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Started by ER, November 05, 2019, 06:12:32 PM

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ER

The story of the youth of the future King Henry V of England is neither accurate history nor engaging storytelling and is another reason I won't miss Netflix after our subscription expires in nine days.

Two dead Welsh rebels out of five.
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Allhallowsday

I don't know much about no HENRYs of England, but I know I hate the eighth one.
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indianasmith

Quote from: Allhallowsday on November 08, 2019, 11:59:48 PM
I don't know much about no HENRYs of England, but I know I hate the eighth one.

He's my favorite!! LOL
"I shall smite you in the nostrils with a rod of iron, and wax your spleen with Efferdent!!"

Allhallowsday

Quote from: indianasmith on November 09, 2019, 11:01:58 AM
Quote from: Allhallowsday on November 08, 2019, 11:59:48 PM
I don't know much about no HENRYs of England, but I know I hate the eighth one.

He's my favorite!! LOL
Why? 
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indianasmith

A.  He's gotten a lot of bad press when he actually had considerable accomplishments as king.
B.  His personal life was such a glorious train wreck that it seems more like a bad novel than reality.
C.  It's hard not to have some respect for a man who can speak, read, and write six languages, play multiple musical instruments, and composed over 200 songs.
"I shall smite you in the nostrils with a rod of iron, and wax your spleen with Efferdent!!"

Allhallowsday

Quote from: indianasmith on November 09, 2019, 12:57:57 PM
A.  He's gotten a lot of bad press when he actually had considerable accomplishments as king...
True... but still he deserves the bad press. 

Quote from: indianasmith on November 09, 2019, 12:57:57 PM
B.  His personal life was such a glorious train wreck that it seems more like a bad novel than reality. 
Entertaining as it may be, his life was not "personal" and not admirable, including public executions of two wives. 

Quote from: indianasmith on November 09, 2019, 12:57:57 PM
C.  It's hard not to have some respect for a man who can speak, read, and write six languages, play multiple musical instruments, and composed over 200 songs.
No it's not.  I don't deny Henry was smart, but afterall, there was no twitter in them days! 
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chainsaw midget

Quote from: indianasmith on November 09, 2019, 12:57:57 PM
A.  He's gotten a lot of bad press when he actually had considerable accomplishments as king.
B.  His personal life was such a glorious train wreck that it seems more like a bad novel than reality.
C.  It's hard not to have some respect for a man who can speak, read, and write six languages, play multiple musical instruments, and composed over 200 songs.
And you left out this snazzy song. 

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ER

In all seriousness Henry VIII is often credited with composing the traditional English hymn Green Sleeves.

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niccolom

Quote from: indianasmith on November 09, 2019, 12:57:57 PM
B.  His personal life was such a glorious train wreck that it seems more like a bad novel than reality. 
Quote from: Allhallowsday on November 09, 2019, 05:39:22 PM
Entertaining as it may be, his life was not "personal" and not admirable, including public executions of two wives.

It wasn't just the executions of Anne Boleyn and Katherine Howard, but also the executions, imprisonment and torture of hundreds of people who were suspected of subversive activity. Then there is the Dissolution of the Monasteries that resulted the destruction of hundreds of old historic building and loss of thousands of books of great antiquity. And that's just a small example of the things he was respnsible for. So, yes, Henry VIII had a lot to answer for.

niccolom

Quote from: ER on December 04, 2019, 03:26:56 PM
In all seriousness Henry VIII is often credited with composing the traditional English hymn Green Sleeves.

If Wikipedia is any guide, the first version of the song was registered in London in 1580, almost forty years after Henry's death. Mind you, that doesn't mean earlier weren't versions available prior to this, but we have a lot of correspondence and other historic documentation from Henry's reign and there is no evidence to suggest that he composed it.

indianasmith

Quote from: niccolom on December 05, 2019, 05:08:31 PM
Quote from: indianasmith on November 09, 2019, 12:57:57 PM
B.  His personal life was such a glorious train wreck that it seems more like a bad novel than reality. 
Quote from: Allhallowsday on November 09, 2019, 05:39:22 PM
Entertaining as it may be, his life was not "personal" and not admirable, including public executions of two wives.

It wasn't just the executions of Anne Boleyn and Katherine Howard, but also the executions, imprisonment and torture of hundreds of people who were suspected of subversive activity. Then there is the Dissolution of the Monasteries that resulted the destruction of hundreds of old historic building and loss of thousands of books of great antiquity. And that's just a small example of the things he was respnsible for. So, yes, Henry VIII had a lot to answer for.

Every King who faced rebellions committed similar atrocities; that was par for the course.  The dissolution of the monasteries was painful, especially the loss of so much history.  But the dispersal of church properties to the rising commercial class put an end to the remnants of the feudal system and laid the ground for much prosperity.
Henry VIII was a man of his time, certainly, but within the context of that time he stood head and shoulders above his contemporaries and changed the lives of Englishmen for generations to come.  Much bad flowed from those changes, but so did much greater good.
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Allhallowsday

Quote from: indianasmith on December 05, 2019, 06:33:07 PM
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Henry VIII was a man of his time, certainly, but within the context of that time he stood head and shoulders above his contemporaries and changed the lives of Englishmen for generations to come.  Much bad flowed from those changes, but so did much greater good.

He was NOT head and shoulders above SAINT SIR THOMAS MORE.  Henry VIII?  Fnck 'im.   :thumbdown:
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indianasmith

Well, he was a head above him, anyway . . .    :tongueout: :twirl:
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Allhallowsday

Quote from: indianasmith on December 08, 2019, 11:37:53 PM
Well, he was a head above him, anyway . . .    :tongueout: :twirl:
You're funny.  Not. 
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