will pass by year end.

From Gregory Hayes:

Neocon John McCain was also all over supporting a far right coup and amplifying conflict in Ukraine before he died. We essentially created this entire mess.

https://twitter.com/sync0mm/status/1604836793605828608

From DoctorGerhard:

A more detailed map has turned up, to correct past blunders during the creation of Ukraine.

Look at those little areas that Romania should get back.

https://twitter.com/DoctorGerhard/status/1604240581181538308

Likely in reference to points by Kost Bondarenko.

https://asd.news/news/ukraina-ne-v-sostoyanii-uderzhat-territorialnoe-nasledie-sssr/

[Allhallowsday]

...The reason why it's "long-winded" is because the issue is complex.

No, it's you. 

Try "No, you..."

No,  it is you.  Don't.  Do not. 

[ER]

ER, if you want something from Ukraine that is non-sweet based, I can recommend this seller.

https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/837918395/spider-hair-clip-festival-accessories?ref=yr_purchases

Bought one for Kristi last year.

Awwww, those are so precious! Must have one someday to wear to my class reunion or my psychologists'. Darling!

Bet they sold even better than Penny Blossoms.

[ER]

Did you guys see the latest Premier League standings, by the way? I'd be keeping my eye on Tottenham if I were Newcastle.

https://www.google.com/search?q=premeri+league+standings&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS814US814&oq=premeri+league+standings&aqs=chrome..69i57j0i10i433i512j69i65l2j69i60j69i65j69i60j69i61.3017j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#sie=lg;/g/11pz7zbpnb;2;/m/02_tc;st;fp;1;;;