Who should be the next president?

[Allhallowsday]

...
It's all very fascinating to watch in real time. 20-50 years from now, people might understand 'what really happened in the 2016 election.' 

Living it is like day-trading the stock market.  We really don't know what will happen next.

Or, living it is like watching paint dry.  We really know what will happen next.

[indianasmith]

That old Chinese curse: "May you live in interesting times."

   We are afflicted with it.

[lester1/2jr]

agree they are way too interesting.

Indy - what is your opinion about this sort of Perot/ Buchanan republicanism thats out there now? I can see common ground between repubs and Sanders type dems pretty clearly re trade and so forth. I think of myself as a free trader but...

[indianasmith]

I can't stand isolationism, Lester.  There are evils in the world that simply need to be fought if civilization as we know it is going to endure, and if we don't fight them, there aren't many that will.  Not every fight is ours, true, but that's not the same thing as saying no fight is ours.  I'm a Reagan/Bush Republican, and I guess,  in today's climate, that makes me a RINO.

[Allhallowsday]

http://youtu.be/mrX3Ql31URA

[Allhallowsday]

And to clarify:...
I come from Irish ancestry.  I've heard and read some pretty ugly (yet often funny) things about Irish immigration into the US.  It does not offend me and I think it's uniquely American to be so accepting of 'self-criticism.'
...

Yeh?  Have you ever heard the expression "Irish plug"?  I was born here in NJ and my parents too, but both my sets of grandparents were born in Ireland (except my mother's mother born in Argentina, but Irish).  I grew up with a photo portrait of JFK on our mantel.  The Catholic and Irish thing was a big deal in my family.  We had nuns and priests, some from England, visit us when I was a child.  I am named for one who was born the same date I was: All Hallows Day. 

[Jim H]

What matters is that people are now being truly exposed to competing ideologies, and are forced to LOOK at them and make a choice...rather than just following the ONE message that has been sold to them.

At times, but what I've also found is the creation of a variety of closely politically aligned sites and groups online actually allows people to much more easily isolate themselves from competing information than in the old days of true mass media.  Anyone can find a group of like minded people and largely associate with them.  I think the information is actually even more funneled for most, not less, and people are effectively more sheltered - by choice.  Even if they see the other ideologies at some point, it may not matter when they already don't trust anything outside the bubble.

[Skull]

http://youtu.be/mrX3Ql31URA

lol... Maybe Trump can counter that with:

The tape of Hillary laughing on how she reduced the sentence of a child rapist...

[lester1/2jr]

indiana -  I was thinking more about the trade side. you may remember when GOP used to say stuff like buy made in the USA etc in light of the opioid epidemic and all these places falling apart its kind of making a comeback.

[LilCerberus]

I hate this ad, because Monica's ex-boyfriend's wife thinks we've all forgotten how Lewinsky became a verb, or how victims of sexual harassment became a bimbo eruption. Heck, some buffoon tried to make Billy Carter into a role model.

http://youtu.be/mrX3Ql31URA

[Skull]

I'm a little puzzled by the Media accusing Trump for suggesting Russia to hack into Hillary Emails.

How can Mother Russia do this? Hillary's secret server is locked away in FBI's vault... unless, Hillary has a secret, secret, secret server... 

[Allhallowsday]

PUTIN is not our friend or ally.  The flouting of diplomacy, the fly bys apparently intended to be provocative, other actions of his criticized by world media... PUTIN's vision of Russia might be my own if I were Russian.  I don't pretend to know his vision, but my glimpses, and guesses, are troubling as an American.   

[lester1/2jr]

Russia is a very nationalist sort of country. They elect and like Putin because he is like that too

[Skull]

PUTIN is not our friend or ally.  The flouting of diplomacy, the fly bys apparently intended to be provocative, other actions of his criticized by world media... PUTIN's vision of Russia might be my own if I were Russian.  I don't pretend to know his vision, but my glimpses, and guesses, are troubling as an American.   

lol... Trump was sarcastic...

We already know that Russia could have her emails (as well as China) but the DNC hack/release seem more closer to an angry Sanders supporter than a Russian spy. But the media keep saying it's the Russia even though there is no real proof.

Regardless who hacked it (kind of like why Watergate started) the problem is that we have proof that the DNC/media fixed the election... This does become bothersome because what if this was the presidential election and we found out that Hillary is president because it was fix. We are going to be looking at civil war 2.

[Leah]

PUTIN is not our friend or ally.  The flouting of diplomacy, the fly bys apparently intended to be provocative, other actions of his criticized by world media... PUTIN's vision of Russia might be my own if I were Russian.  I don't pretend to know his vision, but my glimpses, and guesses, are troubling as an American.   

lol... Trump was sarcastic...

We already know that Russia could have her emails (as well as China) but the DNC hack/release seem more closer to an angry Sanders supporter than a Russian spy. But the media keep saying it's the Russia even though there is no real proof.

Regardless who hacked it (kind of like why Watergate started) the problem is that we have proof that the DNC/media fixed the election... This does become bothersome because what if this was the presidential election and we found out that Hillary is president because it was fix. We are going to be looking at civil war 2.

I thought it was a Romanian who hacked her emails?