The Quentin Tarantino debacle: your thoughts?

Trevor · November 05, 2015, 01:36:22 AM

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/envelope/goldstandard/la-et-mn-quentin-tarantino-hateful-eight-boycott-20151102-story.html

All I have to say is the following:

My father served in the British South Africa Police Reserve in the former Rhodesia.
He served his country proudly.
He was a cop.
He was not a murderer.

Tarantino: class one douche-bag and all around idiot.

indianasmith · November 05, 2015, 07:15:43 AM

I think that if people would quit resisting arrest they'd be much less likely to get shot.

Trevor · November 05, 2015, 08:19:30 AM

Quote from: indianasmith on November 05, 2015, 07:15:43 AM
I think that if people would quit resisting arrest they'd be much less likely to get shot.

Agreed.

Derf · November 05, 2015, 08:32:38 AM

My father served as a deputy sheriff for many years, and he was one of the good officers, so I don't like the depiction of the police in general as being a bunch of bigoted murderers prone to the use of excessive force. That said, I have to admit that there are also a small number of bad cops out there giving the good ones a bad name, and those bad cops need to be weeded out and punished appropriately.

I will heartily agree that Tarantino is a class one douche bag whether his remarks in this case were misrepresented or not, and I will not see his upcoming movie, not because of its depiction of corrupt police officers, but simply because I don't like his movies. I know I'm in the minority here, but his movies just don't entertain me in any way, and the more success he has, the more pompous he becomes.

Trevor · November 05, 2015, 08:54:13 AM

Quote from: Derf on November 05, 2015, 08:32:38 AM
My father served as a deputy sheriff for many years, and he was one of the good officers.

My thanks to your Dad for his service.

Rev. Powell · November 05, 2015, 09:18:46 AM

I agree with him that if cops kill a suspect without justification it is murder and should be called such. His only published quote---"When I see murders, I do not stand by ... I have to call a murder a murder, and I have to call the murderers the murderers"---is on its face inoffensive, deliberately unspecific, and I don't see how anyone could disagree with it. I can't find much information on the context of the rally he was speaking at, though. I assume that must make a difference because otherwise I have no idea what the fuss is about.

lester1/2jr · November 05, 2015, 11:13:07 AM

someone from Hollywood espousing leftist views I can't believe it

Seriously, it's not very brave to call cops murderers in the US in 2015. At the same time, there's a new super aggressive style of policing that's out of sync with where the country is. Freddie gray was a drug dealer and probably not a nice guy but the idea that he threw himself into the walls of a van to dislocate his own spine is too crazy to believe.

Even worse was the lady they pulled over then took to jail where she killed herself (allegedly). All she did was move out of the cops way and he managed to find a way to put her in JAIL. We don't pay these peoples salaries for things like this. Of course, they have no competition so if something goes wrong what can you do.

QuoteI think that if people would quit resisting arrest they'd be much less likely to get shot.

I don't know. I've always just done what the cop said and been polite to get through the thing and move on but I wonder if maybe we've done that too much and it's gone to their heads. maybe we need to push back a little from time to time. power is a dangerous drug

bob · November 05, 2015, 12:51:45 PM

By in large I believe most cops are good guys but there are a few bad ones out there who give them as a whole a bad name.

Trevor · November 06, 2015, 04:01:32 AM

alandhopewell · November 06, 2015, 03:20:05 PM

This pretty much says it....

A_Dubya · November 07, 2015, 01:36:58 AM

Quote from: bob on November 05, 2015, 12:51:45 PM
By in large I believe most cops are good guys but there are a few bad ones out there who give them as a whole a bad name.

Pretty much. I have been victim to some of the good and bad ones, so yeah. I'd have to side with Bob. Still, people calling out people with authority for their bs doesn't offend me. If they abuse their power, I've no reason to treat them with respect.

A_Dubya · November 07, 2015, 01:43:05 AM

Quote from: Trevor on November 05, 2015, 08:19:30 AM
Quote from: indianasmith on November 05, 2015, 07:15:43 AM
I think that if people would quit resisting arrest they'd be much less likely to get shot.

Agreed.

Because that worked out so well for the guy being held down by multiple police, screaming "I can't breathe"? He was such a threat that he deserved to be killed.

indianasmith · November 07, 2015, 09:15:46 AM

They should have handled that better.

That being said, if you are 400 pounds, diabetic, with a heart condition, you probably shouldn't struggle to begin with.

Rev. Powell · November 07, 2015, 10:17:26 AM

Thinking a little more on it, there appears to be some grandstanding hypocrisy here. He says "When I see murders, I do not stand by ... I have to call a murder a murder, and I have to call the murderers the murderers...", which I agree with, but did not to my knowledge actually have the courage to name anyone a murderer (although who really knows? has anyone heard or read his actual statements? That single quote was all I was able to find).

Jim H · November 08, 2015, 01:55:35 AM

Quote from: Trevor on November 05, 2015, 01:36:22 AM
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/envelope/goldstandard/la-et-mn-quentin-tarantino-hateful-eight-boycott-20151102-story.html

All I have to say is the following:

My father served in the British South Africa Police Reserve in the former Rhodesia.
He served his country proudly.
He was a cop.
He was not a murderer.

Tarantino: class one douche-bag and all around idiot.

Are you aware of the context of US police actions and treatment, especially of minorities in the US, along with the various police shootings recently? A lot of stuff been going on. I dunno if it'd change your mind, but it might help you understand where he's coming from.

As far as what he said:

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He appears around 3:20. I know he has appeared at one other rally and talked about Tamir Rice (a child shot to death by police).

QuoteThey should have handled that better.

That being said, if you are 400 pounds, diabetic, with a heart condition, you probably shouldn't struggle to begin with.

Cops also shouldn't jump on and choke you because you're arguing with them (oh, and flailed your arm) or shoot you for resisting arrest. I guess I have higher expectations of police.

All that said... It's also pretty easy to notice that EVERY SINGLE TIME a cop shoots anyone or arrests anyone in even vaguely unusual circumstances, people are quick to slam the police handling of it and accuse them of things without any evidence. Give you one example, here in St. Louis (where I live, which has been cop-citizen confrontation central the past year and a half) the Vonderitt Myers shooting. People are basically believing in conspiracy theories to blame the cop in the situation for shooting at someone who fired upon him. One guy I sort of know said Myers was justified in shooting at the cop pre-emptively as he was black and the cop was white. Wish I was joking.

There was also a case of a mentally ill man approaching officers with a knife and getting shot - which I think the officers should have handled differently, but they were actually following protocol correctly (the protocol needs improvement). I remember one person saying the officer should have shot the guy in the leg. That should tell you enough, if you know firearms much.