what's your opinion on looting? I think its totally ridiculous and has nothing to do with anything, but I understand some people find meaning and so forth in it.
I can't imagine anyone here is in favor of looting. Looters are opportunistic crimnals taking advantage of the serious issue of police brutality.
If people want to run out acting like wild animals, stealing things, and destroying things that have nothing to do with their cause, then I have no sympathy for any of them that get hurt.
Unfortunately, there are always going to be people who take advantage of this kind of situation.
I understand the rage - American blacks are furious over decades of police brutality and society turning a blind eye - but in the end, I think looting and violence are counter-productive. They just give racist whites an excuse to dismiss the outrage that sparked this situation.
I may end up repeating myself, but there's a growing amount of evidence that the looters, vandals, the anarchists, etc., are not from here, or anywhere else that we're hearing of this sort of madness. :hatred:
We're seeing pictures & videos all over the country of pallets of bricks mysteriously appearing where there's no construction going on. :question:
The police & the eyewitnesses are confirming that. :buggedout:
Monday night, I watched a live streaming video of some AntiFa punk calling himself Justice Jenkins inciting a crowd, saying it was their "right" to tare down a confederate statue.
Again, not from this town.
Some of his cronies managed to climb on it with hack saws before they were gassed by the cops, and now mayor Levar Stoney is apologizing for the assault on these "peaceful" protesters by the police.
Whatever this is, it's bought & paid for, it's organized, very large, and it's very sick! :bluesad:
Frankly, I think a lot of the violence and destruction is also being done by the "jugaloos" or whatever it is they call themselves - far right extremists who are actively wishing for a war on blacks and "lib-ruls". They've been known to disguise themselves as Antifa activists before engaging in destructive activities.
I think the far right and the far left are both nuts.
Quote from: LilCerberus on June 02, 2020, 04:42:03 PM
I may end up repeating myself, but there's a growing amount of evidence that the looters, vandals, the anarchists, etc., are not from here, or anywhere else that we're hearing of this sort of madness. :hatred:
We're seeing pictures & videos all over the country of pallets of bricks mysteriously appearing where there's no construction going on. :question:
The police & the eyewitnesses are confirming that. :buggedout:
Monday night, I watched a live streaming video of some AntiFa punk calling himself Justice Jenkins inciting a crowd, saying it was their "right" to tare down a confederate statue.
Again, not from this town.
Some of his cronies managed to climb on it with hack saws before they were gassed by the cops, and now mayor Levar Stoney is apologizing for the assault on these "peaceful" protesters by the police.
Whatever this is, it's bought & paid for, it's organized, very large, and it's very sick! :bluesad:
That is the most contrived conspiracy bullsh!t I ever heard in my whole life.
Quote from: indianasmith on June 02, 2020, 06:37:38 PM
Frankly, I think a lot of the violence and destruction is also being done by the "jugaloos" or whatever it is they call themselves - far right extremists who are actively wishing for a war on blacks and "lib-ruls". They've been known to disguise themselves as Antifa activists before engaging in destructive activities.
I think the far right and the far left are both nuts.
Heard a rumor this morning that it's not just AntiFa & BLM, but also some Threepers & Proud Boys in the mix.... It looks nasty.
Quote from: RCMerchant on June 02, 2020, 06:48:17 PM
Quote from: LilCerberus on June 02, 2020, 04:42:03 PM
I may end up repeating myself, but there's a growing amount of evidence that the looters, vandals, the anarchists, etc., are not from here, or anywhere else that we're hearing of this sort of madness. :hatred:
We're seeing pictures & videos all over the country of pallets of bricks mysteriously appearing where there's no construction going on. :question:
The police & the eyewitnesses are confirming that. :buggedout:
Monday night, I watched a live streaming video of some AntiFa punk calling himself Justice Jenkins inciting a crowd, saying it was their "right" to tare down a confederate statue.
Again, not from this town.
Some of his cronies managed to climb on it with hack saws before they were gassed by the cops, and now mayor Levar Stoney is apologizing for the assault on these "peaceful" protesters by the police.
Whatever this is, it's bought & paid for, it's organized, very large, and it's very sick! :bluesad:
That is the most contrived conspiracy bullsh!t I ever heard in my whole life.
After I was citing photographic evidence & live videos.
Gee, now
you're sounding paranoid!
So you think the looting was organized?
Really? :question:
I thought it was a bunch of morons taking advantage of a bad situation by stealing sh!t.
Quote from: indianasmith on June 02, 2020, 06:37:38 PM
Frankly, I think a lot of the violence and destruction is also being done by the "jugaloos" or whatever it is they call themselves - far right extremists who are actively wishing for a war on blacks and "lib-ruls". They've been known to disguise themselves as Antifa activists before engaging in destructive activities.
I think the far right and the far left are both nuts.
^ What he said.
Quote from: RCMerchant on June 02, 2020, 07:23:59 PM
So you think the looting was organized?
Really? :question:
I thought it was a bunch of morons taking advantage of a bad situation by stealing sh!t.
I think you both may be right... I know YOU are.
