Saw (2004)

[Scott]

SAW (2004) - Wow, I thought this was going to be a poor film, but I thought it was well done. Had my interest all the way through. Horror films might be getting better with material like this. Also no CGI just gore/horror/suspense. Well done.

[Neon Noodle]

I really liked this movie too.

The Uncut version has a GREAT easter egg hidden on it, they act out SAW in 60 seconds using puppets. It's a riot.

[Mr_Vindictive]

I too enjoyed Saw.  It wasn't as grotesque as I had hoped, but still a great little horror film.  

My biggest disappointment during the film was the scene where Danny Glover gets attacked by the killer.  The knives thing seemed a bit out of place in the film.  Otherwise, I really have no complaints.  The ending was especially good, and I didn't figure out the twist until the last moment.

[The Burgomaster]

Hey, I have the uncut version.  How can I access that Easter Egg with the puppets?

[Neville]

Not a master piece IMHO, but a really enjoyable film. Saw it on the big screen and we had a great time. My real problem with it is that I can't tell if it is a serious movie or not. On one hand you have those two people who are in a terrible situation, and their reactions are filmed dead seriously. But on the other hand, the rest of the film, specially the entrance of the two cops on Jigsaw's lair (I rolled with laughter when they finally confront him and he appears in disguise and chewing scenario like a follower of the Phanyom of the opera) or the grotesque series of reversals and twist endings that take place towards the end of the film.

The sequel, which has little in common with the original, didn't solve my doubts. What do you say, it is a dead serious film a la "Seven" or "Silence of the lambs" or a grotesque black comedy like the Dr. Phibes series or similar films?

[BeyondTheGrave]

I saw this in the movies myself but after it was done I couldn't get outta my head that it just felt like a "Seven" ripoff. I did find it enjoyable none the less but its nothing I see again or own. I do feel it slipping into the "overrated" categorey.

[dean]

Other than the marketing, I really don't see the point in comparing this film to Seven: they may involve vaguely the same concepts, but in terms of execution they are poles apart.

This doesn't necessarily take away from one or the other exactly [though Seven is far superior] but when you think about it, these two films are very different in how their stories are played out.

In answer to Neville's question about whether it's meant to be straight or not, I see where you're coming from, especially with the sequel, but I'd still say they were meant to be played straight and recieved as such, and it sort of falls a little short of the mark in that sense then.

I still really enjoy the first one: the second one is good too, but only because of how it all ends  The 'traps' and 'challenges' were actually kind of lame for the most part in the second one, especially compared with the original [except for that nasty needle pit... ouch!]

[Neon Noodle]

On the 2nd disc, go to the Main Menu and then select the entry 'Cut Media.' On the following sub-menu highlight the chain on the wall and then press the 'Up' arrow key on your remote control, followed by the 'Enter' key. This will take you to another clip, called 'Saw In 60 Seconds' all played out with dolls.

[Ash]

dean Wrote:
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Other than the marketing, I really don't see the
> point in comparing this film to Seven

I agree.
But I will compare them anyway...

The key words here are depravity and sadism.
Saw has both.

But Seven has them too...and then some.
Seven is completely twisted and tells it's story in a much more sadistic manner.
It delves into territory darker than Saw could ever imagine.

We become more invested in Seven because of its higher devotion to character development.
We sincerely care about what happens to all of the characters.
(at least I did)
I even cared about the villain...I wanted to see him dead.
I cared.

Saw's villain had me marvelling at his genious.
Seven's had me revolted.
And when I found out who's head was in the box at the end of Seven, I was truly horrified.

The hatred of the villain is what really seperates Saw from Seven.

They're both "f**ked up movies" when it comes right down to it.

But if I had to choose which movie I thought was "more f**ked up".
Seven definitely has my vote.



Saw is a good movie.
I did enjoy it.

[odinn7]

Wow...Ash, you have some kind of fetish for editing posts? That one was just done 12 times so far.

[Ash]

Odinn...your point is what?

Yes...I edit the s**t out of everything I write.
You look down on it...I see it as a sign of strength & intelligence.

