I Don't Get the Hate

[HappyGilmore]

I just wanted to say I love lady gaga    

That was to be expected  

Funny thing is, I never truly hated anything with such a deep passion in my life before. Along comes Gaga and 'click' I'm like a sleeper suddenly awaken.
There was a time I wanted to smack people upside the head for listening to her music or even mentioning her name, but I'm way over that (I think. I'll have to consult with my Psychiatrist first)  

She's not so bad, honestly.  I think she tries too hard to get attention at times (the meat dress at the VMA's, admitting to cocaine use but declaring people shouldn't do it or whatever), but ultimately I don't feel her music is too terribly bad for what it is.  There's certainly far more less talented musicians/singers out there.  Gaga's music is good for a night out when you're drinking, partying, drugging it up and want the upbeat music and empty lyrics.  Beyond that, I wouldn't say she's a great talent.

[Umaril The Unfeathered]

However, this hatred gets way out of hand though when they actually start saying they want these people killed and or raped and then get people who actually agree with that statement.  Those people are what prompted me to start this topic because I cannot understand the deep and dark hatred they have.

The 'Net is a safety net of sorts for people to say things they wouldn't normally say to others face to face (for whatever reason) and the fact they are safe in their own homes, (and with some distance from their opponents) gives them that feeling of superiority. Armchair bravado, so to speak. But, how much of it is only smoke, vs. the ones who REALLY feel that way, will always be unknown, and that is what makes these individuals more dangerous, as some have taken their speech to the next level (in some cases.)

They don't really understand that their messages and opinions are being heard by others

While not directly related to the issue, a good recent example of this (w\regard to the quote above) is how the media handled the murder of abortion doctor Dr. George Tiller.   

O' Reilly is blamed for the same thing I quoted above. But at some point, the individual is responsible, and not the words. Because you hear it dosen't mean you have to act on it.

And there are people out there who are just plain nuts, regardless of hate speech. But trying to separate the two (pre-meditative murder vs. aggravated murder) is always a gray area marred by politics and the media, and often for their own purposes.

[Joe the Destroyer]

I wouldn't say I dislike Justin Bieber, but that I dislike his music.  I think any perceived "hatred" I may have with him might have been brought on by the scores of people who have questioned me on saying I'm not into his music.  Specifically, it's those who say that there's no way I can't like his music, but I honestly don't.  His voice annoys me, and the instrumental and/or studio aspects of his music do nothing for me.  Some have said he has a perfect voice and I beg to differ.  Perfection in such a case is, after all, subjective. 

I think a lot of the hate we see on the internet is also an outlet for some people.  It's a way to blow off steam, and people like Angry Video Game Nerd, filmnstuff, and Cinema Snob have been able to channel some of that hatred for easily despicable things into something comical. 

[The Gravekeeper]

I wouldn't say I dislike Justin Bieber, but that I dislike his music.  I think any perceived "hatred" I may have with him might have been brought on by the scores of people who have questioned me on saying I'm not into his music.  Specifically, it's those who say that there's no way I can't like his music, but I honestly don't.  His voice annoys me, and the instrumental and/or studio aspects of his music do nothing for me.  Some have said he has a perfect voice and I beg to differ.  Perfection in such a case is, after all, subjective. 

I think a lot of the hate we see on the internet is also an outlet for some people.  It's a way to blow off steam, and people like Angry Video Game Nerd, filmnstuff, and Cinema Snob have been able to channel some of that hatred for easily despicable things into something comical. 

The thing with them is that they know they're nitpicking and they use characters that are almost unpleasable (well, the Nerd and Cinema Snob, anyway; I don't watch filmnstuff, so I wouldn't know about them). Heck, Brad has admitted that he enjoys a number of the movies that the Snob hates and is more or less parodying the strange practise of high-brow film critics bashing exploitation films for not meeting the same standards as art and Oscar-worthy movies.

[Umaril The Unfeathered]

I had a guy at Youtube get all upset with me and call me "fuc**ng  fa**ot"
because I said that Udo Dirkschneider of Accept was a very unlikely candidate for a metal singer, because he didn't look the part (one look at the man confirms this.)

And then I got the usual accusations- I was an "Emo fa**ot" and a "pu**y pop music lover" and all that.  All because I alluded to Udo's unconventional appearance and how it became his stage gimmick. 

It's like the ultimate kneejerk reaction..people react to the repies befroe they read them. Maybe more than a reaction, it's how they programmed themselves..I dunno.

[The Gravekeeper]

I had a guy at Youtube get all upset with me and call me "fuc**ng  fa**ot"
because I said that Udo Dirkschneider of Accept was a very unlikely candidate for a metal singer, because he didn't look the part (one look at the man confirms this.)

And then I got the usual accusations- I was an "Emo fa**ot" and a "pu**y pop music lover" and all that.  All because I alluded to Udo's unconventional appearance and how it became his stage gimmick. 

It's like the ultimate kneejerk reaction..people react to the repies befroe they read them. Maybe more than a reaction, it's how they programmed themselves..I dunno.

