Zardoz (1974) on TCM Underground tonight Dec 3 2am

[Dr. Whom]

"hugely entertaining"
Steady on there, Reverend. It remains pretty pretentious and long winded at times.

[Allhallowsday]

"hugely entertaining"
Steady on there, Reverend. It remains pretty pretentious and long winded at times.

Like   all the time.

[Rev. Powell]

"hugely entertaining"
Steady on there, Reverend. It remains pretty pretentious and long winded at times.

Like   all the time.

I LOVE pretentious movies, as long as they're also completely crazy! Ken Russell is totally my jam. I don't find ZARDOZ too long-winded, though. It has a doldrum or two, but there's enough excitement in the rest for two movies. The site is devoted to appreciating bad movies!

[Allhallowsday]

"hugely entertaining"
Steady on there, Reverend. It remains pretty pretentious and long winded at times.

Like   all the time.

I LOVE pretentious movies, as long as they're also completely crazy! Ken Russell is totally my jam. I don't find ZARDOZ too long-winded, though. It has a doldrum or two, but there's enough excitement in the rest for two movies. The site is devoted to appreciating bad movies!

"Hugely entertaining" I think might've been hyperbolic.  In any case, I found it pretty boring but we agree it's bad.  And I love bad movies. Did I mention I love the ending? 

[Rev. Powell]

"hugely entertaining"
Steady on there, Reverend. It remains pretty pretentious and long winded at times.

Like   all the time.

I LOVE pretentious movies, as long as they're also completely crazy! Ken Russell is totally my jam. I don't find ZARDOZ too long-winded, though. It has a doldrum or two, but there's enough excitement in the rest for two movies. The site is devoted to appreciating bad movies!

"Hugely entertaining" I think might've been hyperbolic.  In any case, I found it pretty boring but we agree it's bad.  And I love bad movies. Did I mention I love the ending? 

We'll have to agree to disagree. I never thought I'd hear ZARDOZ referred to as "boring," but I guess the term is subjective. It's a cult movie for a reason; not everyone is on the same wavelength. I am. For me, I watch at least one movie a week that's more boring than ZARDOZ.

[LilCerberus]

Two words; Guns & girls
And so was El Topo

And, say it with me, There's only one reason I sat through all four hours of La Belle Noiseuse

[Allhallowsday]

...We'll have to agree to disagree.

About what?  I think you know it's bad...

...I never thought I'd hear ZARDOZ referred to as "boring," but I guess the term is subjective. It's a cult movie for a reason; not everyone is on the same wavelength. I am. For me, I watch at least one movie a week that's more boring than ZARDOZ.

You're on the same wavelength?  What wavelength might that be?   

Kind of can't believe you're defending ZARDOZ... and I like boring movies!   

[Morpheus, the unwoke.]

Love it or hate it, Zardoz! was not a normal movie. It was kind of a one of a kind movie, unique, not a remake or a rip-off of anything else.

For that alone it deserves some kudos.

[Rev. Powell]

...We'll have to agree to disagree.

About what?  I think you know it's bad...

...I never thought I'd hear ZARDOZ referred to as "boring," but I guess the term is subjective. It's a cult movie for a reason; not everyone is on the same wavelength. I am. For me, I watch at least one movie a week that's more boring than ZARDOZ.

You're on the same wavelength?  What wavelength might that be?   

Kind of can't believe you're defending ZARDOZ... and I like boring movies!   

Disagree about it being hugely entertaining. I say ZARDOZ is both bad and hugely entertaining, like PLAN 9 or THE ROOM. I'm on the wavelength of ZARDOZ lovers, you're not.

ZARDOZ has lots of defenders besides me.

https://nerdist.com/article/zardoz-insane-cult-classic-must-see/

[Dr. Whom]

Well, you have me at the 'hugely entertaining' bit. I do agree that Zardoz is certainly worth seeing, but recent movies I'd consider hugely entertaining are things like Everything Everywhere All At Once, or See How They Run, and I can't put Zardoz in the same category, not by a long way.
Perhaps I have less tolerance for pretentious movies. Back in high school with a bunch of mates we used to write stuff, and we thought we were so terribly clever. Zardoz reminds me of those days. Also, I don't buy the 'I meant it to be a parody all along' defence for one second.

[Rev. Powell]

Well, you have me at the 'hugely entertaining' bit. I do agree that Zardoz is certainly worth seeing, but recent movies I'd consider hugely entertaining are things like Everything Everywhere All At Once, or See How They Run, and I can't put Zardoz in the same category, not by a long way.
Perhaps I have less tolerance for pretentious movies. Back in high school with a bunch of mates we used to write stuff, and we thought we were so terribly clever. Zardoz reminds me of those days. Also, I don't buy the 'I meant it to be a parody all along' defence for one second.

Gives me an excuse to post an old article I wrote: https://366weirdmovies.com/in-defense-of-pretense/

[ralfy]

My favorite Boorman movie is still Point Blank, and I think what makes it admirable isn't that it's pretentious but is able to make you unaware of such:

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[Rev. Powell]

My favorite Boorman movie is still Point Blank, and I think what makes it admirable isn't that it's pretentious but is able to make you unaware of such:

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I love POINT BLANK, too.

[Morpheus, the unwoke.]

I liked Boorman's Excalibur.

[Dr. Whom]

Having read you article, I think we mean slightly different things by pretentious