Looting

[Alex]

I don't agree with the looting (or for that matter the rioting). For some, it is just an opportunity to steal things and smash things up. For others, it is the only way they can strike back at a system they feel oppresses them, doesn't listen and doesn't care. I can understand people lashing out, often alas violence is the only way to get noticed. Historically, governments of all colours do tend to react in the short term with force against such things, but in the longer term to take steps to prevent it happening again.

[pennywise37]

well said, for those who are doing it right i praise them for others who aren't i dunno what else to say that hasn't been said already by me, you or really anyone with a brain who thinks that the looters are just plain idiots. i read a nice story the other night, a black women lost her dojo that her father created which isn't the nice part of course, but 2,000 miles away a woman saw her story and didn't know what to do but she felt she had to do something, so she created a go fund me page and it's i think at least count like up to $5 million bucks i think? i could be wrong but she wasn't sure if it was a joke.

so the woman who created it was able to contact her and it's legit she told the woman who lost her business the money is all yours. the woman with the dojo was helping kids stay off the streets and plus she's helped women from being raped cause they defended themselves from going to learn from her.

right now she's teaching in the park until thinks calm down and she can figure out where to rebuild. that's something i love to read about someone who actually gave a damn about someone else and wasn't in it for the glory or money.  we need more stories like this ya know?

[lester1/2jr]

from what I've seen on twitter, the media and left wing do NO want to discuss this issue

[pennywise37]

of course they don't that would mean if they did put a stop to the treatment of blacks people would actually get what they want & they than can't satisfy their rich racist friends. not that every one rich is racist but you know what i mean.

they need to discuss this, painting black lives matter don't mean jack sh*t that's not enough they actually have to do something about it

[RCMerchant]

from what I've seen on twitter, the media and left wing do NO want to discuss this issue

In a chaotic situation, there is always going to be bad people who will take advantage of a situation for personal gain.
I was watching a doc about how during WWII and the bombing of London, how criminals would loot peoples bombed out houses and businesses. Trump's response is not to address the problem that caused the protests- only how to suppress the protesters.
If the protests had not happened, I would bet even money not one of those cops would have been arrested.
For murder.
Yet in North Carolina, Nazi's can cause chaos- even kill a women. Where was the National Guard then? Oh yeah- they were "good people".  

[pennywise37]

that doesn't surprise me either but take any war and that will happen. in today's climate it feels like an excuse but back than in WW2  i can't say i blame them either,

[RCMerchant]

that doesn't surprise me either but take any war and that will happen. in today's climate it feels like an excuse but back than in WW2  i can't say i blame them either,

In WWII, the looters for the most part were not just regular folks. They were criminals who would rob and loot  to sell it on the black market. The looters today are  criminals doing the same thing.
Most of the protesters are NOT looters, or burning down stores.

[Alex]

It is interesting how much things are being concentrated on the looting part of things. Handily diverts things away from the core issue.

[RCMerchant]

from what I've seen on twitter, the media and left wing do NO want to discuss this issue

Trump's response is not to address the problem that caused the protests- only how to suppress the protesters.

Yeah.

[lester1/2jr]

It is interesting how much things are being concentrated on the looting part of things. Handily diverts things away from the core issue.

Totally disagree. to watch the media you'd think these were all peaceful protests and the police were spazzing out for some reason. meanwhile Anitfa is literally trying to take over the country or att least destroy as much as they can. and they're getting lots of help

Trump's response is not to address the problem that caused the protests

months of lockdown/ boredom, a long in the works plan to cause chaos

[Alex]

It is interesting how much things are being concentrated on the looting part of things. Handily diverts things away from the core issue.

Totally disagree. to watch the media you'd think these were all peaceful protests and the police were spazzing out for some reason. meanwhile Anitfa is literally trying to take over the country or att least destroy as much as they can. and they're getting lots of help

Trump's response is not to address the problem that caused the protests

months of lockdown/ boredom, a long in the works plan to cause chaos

There are peaceful protests going on? All I am seeing on the news is about the riots, nothing about any peaceful protests.


EDIT: Even after a Google search all I got was headlines about riots. Stopped looking after the third page so there might have been reports on non-violent protests buried after that.

[Alex]

Saw this article from 8 years ago.

2012 Is Bulls**t; 2020 Is When We'll Really Be in Trouble
Scientist Peter Turchin's work suggests that the next state of upheaval in the US is set to hit in 2020 based on historical violence cycles.
by Jamie Clifton
Oct 30 2012, 2:14pm
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Illustration by Daniel David Freeman

Peter Turchin is a Russian-American scientist who specializes in population biology and devises theories, backed by cumulative scientific evidence, that, in their essence, predict the future by tracking "temporally varying processes and the search for causal mechanisms" throughout history. He calls his field of study "cliodynamics," after Clio, the Greek Muse of history, and it's been getting a lot of attention lately following an article about his research in the science journal Nature.

Peter's work suggests that peaks of violence in the US work on a 50-year cycle, with the next state of upheaval set to hit humanity in 2020. It's sort of like that 2012 Mayan-apocalypse nonsense, except Peter's theory is the result of the hard work of a modern, living, and well-respected scientist rather than a bunch of dead Central American dudes whom hippies like to talk about while taking heavy psychedelic drugs. We spoke to Peter to find out what's supposedly going to make the US descend into a horrifying, dystopian pit of violence in eight years' time.

VICE: Can you humor me and explain your cliodynamic theory of violence in layman's terms?
Peter Turchin: Sure. Historical studies show that society goes through long-term cycles of violence: There's a build-up for roughly a century, then a period of violence, or upheaval, for ten or 15 years. Then people get tired of it and the next generation goes back to being peaceful. It's then the grandchildren of that generation—who never experienced the severity of upheaval firsthand—who are likely to start causing problems again. My theory suggests that it will be 2020 when the US hits a new peak of violence.

What does the term "violence" include in regard to your theory?
There are three distinct kinds of violence that I've included in my research. Firstly there is "groups on groups," which, in the case of modern-day America, would be riots. Then there is "groups against individuals," which would be lynchings and that kind of thing. Lastly, there is "individuals against groups," which are what we call rampage killings. We've seen a very fast rise recently in that last one. It's where one person mows down a group of people by himself, which is essentially terrorism, but it's not referred to as that here because it's American-on-American violence.

Like the Dark Knight shooting, for example?
Yes, exactly. Things like Columbine, Virginia Tech, and the Timothy McVeigh bombing might be better examples, because rampage attacks are usually directed toward large institutions, like the educational system or government. Those kinds of incidents have grown over the last generation by a factor of 20 or so.

In your view, what causes these upheavals?
Historically, the trouble has always come from people with power, and the number of those people who want the most power. There are too many political entrepreneurs who are all trying to get power, and they get frustrated, which is how revolutions start: when members of the elite try to overturn the political order to better suit themselves.

[lester1/2jr]

alex- what news are you watching

[claws]

There are peaceful protests going on? All I am seeing on the news is about the riots, nothing about any peaceful protests.


EDIT: Even after a Google search all I got was headlines about riots. Stopped looking after the third page so there might have been reports on non-violent protests buried after that.

They showed non-violent protests on the news here, beside the violent ones. The cop who joined the peaceful protesters is heart touching.

[lester1/2jr]

http://youtu.be/EIk_cZYgudQ