I stand by my idea that, like Godwin's, the moment you imply that the other person is a homosexual in a discussion, you lose since it's obvious that you don't have an argument. The only exceptions come from situations where at least one participant actually is a homosexual, but even then those exceptions are few.

[Leah]

I had a guy at Youtube get all upset with me and call me "fuc**ng  fa**ot"
because I said that Udo Dirkschneider of Accept was a very unlikely candidate for a metal singer, because he didn't look the part (one look at the man confirms this.)

And then I got the usual accusations- I was an "Emo fa**ot" and a "pu**y pop music lover" and all that.  All because I alluded to Udo's unconventional appearance and how it became his stage gimmick. 

Sigh, I know this feeling. I like Green day and I get called a that as well. oh well, life never wins.

[Umaril The Unfeathered]

I had a guy at Youtube get all upset with me and call me "fuc**ng  fa**ot"
because I said that Udo Dirkschneider of Accept was a very unlikely candidate for a metal singer, because he didn't look the part (one look at the man confirms this.)

And then I got the usual accusations- I was an "Emo fa**ot" and a "pu**y pop music lover" and all that.  All because I alluded to Udo's unconventional appearance and how it became his stage gimmick. 

Sigh, I know this feeling. I like Green day and I get called a that as well. oh well, life never wins.

Well, in my eyes, Green Day is a somewhat antagonistic group. Songs like American Idiot Know Your Enemy and Last Of The American Girls are somewhat antagonistic and condescending to true hard working conservatives who haven't been spoiled by partisanship or extremism.  Apparently they haven't looked around them at real people with unspoiled values. They need to get out more. 

That dosen't mean that you're bad for listening to them, or that everyone who does buys their message.   And it dosen't mean you're bad if you buy their political schtick. You're entitled.

I went thru this in the 80's with heavy metal. It was hard for people to believe that a long haired, cycle jacketed headbanger was actually somewhat conservative in his thinking. And I got called a "poser" and all that stuff you go thru too.

Life never won for me either, bud   

[Joe the Destroyer]

I wouldn't say I dislike Justin Bieber, but that I dislike his music.  I think any perceived "hatred" I may have with him might have been brought on by the scores of people who have questioned me on saying I'm not into his music.  Specifically, it's those who say that there's no way I can't like his music, but I honestly don't.  His voice annoys me, and the instrumental and/or studio aspects of his music do nothing for me.  Some have said he has a perfect voice and I beg to differ.  Perfection in such a case is, after all, subjective. 

I think a lot of the hate we see on the internet is also an outlet for some people.  It's a way to blow off steam, and people like Angry Video Game Nerd, filmnstuff, and Cinema Snob have been able to channel some of that hatred for easily despicable things into something comical. 

The thing with them is that they know they're nitpicking and they use characters that are almost unpleasable (well, the Nerd and Cinema Snob, anyway; I don't watch filmnstuff, so I wouldn't know about them). Heck, Brad has admitted that he enjoys a number of the movies that the Snob hates and is more or less parodying the strange practise of high-brow film critics bashing exploitation films for not meeting the same standards as art and Oscar-worthy movies.

Filmnstuff is one guy, like AVGN, and he's probably nastier with the swearing and blatant hatred.  He's actually gotten into video flame wars with other Youtube users, particularly over his Robocop 2 review.  I will say he did go a tad over the line saying that anyone who liked Robocop 2 on NES was a masochist, and that Ocean is "paying them." 

I still stand on the venting half of it.  It's mainly when people become downright insulting that I think vehement hatred towards something gets out of hand.  I've always hated when people imply that my liking something is obviously a sign that the company is paying me.  Case in point:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/ps/198909-tenchu-2-birth-of-the-stealth-assassins/reviews/review-23052

The parts where he bashes the game are fine by me.  The parts where he bashes those who enjoy the game are out of line. 

[Umaril The Unfeathered]

Filmnstuff is one guy, like AVGN, and he's probably nastier with the swearing and blatant hatred.  He's actually gotten into video flame wars with other Youtube users, particularly over his Robocop 2 review.  I will say he did go a tad over the line saying that anyone who liked Robocop 2 on NES was a masochist, and that Ocean is "paying them."

I don't know about Robocop 2 players, but anyone who went thru NES's version of Ninja Gaiden must have been real masochists..(any more at this point would self incriminate me)

The parts where he bashes the game are fine by me.  The parts where he bashes those who enjoy the game are out of line. 

I had a friend like that....and it was funny when he would turn around after criticizing people who like a certain game, and then curse his head off when HE couldn't get thru it, lol  Crazy stuff...

[Chainsawmidget]

I had a guy at Youtube get all upset with me and call me "fuc**ng  fa**ot"
because I said that Udo Dirkschneider of Accept was a very unlikely candidate for a metal singer, because he didn't look the part (one look at the man confirms this.)

And then I got the usual accusations- I was an "Emo fa**ot" and a "pu**y pop music lover" and all that.  All because I alluded to Udo's unconventional appearance and how it became his stage gimmick. 