It seems like lots of folks have to find a political stance to justify everything. From wearing masks to the Bible-and Trump holding a Bible and proclaiming himself a Christian is so far from reality it's like MAD magazine sh!t made real. You can't even satirize it because the reality is so obviously contrived bullsh!t.
But I reckon some folks got to blame their miserable life and shortcomings on someone else- because- hey! It can't possibly be because I'm an idiot!
Anything bad that came to me was because I made bad choices- I don't blame anyone for what happens in my life. I am the one who did what I did. I own up to it. I ain't gonna blame politicians, my so sad life, or anything else,for my short comings or whatever. Nazi's blamed Jews. Republicans blame Democrats. Democrats blame Republicans.
If I start making conspiracy theories for why things ain't the way I want them, well,... :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle:
That would be fun!
Lets try & reflect on eight years wherein one couldn't make a joke about some zoo primate that had to be put down for fear they might get a visit from the secret service, because, in a broad way, jokes about killing primates could somehow be misread as threats against the presidents life?
I don't know about you, but I found 2008-2016 to be eight very troubling years.
Quote from: LilCerberus on June 02, 2020, 08:32:17 PM
Lets try & reflect on eight years wherein one couldn't make a joke about some zoo primate that had to be put down for fear they might get a visit from the secret service, because, in a broad way, jokes about killing primates could somehow be misread as threats against the presidents life?
I don't know about you, but I found 2008-2016 to be eight very troubling years.
Man. Did I ever say I believed anything that came out of any politicians mouth? Your towing some one's line. Do you really believe that a spoiled brat rich boy cares about you? I think that the only thing in common you have with Trump is your insecure with yourself. Free yourself, man! I can say- "This guy was worse than me!" all day long- don't make what I do is a good thing.
Of course, I'm high! I don't know s**t!
http://youtu.be/M3-oZk-eOzY (http://youtu.be/M3-oZk-eOzY)
Quote from: LilCerberus on June 02, 2020, 08:32:17 PM
Lets try & reflect on eight years wherein one couldn't make a joke about some zoo primate that had to be put down for fear they might get a visit from the secret service, because, in a broad way, jokes about killing primates could somehow be misread as threats against the presidents life?
I don't know about you, but I found 2008-2016 to be eight very troubling years.
Yeh... stability... prosperity... very troubling. Unlike this very moment! I feel, I feel,
comforted. :teddyr:
obama wasn't the best president but at least we didn't any of this going on. he also wasn't the worst by far either Trump is the worst president in the entire history of our country. this does not even feel like America anymore.
Quote from: pennywise37 on June 03, 2020, 02:07:38 AM
obama wasn't the best president but at least we didn't any of this going on.
Wow, your eyes are wide shut today, aren't they?
QuoteWashington (CNN) President Barack Obama on Tuesday condemned the "criminals and thugs who tore up" the city of Baltimore on Monday night, after rioting and looting paralyzed the city and overwhelmed local officials.
...
Federal Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms arson investigators are aiding local authorities in investigating 60 fires — 10 structure fires like a CVS and a nursing home construction site, the others vehicles — in Baltimore on Monday night.
https://www.cnn.com/2015/04/28/politics/obama-baltimore-violent-protests/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2015/04/28/politics/obama-baltimore-violent-protests/index.html)
But who am I kidding? It's not like there are any Black Lives Matter folks that post in here or anything. :lookingup:
^ You never make any sense of who, what, or why, for your opinion.
i don't really have a favorite, but he was better than bush i think. and on they aren't if Obama was still the president and found out about the virus in November like Trump did he would have put precautions in place and i don't think it would have so far 1.8 Million people dead because of it. if we would have still gotten it i don't think the number would be nowhere near the number it is now.
unlike Trump who knew about it in November and than December and did nothing at all and look what did happen, he's a guy that i honestly don't think cares weather anyone lives or dies. he's a wanna be dictator and i don't like saying that about the president at all but that's what he is.
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But who am I kidding? It's not like there are any Black Lives Matter folks that post in here or anything. :lookingup:
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WTF is that supposed to mean? :hatred: My wife is black, as is my son's wife.
Your stupidity just hit another level.
RC, he is just trying to stir up trouble. I think you are the only person left though that generally responds to his posts.
Quote from: Alex on June 03, 2020, 06:51:52 AM
RC, he is just trying to stir up trouble. I think you are the only person left though that generally responds to his posts.
Yeah, I know. I'm sorry. :bluesad:
I just can't tolerate racism. :hatred:
Quote from: RCMerchant on June 03, 2020, 07:00:47 AM
Quote from: Alex on June 03, 2020, 06:51:52 AM
RC, he is just trying to stir up trouble. I think you are the only person left though that generally responds to his posts.
Yeah, I know. I'm sorry. :bluesad:
I just can't tolerate racism. :hatred:
Me too, but he unlike sven this guy just isn't worth the effort.
neither can i, i can't stand it either
Quote from: pennywise37 on June 03, 2020, 05:04:11 AM
i don't really have a favorite, but he was better than bush i think. and on they aren't if Obama was still the president and found out about the virus in November like Trump did he would have put precautions in place and i don't think it would have so far 1.8 Million people dead because of it. if we would have still gotten it i don't think the number would be nowhere near the number it is now.
unlike Trump who knew about it in November and than December and did nothing at all and look what did happen, he's a guy that i honestly don't think cares weather anyone lives or dies. he's a wanna be dictator and i don't like saying that about the president at all but that's what he is.
