Lets make a bad movie (part 2)

[Lancer]

By the looks of it our 'focus idea' is:

The old west...

Several Vampires travel to a little town in order to feast, but find everyone is already dead for weeks. Meanwhile, a special government spy is also sent to investigate the dead town. The spy is a also a werewolf... Why are those people dead? A fat man known as "The Burgomaster", a very smart 'mad' scientist has created the first bio-weapon, T-66 (Test 66), the weapon in theory could take out hundreds of soldiers and making them into mindless and very hungry living dead. The Burgomaster tested his bio-weapon on the little town.

Add to the focus idea... from Brother Ragnarok

Maybe instead of just one secret agent, a sort of SWAT team of werewolves... (or would it be intresting that a near by indian tribe are wolfin's)

Step 2 (working the forus into a story)

Now, I'm not asking that we should build a script (and in many cases most bad movies seems to lack a script)

But, we do need a story... So here is how it going to work...

Each of us will come up with at least 10 good ideas that should be in this movie... The ideas should only be 1 or 2 sentences long, the longer the better but not nessary... sometimes even 3 words are just good enought.

Thanks...

[Lancer]

Ok, my 10 ideas:

1... The leader of the vampires was a Union Captain durring the Civil War. He became a vampire durring the war. The Curse (as he calles it) saved his unit from death as well as himself... Also, durring that night, the 'Nightstalkers' savagly killed the enemy.

2... Unknown to the Union Captain... The vampire curse was a creation by "The Burgomaster" He called it LF-4 (Life Force 4), the prupose of the chemical is to help dying soldiers to live thru combat and become murdering mechines. The LF-4 has been very unsuccesful because the soldiers would turn to ash (this was because the chemical turns the soldiers into vampires and sun light kills them.)

3... Weeks earlier, a US Calvery passed by and reported the "Recent" dead town... the report assums that the murders were by a savage indian tribe... (this message was sent by morris code...) The US Calvery is now reported missing.

4... Special Agent __________, is also a Werewolf (known by the government) and as well as invisgator on Indian relations. He has knowlage of Indian Lore and knowlage about Wolfin's... Also he when thru with some battles of wolfin's from time to time.

(Busy at work will cont...)

[Lancer]

These are story ideas (at this point we are just tossing ideas up to see what we would like to make in the perfect bad movie)

Thanks...

5... The 'Nightstalkers' dosent know they are vampires.

6... One of the members of the 'nightstalkers' is a savage killer and is always fighting with the leader.

7... The Burgomaster, wants to conqure the world... He also created a anti-toxin AT-66 (Abort Test-66) and prevents T-66 into harming humans and live stock...

8... Werewolf agent battles Vampire Leader, intrupted by savage attacking living dead...

9... The living dead eats, and eats... killing some vampires... (I dont know if it makes any sence as of this time, but it could be very intresting to think about... also, the living dead is almost numbering 200 or so... Desert wilderness is the only thing containing them)

10... The longest night... as the vampire leader, werewolf agent, and a tribe of wolfins slay the living dead, and The Burgomaster.

[Evan3]

No no no. Only one werewolf.

At the end, Burgomaster is about to kill the vampire, when the evil dead kill him (the undead have no determination.

The Wolfman appears dead .  killed by vampire, but in the end he is alive.

Wolfman is a spy, sent by the Russians to steal Burgomaster's disease/weapon.

Vampires start out bad, but all but one or two combine to fight evil (AKA, an epiphany).

At the end, only lead vampire escapes, but now as a good guy, good set for a sequal.

Great fight scene, where vampires and werewolf have to team up to fight evil dead. Evil dead finally defeated by werewolves bomb which destroys all living flesh (they are the living dead).


Vampire has to be older than civil war, maybe back to Dracula's time

At the end, Burgomaster's hand thrusts itself out of the grave.

[Neville]

OK, I have (just) one idea to add. It is not exactly a subplot, not even a couple of scenes, but an idea that could make a good cliffhanger, if anybody needs one: At one point the FBI agent / werewolf could be investigating something and then... clang! thumb! Werewolf KO to the floor and fade to black, a la hard boiled novel.

Then he (it?) wakes up tied up and buried alive in an old SILVER mine near the village.

Haven't thought yet how he escapes, but you can always make a secondary character appear and rescue it.

Good luck with the project!

[Lancer]

Hay, this is the story part... we are tossing ideas here and finding out what sound better to work with.

There is no wrong answer here...

I hoping we could toss several ideas up and then see what we all like afterwords...

Please keep the ideas comming...

[Funk, E.]