It's like the ultimate kneejerk reaction..people react to the repies befroe they read them. Maybe more than a reaction, it's how they programmed themselves..I dunno.

The Youtube comment section is the armpit of the internet. 
Sure there are worse places, but you can't expect to find anything there that doesn't stink. 
Seriously, just trying to read some of that stuff makes you a more stupiderest person. 

[Jim H]

Filmnstuff is one guy, like AVGN, and he's probably nastier with the swearing and blatant hatred.  He's actually gotten into video flame wars with other Youtube users, particularly over his Robocop 2 review.

What's funny are the number of people who think it is serious - particularly the AVGN, who is quite obviously a persona/character.  James Rolfe, the creator/writer/actor/everything guy behind it, has talked about this before.  He's also one of the nicest guys around, which is kind of funny when he gets interviewed and people aren't expecting it.  I suspect the character appeals for a couple reasons - for younger people, he comes across as somewhat of a spoof of the modern internet "hater".  For people a little older, who were gamers way back when, the character is often an exaggeration of how angry we ourselves got with such games (his TMNT NES review, which was what made him big, is the case in point).  His nostalgia-ridden monologues reference this. 

But yeah, internet hate is often a crazy thing.  So many things get so blown out of proportion, that it becomes impossible to take seriously.  I'm glad there aren't too many things that get me genuinely that angry. 

On that note, I dunno if I really can say I like her as I only know like three of her songs, but Lady Gaga is OK in my books.  Well, in the sense that I enjoy those three songs anyway.  Basically, I think the melodies are good and I never care if the lyrics of a song are meaningless.  Deep criticism of music is something that doesn't matter to me - I either like a song or not, that's about it.  Sometimes this results in my liking songs that are rather embarrassing to like.  Oh well.

[Chainsawmidget]

What's funny are the number of people who think it is serious - particularly the AVGN, who is quite obviously a persona/character.

I never wondered whether the guy was serious or not.  I've always disliked the guy because I don't think he's nearly as funny as he thinks he is. 

[HappyGilmore]

I had a guy at Youtube get all upset with me and call me "fuc**ng  fa**ot"
because I said that Udo Dirkschneider of Accept was a very unlikely candidate for a metal singer, because he didn't look the part (one look at the man confirms this.)

And then I got the usual accusations- I was an "Emo fa**ot" and a "pu**y pop music lover" and all that.  All because I alluded to Udo's unconventional appearance and how it became his stage gimmick. 

Sigh, I know this feeling. I like Green day and I get called a that as well. oh well, life never wins.

Well, in my eyes, Green Day is a somewhat antagonistic group. Songs like American Idiot Know Your Enemy and Last Of The American Girls are somewhat antagonistic and condescending to true hard working conservatives who haven't been spoiled by partisanship or extremism.  Apparently they haven't looked around them at real people with unspoiled values. They need to get out more. 

That dosen't mean that you're bad for listening to them, or that everyone who does buys their message.   And it dosen't mean you're bad if you buy their political schtick. You're entitled.

I went thru this in the 80's with heavy metal. It was hard for people to believe that a long haired, cycle jacketed headbanger was actually somewhat conservative in his thinking. And I got called a "poser" and all that stuff you go thru too.

Life never won for me either, bud   

It sucks, really.  I like punk, and I also like Green Day.  I'm not necessarily saying that I think they're 'punk', but that community banished them years and years ago and if you even speak their name in that company, you're damn near banished and told you're a sellout for liking them. 

And these are people that shop at Hot Topic.  Not for nothing, but I'd say if you're a punk or rebel, the last place I'd shop is a corporate America pansy store that targets 14 year old girls.  Can someone explain this to me?

[Umaril The Unfeathered]

I had a guy at Youtube get all upset with me and call me "fuc**ng  fa**ot"
because I said that Udo Dirkschneider of Accept was a very unlikely candidate for a metal singer, because he didn't look the part (one look at the man confirms this.)

And then I got the usual accusations- I was an "Emo fa**ot" and a "pu**y pop music lover" and all that.  All because I alluded to Udo's unconventional appearance and how it became his stage gimmick. 

It's like the ultimate kneejerk reaction..people react to the repies befroe they read them. Maybe more than a reaction, it's how they programmed themselves..I dunno.

The Youtube comment section is the armpit of the internet. 
Sure there are worse places, but you can't expect to find anything there that doesn't stink. 
Seriously, just trying to read some of that stuff makes you a more stupiderest person. 

Well, for me Youtube is cool because I find a lot of retro-horror movies, old commercials, or old music videos from MTV's Headbanger's Ball days As well as a lot of other stuff from my youth in the 80's.

These idiots that pull this stuff we're talking about actually make me laugh, it's to the point where it's nothing to me (to say little of the value I placed on it to begin with.)

That said, not all topics go south..sometimes you get people who agree with you on any given subject, and it winds up leading to some good and civil discussions.  Take the good with the bad.