parents name new born Adolf Hitler, lose custody of him

[bob]

these morons also gave their other kids Nazi inspired names 

http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/parents-adolf-hitler-lose-custody-newborn-020633900.html

[Mofo Rising]

Adolf Hitler pretty much ruined his own name for everybody forever.

I think the only person who is still pulling off any sort of variant is Dolph Lundgren. Sort of amusing because Dolph Lundgren would be the stereotypical Aryan.

Now I'm not defending these stupid, hateful, and stupid racists, but at least Adolf Hitler is a name. The article says that they have another daughter who they named JoyceLynn Aryan Nation Campbell. That doesn't even make sense. They may not be the worst parents ever, but they're certainly in the running.

[indianasmith]

Wouldn't the world be a much nicer place if stupid and mean people were not allowed to reproduce?

[akiratubo]

Wouldn't the world be a much nicer place if stupid and mean people were not allowed to reproduce?

Stupid, mean people can have intelligent, kind children, and vice-versa.

[Mr. DS]

Adolf Hitler pretty much ruined his own name for everybody forever.

And a mustache style oddly.

[bob]

Adolf Hitler pretty much ruined his own name for everybody forever.

And a mustache style oddly.

I don't know, recently Michael Jordan had one samliar to that

and many many moons ago Charlie Chaplin did

so I wouldn't say he ruined the mustache, it's just considered to be in horrible taste to have one like Hilter did

[Chainsawmidget]

Adolf Hitler pretty much ruined his own name for everybody forever.

And a mustache style oddly.

J. Jonah Jameson can still pull it off. 

[Flick James]

I guess it's too soon to be naming kids Adolf Hitler then, ay? There goes my plans for naming my next child.

I guess I'll have to go back a little further then. Ivan the Terrible has an nice ring to it.

[ulthar]

The fundamental, core problem with this is that it is no one's business what a parent names their child.  Yes, these names are idiotic (on a number of levels)...less so than "Moon Unit"?...but,

To take someone's child away because you don't like what you named them is INSANE.  And wrong (on many levels).

This speaks volumes about what ILLUSIONS the freedoms we think we have really are.  And, how deeply low our culture has sunk.  This coming Friday, people will get into fist fights over the last pair of day-glo-green Nike's on sale, but no one bats an eye that:

THE FREAKING GOVERNMENT IS RIPPING CHILDREN FROM THEIR BIOLOGICAL PARENTS because of what they chose to NAME THEM.

What GOD gives anyone the power to tell a parent what to NAME THEIR CHILD?  Why do "they" get to decide what names are acceptable?  What if next month, "Peter" is deemed unacceptable, and thus a jailable offense?  Or Richard?  Or Debra?

Who gets to choose?

No, this is wrong, but not because of what the parents have done.  This is wrong because of the response to what the parents have done and the fact that it is news and very, very few people are even talking about this side of it.  There's a much bigger picture here than just this one family.

We need to rise above the Godwin's Law emotional response that the name Adolph Hitler evokes and look deeper at this  problem.

And lest you guys think I'm the resident tin-foil-hat-guy, parens patriae run amok is a very real problem...and a growing one.

Some light reading:

http://www.barefootsworld.net/parensp.html

http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/chapters/6e.htm

http://www.hslda.org/hs/international/Germany/201111080.asp  (this is but one example of many on this site)

And, how about a 35 minute web video on the topic?

http://www.overruledmovie.com/

[Flick James]

Well, ulther, I understand the fundamentals of your position, but I can think of few bigger red flags of deeper problems at home than a couple that would name their child Adolf Hitler. The vibe I got from the article was that the removal had to do with more than that. But if I worked for Child Protective Services and a couple named their child Adolf Hitler, and were even stupid enough to order a birthday cake with Adolf Hitler on it, I would investigate immediately. How idiotic is that?

Besides, the article states that the child was not removed simply because of naming, although I would venture to guess that it was an initial indicator that drew attention, as well it should be.

