When bad guys win.

Svengoolie 3 · October 16, 2018, 02:12:54 AM

Movies where the bad guy wins. How do you like them? Any ones you like or hate?

There are several movies where the bad guys win without most people realizing it. The death wish movies for example. Bronson was a murderer, legally. Law and order types must see him as a bad guy but he usually won.

In 'skyfall' the bad guy wanted to destroy M and by and large won, he wrecked her organization, exposed what she did to him, hunted her down and caused her death.

Hannibal lecter won in his movies.

Archivist · October 16, 2018, 06:49:04 AM

The Midnight Meat Train (2008). The main villain dies but the hero takes his place. On the fifth or sixth watching, it finally clicked with me that the end of the movie is actually the lead up to the beginning.

Equinox (1970). They went to hell. Or something. Some guy goes insane. It ain't cool. But it's fun!

RCMerchant · October 16, 2018, 08:15:44 AM

KING KONG (1933). I mean, com'on. Kong wasn't the bad guy.

ER · October 16, 2018, 10:36:36 AM

Quote from: RCMerchant on October 16, 2018, 08:15:44 AM
KING KONG (1933). I mean, com'on. Kong wasn't the bad guy.

Darn right.

RCMerchant · October 16, 2018, 10:54:05 AM

Quote from: Archivist on October 16, 2018, 06:49:04 AM

Equinox (1970). They went to hell. Or something. Some guy goes insane. It ain't cool. But it's fun!

And the quasi-remake the EVIL DEAD (1982).
I like both films!

RCMerchant · October 16, 2018, 10:59:22 AM

RACE WITH THE DEVIL has the motor cross folks in the RV getting swamped by small town Satanists.
Gotta watch out for them small town hicks! They worship the devil, run around with chainsaws, and eat human flesh!

zombie no.one · October 16, 2018, 01:54:03 PM

THE WICKER MAN

AEROBICIDE

never thought I'd mention those 2 in the same post

Allhallowsday · October 17, 2018, 12:15:55 PM

CARNIVAL OF SOULS
NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD
THE MUMMY'S HAND
INVADERS FROM MARS
NOT OF THIS EARTH
THE DAY MARS INVADED EARTH
COUNT YORGA, VAMPIRE

Archivist · October 17, 2018, 08:48:40 PM

Quote from: zombie no.one on October 16, 2018, 01:54:03 PM
THE WICKER MAN

AEROBICIDE

never thought I'd mention those 2 in the same post

The good guys won in The Wicker Man. They were just simple farming folk defending their traditions against the bigoted outsider.

Zardoz (1974) is a mixed bag for me. I can't quite tell who are the bad guys and good guys. Are they the Utopian race who dwell in their paradise, or are the bad guys the Brutals and the Executioners?

Around the same time period, Beneath The Planet Of The Apes (1970) is another dystopian future movie where no one seems to win and the opposing sides are morally ambiguous. Some might see the mutant humans as bad, others as good. As a fun aside, I have the comic adaptation of this movie and I think there was a record that went with it!

Alex · October 18, 2018, 02:57:39 AM

Ooh, you just gave me a huge flashback. I think as a very young child I owned that comic and record (I am remembering a 7 inch flexi disc).

RCMerchant · October 18, 2018, 03:02:54 PM

In John Carpenter's the THING- you really don't know.

BoyScoutKevin · October 18, 2018, 06:05:13 PM

I wasn't going to reply to this, but, then I got to thinking about war movies. Who's the villain in the war movie Waterloo? Where Rod Steiger plays Napoleon and Christopher Plummer plays Wellington. With Wellington and the Allies beating Napoleon and the French.

Another case for who is the villain, and who is not is . . .
Zulu Dawn.
Where the Zulu Warriors defeated the whites at the battle of Isandlwana.

And any version of the Alamo. I haven't seen the Texans win once, even, if we can presume they are the heroes of the film.

A Bridge Too Far
--the Germans win.

As for the Japanese, they win in . . .
Wake Island and
Bataan, where Robert Taylor is the last one left, manning a .30-caliber machinegun and shouting out to the approaching Japanese soldiers: "Come on you, sons of b***hes!" Bold words for a 1943 film.

And I'm sure there are others, that at the moment, escape me.

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Svengoolie 3 · October 18, 2018, 10:22:04 PM

Godzilla. Nature created godzilla to punish mankind for violating it with the atomic bomb and it's fallout. Then those damn little Japanese destroy him before he can make people give up nuclear weapons. (For those of you lacking humor, this was a joke.)

Archivist · October 18, 2018, 10:54:29 PM

Quote from: Dark Alex on October 18, 2018, 02:57:39 AM
Ooh, you just gave me a huge flashback. I think as a very young child I owned that comic and record (I am remembering a 7 inch flexi disc).

Yasssss something like that! The record slipped into the back of the comic. Sadly, I'm unable to find the record, but I still have the comic in my collection. Therein lies a host of late 70's and early 80's comic adaptations including Star Wars, Blade Runner, Krull, Buckaroo Banzai, Condorman, Clash of the Titans and the first two Indiana Jones movies! I regularly thank my parents for being so indulgent with me as a kid.

Couchtr26 · October 18, 2018, 11:21:24 PM

The Skeleton Key (2005).

Don't remember much but remember the end not sure of my thoughts. However, remember the antagonists more or less get what they want.