Haunted House.

[zelmo73]

Wow, Barri, you can teach astral projection? Then your money woes are about to be forever over, since every intelligence service on the planet and every big corporation involved in industrial espionage (not to mention Ripley's Believe It Or Not!) will gladly pay you megabucks to do that, since apparently all their clinical trials of astral projection (tell us what's written on the white board in the next room....) went nowhere. 

I'm sure that the CIA would want to employ someone with that type of talent.

https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001900760001-9.pdf

[ER]

Wow, Barri, you can teach astral projection? Then your money woes are about to be forever over, since every intelligence service on the planet and every big corporation involved in industrial espionage (not to mention Ripley's Believe It Or Not!) will gladly pay you megabucks to do that, since apparently all their clinical trials of astral projection (tell us what's written on the white board in the next room....) went nowhere. 

I'm sure that the CIA would want to employ someone with that type of talent.

https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001900760001-9.pdf

Maybe I should say that I did have what certainly appeared to be an out of body experience when I was in labor with my first child in 2008, so I cannot dismiss that OBEs or convincing hallucinations of them exist.

That said...

My issue with all these alleged mind control/astral projection experts which urban legends tell us the CIA supposedly has is this: intelligence agencies invest millions of personnel hours per year in operations that annually see men and women no one will ever hear of leave behind families, children, friends and daily life, and in so doing see many sacrifice their lives for their country. If all it ever took was some hippie a***ole sitting in a room astral projecting over to see what the Chinese were doing, all those millions of (billable!) hours would be inefficient and those deaths would not only be needless, those who sent those people over to die would be cold blooded murderers.

A good rule of thumb is to pay more attention to what someone is doing than what someone is saying. If Haitians can really use voodoo for fun and profit, why do they live amid disease and poverty? Half the self-proclaimed casters of spells I knew in the Michael group and from other places, including friends of mine, are also poor and overweight and tend not to have what you'd call lives of success and happiness, so....physician heal thyself. (With a magic spell you say you can cast.)

Remember, the CIA authors a lot of its own bulls**t as part of psychological operations. It's cheap, it's useful, it builds a reputation for mystery and omnipotence, and it keeps the other side guessing: "If they're spending millions on out of body travel, Boris, maybe we better start spending too!"

One will find no more prolific liars on planet Earth than the CIA.

You know the term "tin-foil hat"? That reportedly relates back to a long-ago CIA operation by that name to discredit the counterculture and conspiracy theorists in general by advancing perception that anyone who reports on something odd or decries some governmental misdeed will appear unhinged. That way someone who actually does have legitimate news will have to work that much harder to appear credible.

The CIA has been there and done that in terms of investigating the validity of on-demand mind control and remote viewing and the best argument for it being nonsense is that it uses the technology like spy satellites and people on the ground instead of having a commune full of New Agers floating over to keep an eye on Putin.

[chefzombie]

someone else's belief in my talents isn't relevant to me. and i think it would be rude for me to demand that anyone believe me, kinda like people who demand that i believe in their god is rude. not my style.

[RCMerchant]

Wow, Barri, you can teach astral projection? Then your money woes are about to be forever over, since every intelligence service on the planet and every big corporation involved in industrial espionage (not to mention Ripley's Believe It Or Not!) will gladly pay you megabucks to do that, since apparently all their clinical trials of astral projection (tell us what's written on the white board in the next room....) went nowhere. 

I'm sure that the CIA would want to employ someone with that type of talent.

https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001900760001-9.pdf

Maybe I should say that I did have what certainly appeared to be an out of body experience when I was in labor with my first child in 2008, so I cannot dismiss that OBEs or convincing hallucinations of them exist.

That said...

My issue with all these alleged mind control/astral projection experts which urban legends tell us the CIA supposedly has is this: intelligence agencies invest millions of personnel hours per year in operations that annually see men and women no one will ever hear of leave behind families, children, friends and daily life, and in so doing see many sacrifice their lives for their country. If all it ever took was some hippie a***ole sitting in a room astral projecting over to see what the Chinese were doing, all those millions of (billable!) hours would be inefficient and those deaths would not only be needless, those who sent those people over to die would be cold blooded murderers.

A good rule of thumb is to pay more attention to what someone is doing than what someone is saying. If Haitians can really use voodoo for fun and profit, why do they live amid disease and poverty? Half the self-proclaimed casters of spells I knew in the Michael group and from other places, including friends of mine, are also poor and overweight and tend not to have what you'd call lives of success and happiness, so....physician heal thyself. (With a magic spell you say you can cast.)

Remember, the CIA authors a lot of its own bulls**t as part of psychological operations. It's cheap, it's useful, it builds a reputation for mystery and omnipotence, and it keeps the other side guessing: "If they're spending millions on out of body travel, Boris, maybe we better start spending too!"

One will find no more prolific liars on planet Earth than the CIA.

You know the term "tin-foil hat"? That reportedly relates back to a long-ago CIA operation by that name to discredit the counterculture and conspiracy theorists in general by advancing perception that anyone who reports on something odd or decries some governmental misdeed will appear unhinged. That way someone who actually does have legitimate news will have to work that much harder to appear credible.

