f**k!

[Dunners]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040912/ap_on_re_as/nkorea_explosion&e=1&ncid=

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If anyone wants proof that the world is in deeper s**t than expected here it is. This worries me a hell of a lot.

[daveblackeye15]

"f**k" is one of the correct words to use for this.

[Ash]

Dude...I must be psychic or something.
I had just finished reading that very same article and then I clicked the link to go here.

The North Korean Communists are the only REALLY SERIOUS threat next to al-Qaeda.
I view the N. Korean govt. as dangerous & poisonous insects that must be quickly killed lest they sting you and inject their deadly venom.
Better that they do it to themselves rather than to us.
I hope that explosion occured in a place where many hardcore USA /successful Western Nation hating Communists were stationed.

Someone recently mentioned having to saw off a gangrenous limb in order to save the whole. (on my Chechen School Standoff thread)
N. Korea is such a limb.
Many others might label N. Korea's government a form of global cancer that must be irradiated at once to save the patient's (earth) life.

That regime WILL fall eventually.
They must realize that Communism does NOT work and their government will eventually be overthrown or will crumble from within

Hopefully from within.



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[wickednick]

Well if anyone wants to start taking bets on what country we are going to be at war with next I'd put my money on North Korea. Thing is that a war with North Korea would probably delve us into anouther world war, because Im sure there communist buddys China and Vietnam would want to join into the fight.

[peter johnson]

Maybe not --
North Korea is so weirdly "out-there" that even China and Vietnam are put-off by them.
Really, if they do set anything off in either the South or in Japan, they would meet a very quick end from the numerous submarines we have off their coast.
I think Syria or possibly Iran will be our next ground-invasion target.  Or the Pakistani border/tribal area, especially if the current government collapses.
Meanwhile, we can watch the Kim Jung Il show on MAD tv . . .
peter johnson/denny crane

[Dunners]

I think the US needs to have a secret metting with the UN leaders, get what support they can and do a sting attack involcing a couple hundred missles targetting as many military area's as possible, including where Kim Jong Il's psycho regime is.

No one should be informed of this until its happened/all over.

[dean]

Just because they are communist doesn't mean all the other communist countries are just going to jump to their aid.  China, for example, would only back North Korea if it had a really really good reason.

Oh, and Communism doesn't work? It only doesn't because human nature doesn't allow it to work.  China, whilst a pretty s**tty regime, is surviving pretty well on it; they certainly haven't got it easy, but they are growing financially at a very high rate.  It's kinda scary.

Oh yes, and f**k...

[Dunners]

Well the US government has stated that it was not a nuclear explosion but its still  pretty scary news.

[Dave Munger]

Yeah, that's the trippy part of the story to me, they keep saying it's not that without saying what it could be. An asteroid? One of those aerosol thingies? A huge pile of TNT going off?

[Brother Ragnarok]

[Arch Hall Jr]Oh poopy.  Oh double poopy.[/Arch Hall Jr]

I like how they say "They couldn't do any testing without losing a lot of their own people.  Like Lil' Kim REALLY FREAKIN' CARES!  But as small as that country is, it would be kinda like setting off a daisy cutter in your garage, wouldn't it?

[Neville]

Certainly something to worry about. While I think some of the things said here (like the limb that must be amputated) are too over the top there is no doubt that Noth Korea is a serious threat to the rest of the world. If George II hadn't been so obsessed with Irak (where are those mass destruction weapons?) we could have done something about it, but now the US (and UN depends too much on US troops for military operations) are wasting their efforts in a two front war which still has to produce real results. OK, so the Talibans and Saddam are out of power, good, but what have we replaced them with? Two pro-western governments so weak that they won't last a year if US troops pull off.

About the Communism not working, it's not my favourite type of government at all, but China and Vietnam are two examples of Communism (if quite altered) working fine.  Not that that makes it fair, though.

[ulthar]

I agree...China and Vietnam are at least in part trying to play with the rest of us.  After all we do a LOT of trade with China.  Who knows, maybe all that $$ coming into their country will help sway their opinion.

[Neville]

I did some history lessons a while ago and there's this historian, Pierre Vilar. He understands History as a neverending class struggle that creates progress (I guess that's why they call this current "Marxist History"). If his theory works, China is on the way to change, because sooner of later those who are obtaining benefit from China's approach to Capitalism will try to gain power in order to consolidate their position. With more and more pro-capitalism members in the government, China should, with time, abandon Communism completely.

I am not that confident on it, but we are living strange days, that's for sure.

[Flangepart]

Neville : Wepons of Mass D? Likely Syria or Iran.

As for Chineese Communisim...its becomming a version of Hitler's Germany.
The various armaments companys of Germany, (Porche, Messerschmitt, Junkers, Krupp, Ect,) were pitted aginst each other in a Capitilist manner...just as the Soviets did with Migg , Soukoi and Yakovlev in air craft construstion. Most people arn't aware of that....so that the companys had to work out how to meet the governments requirments. I.E., an admittion that the Communist ideal does not work, as human nature does not allow it to. We are not "all Lumpen Prolitaret". People are too complex for that.
However, the power was still vested in a narrow range of individuals. Just like every where else.
China sees the need to use, not squash, the abilites of the Chineese people, which are conciterable, but they still want to keep power over them.
To do this, they are playing the Nationalist card.
China's pride is being stoked, and it works better then the heavy hand of Communisim.
However....that does not prevent them from possably becomming the Germany of the East, so to speak.
In short....China is not free as we know it. But, they might become so...if they decide what freedom means, and it agrees with the image we westerners have.

And THAT is an argument i'm not prepared to enter....i have a life, thank ya! :)

[Susan]

SEOUL, South Korea â€" North Korea (search) said Monday that an explosion last week that raised a huge mushroom cloud was the planned demolition of a mountain for a hydroelectric project, and the reclusive government invited a British diplomat to visit the site to confirm the story.

North Korea denounced the speculation over a nuclear test as part of a "smear campaign" against it, aimed at diverting world attention away from new revelations about past South Korean nuclear activities.

A U.N. official, who asked for anonymity, said the Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty Organization (search) â€" a U.N. body that monitors explosions worldwide for signs of nuclear activity through an international network of sensing devices â€" had not picked any signs that the explosion was a nuclear blast.