Vamp's old wolrd illuminati Wolf new world indian. Industry vs nature motif. Vamps dead and unnatural. Wolf alive and nature protecting. United in common survival vs Undead and mad scientist. Vamps leader realizes that he's just fought a pro-nature war and needs to re-evaluate his purpose in life. Wolf dies in silver mine luring the undead so that the mine can be sealed.

Scene: Zombi knawing on Vamp who keeps regenerating after each bite from zombi.

Scene: Wolf "Are you crazy? You want me to go into a silver mine."
Vamp: "We a bunch of sun sensative vamps in the middle of a desert... what do you think... we're having fun?"

Scene: Mad Scientist to wolf: "Don't you understand? By turning the casualties of war into an army of undead we never have to loose more living soldiers. It's the ultimate in recycling."

Scene: Vamp to wolf "Tell you what, we'll make a bunch of silver coated stakes and that way we can both be f**ked! In the mean time can we get back to kicking some zombie ass, okay?"

Scene: "Stop eating us you idiot f**ks! We're already dead!"

[Funk, E.]

Scene: Mad scientist "Let's see... Stakes through heart for vamps, Bullet through brian for Zombies and Silver blades for Werewolves... damn this is getting complicated!"

[Brother Ragnarok]

1.  Vampires have anti-UV suits with filtering goggles, the whole bit, so they can emerge into daylight.  Zombies attack and puncture some of the suits, killing the vamps inside.  The suits would have to look very old-fashioned, obviously.  Something out of the old Wild Wild West TV show.

2.  Lone vamp gets cornered by zombies, tears the arm off one and goes to town on the others ala Father MacGruder.  Obviously minus the "I kick ass for the Lord" line.

3.  Burgomeister has an anti-vamp squad of zombies emblazoned with huge crosses on their heads and chests...unless we're going the non-religious crosses have no effect route.

4.  If a vampire was bitten by a zombie and not killed, would he turn into a mindless zombie with all of a vampire's powers?  A vampire berzerker would be very cool.

[Funk, E.]

Only if they succeeded in eating the Vamp's entire brain... :-)

[Evan3]

I just think that we shouldnt make the werewolf heroic, they never are, he wouldnt sacrifice himself, plus he is a spy, spies arent heroic.

I like the idea of the zombies with crosses (inevitably , they attack werewolf, who easily dispatches them.

How about, the rebel/evil vampire leads that zombie task force ,but is killed by lead vampire.

That would be a great scene where a vampire gets his brain eaten out, but i dont think vamps can turn into zombies.

[Lancer]

I could only guess that the Undead (vampire and Zombie) can kill each other, but they cannot be turned into the other...

But, A werewolf isn't the undead... so the werewolf could be turned into a zombie or vampire...

It would be intresting to see a zombie eat a vampire... but the vampire could turn into mist... or shape change into a bat...

[Evan3]

Vampires havent changed into mists or bats for years now, I think its better that way.

[Lancer]

Well, come to think of it... your right... I think most of the vampire movies from 1990's to now are a mirror copy of Ann Rice's Vampires... (well, it could be ealier if we think of Near Dark and The Lost Boys)

(slightly off topic here...)

This kind of remindes me on a vampire topic (that I made else where years back) It is the question of holy items and faith...

A cross (holy symbol) could be any item and the user must have faith in their belief so they could keep vampires at bay...

Also... comes to mind as a person is fighting a vampire and then grabs two candle sticks (making a cross notice that those objects are not holy) and uses his faith to keep the vampire at bay (famous in a Hammer Movie) I've seen many movies using two wooden sticks, and even a broken window frame.

It seems if the object is a cross it would always work. I disagree with that thought at many levels... the only movie that explains it as why its a cross is Dracula 2000... but that movie sucks...

So I came to think... why does the symbol has to be a holy object (I play a lot of RPG's mind you) as long as you have faith in your belief you could grab any object to use...

Example... I grab a TOASTER and has faith in my god that this object could put a vampire at bay... and because of my faith, the vampire runs away from me holding a TOASTER... Sure it sounds kind of funny but when you think of it, it sounds very logical...

[Funk, E.]

The Catholics interjected the effectiveness of their symbolism in the middle ages during the Black Death since Vampirism was one of the alleged folk causes. They also tacked on the Suicides and Witches become Vampires to discourage such things. Personally that argument never made any sense to me, but if you look at it in a good vs evil light then ANY religious symbol would have the same effect and that would make existence as a vampire particularly difficult. I think the fog and bat transformation thing was dropped because the effect was always so corny, but if you recall in Lost Boys at the beginning of the film the victims are swooped down upon and carried off into the air. So they did hold onto some part of the old folklore.