The Matrix Reloaded, bad CGI...

[JohnL]

Has anyone seen the ads for The Matrix Reloaded yet? If so, am I correct in thinking that during one of the fight scenes they showed (the one where Reeves is fighting with a pole/staff) he turned into a bad CGI character similar to the ones in Blade II? At one point he started to look like Gumby (jokes aside).

[Brother Ragnarok]

I don't know about that, but can anyone confirm the rumors I've heard that Daniel Bernhardt, a.k.a. Jean Claude Gosh Darn from Future War, has a fairly major role in the next two Matrix movies?

Brother R

[The Burgomaster]

Will the MATRIX movies go down in history as being classic examples of mega-hype?

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[ahab]

I don't know about that, but can anyone confirm the rumors I've heard that Daniel Bernhardt, a.k.a. Jean Claude Gosh Darn from Future War, has a fairly major role in the next two Matrix movies?

Brother R


i know he is playing one of the agents. don't know how big his role is.

[Susan]

CGI is in my opinion being "done to death" in current movies. Less is more, otherwise we might as well be watching a cartoon

[Skaboi]

I agree.  More so in horror films than in straight out action flicks.  I'd much rather have a latex monster than some CGI crap.

[Foywonder]

If you think the CGI in the new MATRIX looks bad then you just need to stop going to the movies because, like it or not, this is going to become the norm. Also, that is about the best CGI I've seen in quite sometime. Sheesh.

[kriegerg69]

No desire to see it.....I have the first MATRIX on dvd and wasn't that impressed with it overall. Watched it ONCE....great FX, but that's about it. In NO big hurry to see any of the sequels.

[Damien01]

Skaboi

I agree. More so in horror films than in straight out action flicks. I'd much rather have a latex monster than some CGI crap.

I think its cheaper today to do CGI then to make a latex monster.

[Fearless Freep]

All special effects require a certain suspension of belief because done well they will suffice but done poorly, they look pretty bad.

Which really looks worse:

A CGI shark in "Deep Blue Sea" or a plastic shark and stock footage in "Shark Attack 2"?

A CGI person falling off a building, or an underweight mannequion tossed of a building?

Godzilla as an obvious guy in a rubber suit tearing up a painfully obvious model Tokyo or Godzilla as an obvious CGI tearing up a painfully obvious computer model New York.

A CGI spider man flying around the city or a blue screen superman flying around the world?

A CGI Yoda or a puppet Yoda?



It all can look good, or not... really just depends on how much effort the filmaker puts into it and how much the audience is willing to forgive for the sake of the story

[Damien01]

Well there is good CGI and bad CGI...

Spiderman... Bad CGI

T2... Good CGI

Final Fantasy... Bad CGI

Monsters Inc., Toy Story, Shrek... Good CGI

Hercules... Bad CGI

Star Trek Next Generation... Good CGI

Worst uses of CGI... Removing weapons from hands and repace with walkie talkies (ET), add usless crap to (Star Wars).

Best use of CGI... Finishing a movie with a dead actor (The Crow), Making holes in impossable locations to look real (Death Becomes Her).

[Susan]

CGI doesn't equate to a better overall look. I've seen some movies where it looked so cartoonish that it completely took me away from the story. I'll take the dragon in "Dragonslayer" any day over "Dragonheart"

I don't think godzilla would have ever achieved cult status if not for the man in the rubber suit stombing on toy-size villages. While that is an extreme example of bad effects making a movie fun, just because it is NOT CGI doesn't mean that it looks fake. In many cases a movie has more atmosphere without all the computer graphics.

And yeah, unfortunately that is the cheaper way to go these days. More money in their pockets.

[Ash]

Obviously when it comes to opinions of The Matrix and it's sequels, it seems a given that most of you're gonna disagree with me.  Oh well....to each their own I say.

I look foward to this film & the next and will laugh at ALL of you when they gross millions!!!  (you know they will)


And I'd also bet that all or most of the people who put their 2 cents in on this post will go to see them.....

Am I wrong????

I think not.  

Another complaint.....I'm sick of people dogging Keanu Reeves.....I think he's a good actor and I hope that there are others here who admire him.   Don't be afraid to speak your mind fellow supporters!  Anyone who dogs him does so out of pure jealosy and/or envy as they wish they could've been the one cast in the role of NEO or any of his other roles.  (that probably isn't the reason you dislike him but hey...I had to throw something out there!)  (I'm sure most of you who disagree will use the above portion to quote me in their anti-opinions)

Even if you seriously don't like him, I DON'T CARE....I like him as an actor and I cannot and would not want to picture any other actor playing NEO.

Give the guy credit where credit is due.  Most of you will disagree with me and I have no problem with that.  But when those films gross MILLIONS like you & I know they will, Keanu & company will be laughing all the way to the bank while you sit at your computer wishing you were in his shoes!!!!!

lol!!!!

That's my opinion though.



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[Skaboi]

I don't like CGI all that much, but like Ash said, I am really excited to see this new Matrix.  I hated the first one the first time I watched it but it got increasingly better each time I watched it.  I now realized it's a solid SF/Fantasy film, which is why the CGI isn't so bad in a film of it's nature.  

Think of it this way.  They are in a world that is controlled by computers.  Everything, including themselves are a computer manifestation.  Therefore, if something does look like a fake CGI graphic, then it fits in pretty well with the flick.  Atleast, that's what I tell myself to keep it from bothering me. :o)

[Evan3]

> Another complaint.....I'm sick of people dogging Keanu
> Reeves.....I think he's a good actor and I hope that there are
> others here who admire him.   Don't be afraid to speak your
> mind fellow supporters!  Anyone who dogs him does so out of
> pure jealosy and/or envy as they wish they could've been the
> one cast in the role of NEO or any of his other roles.  (that
> probably isn't the reason you dislike him but hey...I had to
> throw something out there!)  (I'm sure most of you who disagree
> will use the above portion to quote me in their anti-opinions)

Ha, You have found a supporter. While I do not think Keanu does anything that anyone, maybe even you Ash, could do. However, as long as he chooses his roles wisely, he tends to be a competent actor. I think he was excellent in his last three roles (Matrix, Sweet November, the Replacements) and did a fine job in other fare like Devil's Advocate and Bill and Ted

However, Ash, you must remember, more so than other "mainstream"actors, he does choose some real crap (Chain Reaction and Siddartha come to mind) and he should never be allowed to do Shakespeare (Much Ado About Nothing: Starring: Denzel Washington, Susan Sarandon, Michael Keaton, Kenneth Branagh and KEANU FREAKIN NO ACCENT OR EMOTION REEVES).

That being said, I do like Keanu and think he is not that bad of an actor. He suffers from Britney Spears disease by having above average talent, but not great talent, but lots of money, which makes it socially acceptable to hate him, despite any competence he has.

I DID like Devil's Advocate alot actually.