The CIA has been there and done that in terms of investigating the validity of on-demand mind control and remote viewing and the best argument for it being nonsense is that it uses the technology like spy satellites and people on the ground instead of having a commune full of New Agers floating over to keep an eye on Putin.

If you die and go to Heaven- isn't that astral projection? 

[ER]

Dude, if EYE died and went to Heaven it wouldn't be astral projection, it'd be a freakin' miracle that'd shock the saints and make the devil say "no way!" as he took the red-hot pitch forks off the stove. 

[RCMerchant]

^ if you go anywhere after your dead- that's astral projection.
If you are a Christian- you believe in souls and out of body life. So you and the "hippies" got more in common then you know.
ME? I think we are all crazy.

I think we are all in our own private Overlook Hotel.

http://youtu.be/rjq1aTLjrOE

[Allhallowsday]

^ if you go anywhere after your dead- that's astral projection.

No it isn't. 

[RCMerchant]

^ if you go anywhere after your dead- that's astral projection.

No it isn't. 

So what is it?

[ER]

I don't think an astral body is usually held to be the same thing as a soul. Or an ethereal body either. I mean who knows?

I have always liked the idea that everyone has multiple souls within the body. Not saying I subscribe to the idea, just that I like it.

My innate conviction, despite many years of trying to suppress the notion, is that our consciousness survives physical death, though how that works I am clueless and anyone who claims to know is someone I tend to distrust. My adherence to Christianity, as you know, lies strictly in my acceptance that Jesus rose from the dead. Anyone who can do that is someone you want to listen to. Jesus rose from the dead, so I follow Jesus. He says he'll take away my sins, that's a good deal because I have a lot of sins.

But I got nothing against hippiekind and have friends from every spectrum of thought and belief and a lack of all belief.

[Paquita]

My husband's friend's wife, who is from the Philippines, said that she can astral project because she didn't grow up with fluoride in her water so her pineal (not penile) gland wasn't affected.  So, according to her, you can't astral project and have good teeth I guess.  I don't know if I buy it.

From what I heard about astral projecting or shape-shifting is that if you can do it, it's usually only to places or people you have a connection with, which would explain why we can't astral projectably spy on other countries.

Regarding the fat, poverty stricken hippie magicians.. what about the skinny Indian yogi holy men?  They're magic too.  I think the best example that magic is real is Glenn Danzig.  I'm pretty sure he did some deal with the devil to be super muscley, but then had some monkey's paw effect where he also had to be short.  He says he goes to the gym, but I've never seen him at the gym.  Where are the pictures?  There's like one picture from 1991.  You don't go to the gym once and have Danzig muscles. 

[RCMerchant]

ER- what is "hippie kind"? WTF is that?
Maybe I should call Christ a magic hippie?
Because of what Jesus did may not have been God given powers. It may be powers within yourself and by intense thinking you can release.
It's no more outlandish as Christ walking across water.
Myself- I don't know. I really don't care either. I know some places are haunted. That's all I really know.

[ER]

Aw, c'mon, Ron, you can figure out the word "hippiekind." T'aint one of my complex words like avothiog.

[ER]

My husband's friend's wife, who is from the Philippines, said that she can astral project because she didn't grow up with fluoride in her water so her pineal (not penile) gland wasn't affected.  So, according to her, you can't astral project and have good teeth I guess.  I don't know if I buy it.

From what I heard about astral projecting or shape-shifting is that if you can do it, it's usually only to places or people you have a connection with, which would explain why we can't astral projectably spy on other countries.

Regarding the fat, poverty stricken hippie magicians.. what about the skinny Indian yogi holy men?  They're magic too.  I think the best example that magic is real is Glenn Danzig.  I'm pretty sure he did some deal with the devil to be super muscley, but then had some monkey's paw effect where he also had to be short.  He says he goes to the gym, but I've never seen him at the gym.  Where are the pictures?  There's like one picture from 1991.  You don't go to the gym once and have Danzig muscles. 

I think if astral travel is real then it's probably a normal part of life and probably most common in parts of our sleep cycle. It might be one of the built-in functions of sleep. I've had dreams so vivid they've left me wondering it they weren't astral. I still remember one from the '90s where I was on this mountaintop in probably the most beautiful place I'd ever been, and  even now I can see see it when I think about it.

Glenn Danzig, yeah, his grandpa was Popeye.

[RCMerchant]

Aw, c'mon, Ron, you can figure out the word "hippiekind." T'aint one of my complex words like avothiog.

Yeah- I can figure out " hippie kind".
Dam. For some one who posts about odd things- your pretty narrow minded.

[ER]

Aw, c'mon, Ron, you can figure out the word "hippiekind." T'aint one of my complex words like avothiog.

Yeah- I can figure out " hippie kind".
Dam. For some one who posts about odd things- your pretty narrow minded.

Them's fightin' words, Michigan. My mind is as broad a the backside of the barn where the blues was born.