Do not talk down to me anymore....I'm tired of it.
You only make yourself look ignorant when you insult me and make foolish comments.

Remember, I've been around here a lot longer than you have.

I offered a solid response to this thread.
You responded with an insult.

What would your mother have to say about that?

[trekgeezer]

I saw 2004 also, that year really went by fast.  (Boy am I bored today)

[odinn7]

What a grand day this turned out to be! I made some p***y quit a different board I frequent and now I set you off. Wow...Funny world this is.
Ash, I never had anything against you and I had told you that. Sure, you were a little odd, but then, who isn't? Some of your topics were way out there but that was fine, I could just skip them if they didn't appeal to me. I used to poke at you and you didn't mind, you even said so.
Then you made the Tattoo thread where after all was said and done, you basically told everyone that was p**sed at you that you were doing some sort of experiment on us all. I still have my doubts about that as I think it was just a drunken rant that you thought better of after it was out there and then you decided maybe saying you were toying with us would cover it. Either way, it still annoyed me but I can get over things.
So now, I make the same kind of comments at you and suddenly, you burst. Temper, temper.
Whatever Ash, I'll get by.

> Yes...I edit the s**t out of everything I write.
> You look down on it...I see it as a sign of
> strength & intelligence.

Honestly...I look down on it? It was merely something I was pointing out to jab you with. Not looking down at all. Actually, a sign of strength and intelligence would be more like not really worrying so much about what you wrote on a message board that you needed to edit it so much...but that's just me. Oh yes, I remember now. You are the self appointed board police who tells people how they should write things so you are pleased.

> Do not talk down to me anymore....I'm tired of
> it.
> You only make yourself look ignorant when you
> insult me and make foolish comments.

I wasn't talking down at you. Get this right...I was insulting you. There is a difference. As far as making myself look ignorant...I like it here, I really do, but it's a message board for christ sakes. Why should I be so concerned what everyone thinks of me (you know, like someone else I know who seems quite concerned about what people on a message board think of them)?

> Remember, I've been around here a lot longer than
> you have.

OK...this one cracks me up. WTF is that supposed to mean? Holy s**t...Ash has been here longer than me! Oh my f'in god! He's been here longer than me! I sure hope I don't get fired for this!
Who gives a flying f**k who's been here longer? Is that really supposed to mean something? Why are you so impressed with that fact? I've been here 2 years but that doesn't entitle me to more than someone that just signed up.  Why is this an issue?

> What would your mother have to say about that?

See? That's just stooping lower than I would. You will never, ever see me involve, in any way, another persons family member in an argument or dispute.

> Edited 5 times. Last edit at 01/18/06 02:03PM by
> ASHTHECAT.

^^^^^^ Check it out.....5 times.

If it bothers you this much big guy, I will not respond to you in this way anymore. It's no big deal really. You only had to pm me and tell me it bothered you. As I said earlier, you didn't mind it before and told me so yourself. Really, I wouldn't want to upset someone of your status who's been here longer than me![/u] I am done with this now as I already feel bad for doing this to Scott.



***Scott*** I must apologize to you for throwing your topic off like this. I am sorry that this has happened.
Carry on everyone. You've heard the last from me on this.

[Neon Noodle]

We now return to our regularly scheduled program.

There are 2 more "saw in 60 seconds" easter eggs - check out www.dvdreview.com, they post new easter eggs all the time. Great little site.

From the behind the scenes stuff on the special edition, it seems that SAW was in a rush to get done before the Sundance festival and that's why the characters weren't developed - probably also why there were some glaring errors (saw blade back together after Adam broke it, Adam's character coming in to Jigsaw's den instead of the Sing guy, they had to get a shot of someone coming in through the door and the asian actor wasn't available. if you watch it pan & scan you can see Adam's face plain as day).

I'm of the belief that it was seriously done. The puppet thing, imho, had the opposite of the intended effect. It was probably meant to freak people out like Sweet Tooth's character in the original Twisted Metal video game, but instead it because the laugh point of the film.

Losta writing. I's gonna watch Suspect Zero now.

[onionhead]

I have never seen Saw, but I've been on a see-saw.
Hee-hee