If you workd for Child Protective Services and learned that a couple adopted a black child and named him "n****r," wouldn't you immediately question the fitness of the parents? Wouldn't you immediately have concern for the well-being of that child? There are certain things you just don't do, and naming a child Adolf Hitler is one of them. Any reasonable person is going to question the competency of parents who would do such a thing, so it's not a question of who chooses what names are unacceptable. This goes well beyond that.

[ulthar]

Any reasonable person is going to question the competency of parents who would do such a thing, so it's not a question of who chooses what names are unacceptable. This goes well beyond that.

I disagree completely, which is okay.  I'm used to being an iconoclast.

There is nothing transcendentally wrong with any name a parent chooses.  It is YOUR emotional baggage that is making it an issue.

Hitler was evil, no doubt.  No doubt that *I* think those parents are stupid for doing that.  And perhaps more than a bit odd.  But, here's the thing.

It is not MY CHILD, and it is not MY CHOICE.

There's a very fundamental, philosophical issue here.  Is the parent sovereign in the family?  I say "yes."  There are clear cases where the parent is abusive; this is not one of those.  You and I don't have to like, or agree, with what the parent choose, but it's their choice.

If there were other, more substantive reasons to remove the children from the home, the article should have been about those...hell, at least MENTIONED them specifically rather than alluding to nebulous claims to try to build credibility.  But no, the article was an emotional appeal (one of our Logical Fallacies...often used to manipulate) capitalizing on one of the strongest memes in modern culture.

How about this example.  An acquaintance raised his daughter alone from age 9 to 16.  She was happy and healthy.  He had dreamed of moving aboard a boat and sailing the world.  She was totally on board with that idea and wanted to go with him.

A neighbor, a third party, heard of the idea and thought that was no way for a 16 year girl to live.  How would she go to the mall, watch American Idol, eat junk food and "fit in?"  She petitioned the local family court and...

Got the child removed from the home and placed into HER CUSTODY!

Yes sir, the court decided (I THINK this was in Ohio) that "the best interest of the child" was to be placed in the custody of a neighbor rather than her own parent.  She strongly disagreed and wanted to stay with her Dad.  The court figuratively patted her on the head, said, "there there, little missy, let the grown-ups talk," even though she was old enough to drive, reproduce, have a job and not so long ago, be married and have a family of her own.

True story, man, and not an isolated one.  This is a VERY serious issue, and we have to be very careful what cases we side with the parens patriae arm of the government.

Sanctioned kidnapping over a name...and people are defending it...just wow.   

[Chainsawmidget]

It is YOUR emotional baggage that is making it an issue.

Apparently it's everybody on the planet but You 's emotional baggage.

(...   You 's?  I feel weird just typing that.)

[ulthar]

It is YOUR emotional baggage that is making it an issue.

Apparently it's everybody on the planet but You 's emotional baggage.

(...   You 's?  I feel weird just typing that.)

No, there are a lot of folks that agree with me, but so what?  Mob rule is right now?

You guys aware that in the first article I read on this (weeks before it was posted here), it was clearly stated that the judge in the case found there was NOT evidence of other abuse?  The sole basis for this is the NAME.

I remain stunned.

[Flick James]

There is nothing transcendentally wrong with any name a parent chooses.  It is YOUR emotional baggage that is making it an issue.

My emotional baggage makes it an issue? I assure I was not personally affected by the Holocaust, nor raped by Hitler, so I don't see how emotional baggage has anything to do with it.

It is not a subjective opinion that Hitler was one of history's ugliest monsters. It is virtually unanimous, and the only people that would actually consider him a hero are exactly the type of people I would question in their ability to raise a child. I have no problem with you fundamental position. However, there are rare occasions in life where situations rise above basic philosophical issues. Philosophy serves as a guide, not a ball and chain.

[Cthulhu]

I bet did they nazi that coming.
But Anne Frankly, they deserved it. This is not reich.
Allright, these nazi jokes have been goring on for to long. This is getting out from mein kampfort zone.