NOBODY knew about the virus in November, and for the record, the bamster didn't do squat about SARS, Zika, Swine flu, or the lousy dozen or so cases of ebola we had in the US.
Quote from: LilCerberus on June 03, 2020, 11:45:26 AM
Quote from: pennywise37 on June 03, 2020, 05:04:11 AM
i don't really have a favorite, but he was better than bush i think. and on they aren't if Obama was still the president and found out about the virus in November like Trump did he would have put precautions in place and i don't think it would have so far 1.8 Million people dead because of it. if we would have still gotten it i don't think the number would be nowhere near the number it is now.
unlike Trump who knew about it in November and than December and did nothing at all and look what did happen, he's a guy that i honestly don't think cares weather anyone lives or dies. he's a wanna be dictator and i don't like saying that about the president at all but that's what he is.
NOBODY knew about the virus in November, and for the record, the bamster didn't do squat about SARS, Zika, Swine flu, or the lousy dozen or so cases of ebola we had in the US.
Meanwhile, 100,000+ are dead from COVID 19.
thats another thing what happened to covid?
is it fair to say that the lockdowns are part of why these riots are so crazy?? people being stir crazy and so forth
the looting in Manhattan looks like baghdad 2003
http://youtu.be/scJMVfi0eBg (http://youtu.be/scJMVfi0eBg)
Quote from: lester1/2jr on June 03, 2020, 12:10:48 PM
is it fair to say that the lockdowns are part of why these riots are so crazy?? people being stir crazy and so forth
I do think that's part of it. Bad timing for bad times.
someone sort of looked at me funny for not wearing a mask like hello are you watching the news? lockdown is over, man
Quote from: lester1/2jr on June 03, 2020, 12:20:22 PM
someone sort of looked at me funny for not wearing a mask like hello are you watching the news? lockdown is over, man
Had that happen to me "once" in Walgreens...
In WalMart, things are worse than ever!
Quote from: lester1/2jr on June 03, 2020, 12:20:22 PM
someone sort of looked at me funny for not wearing a mask like hello are you watching the news? lockdown is over, man
Aren't you still supposed to be wearing a mask? Even though the lockdown restrictions are eased, we're still encouraged to wear masks in KY. It's not like the virus is gone and things are back to normal.
Quote from: Rev. Powell on June 03, 2020, 12:54:23 PM
Quote from: lester1/2jr on June 03, 2020, 12:20:22 PM
someone sort of looked at me funny for not wearing a mask like hello are you watching the news? lockdown is over, man
Aren't you still supposed to be wearing a mask? Even though the lockdown restrictions are eased, we're still encouraged to wear masks in KY. It's not like the virus is gone and things are back to normal.
Well, there's the option of practicing social distancing, which people try to observe in Walgreen's, Whereas in Walmart, I often
do wear a mask, as the mask laws, social distancing, good manners & common courtesy are pretty much up in the air...
i always wear a mask if i'm going out i don't in the car but once i leave the car i put one on. i don't like it but i do it
Quote from: indianasmith on June 02, 2020, 06:37:38 PM
Frankly, I think a lot of the violence and destruction is also being done by the "jugaloos" or whatever it is they call themselves - far right extremists who are actively wishing for a war on blacks and "lib-ruls". They've been known to disguise themselves as Antifa activists before engaging in destructive activities.
I think the far right and the far left are both nuts.
I think you're talking about Boogaloos. I only bother to mention it as jugaloo sounds like Juggalo, ICP fans. They're very much not in line with them, Juggalos are actually if anything left leaning and quite easy going (despite all the murder in their lyrics), which often surprises people.
I grew up in southeast Michigan near Detroit, so I knew a number of Juggalos growing up from the early days of ICP in the 90s. Some of them are pretty scuzzy, but I have a mostly positive opinion of them as a community. ICP had a song a few years ago about murdering people in a pickup truck with a Confederate Flag on it, as a bit of an idea on their leanings. Just a lighter note amidst all this.
i'm an ICP fan and i think that song is Called Confederate Flag i think? the reason i like their music is sometimes you want to take a break from songs about love or relationships and their song titles and lyrics make me laugh. they've got some pretty funny titles out there
Quote from: Alex on June 03, 2020, 07:55:16 AM
Quote from: RCMerchant on June 03, 2020, 07:00:47 AM
Quote from: Alex on June 03, 2020, 06:51:52 AM
RC, he is just trying to stir up trouble. I think you are the only person left though that generally responds to his posts.
Yeah, I know. I'm sorry. :bluesad:
I just can't tolerate racism. :hatred:
Me too, but he unlike sven this guy just isn't worth the effort.
nope. it's just a child in an adult's body. not evil, just stupid, and deliberately ignorant. don't let him bother you ronny, the grownups here agree with YOU.
I never liked Minneapolis. I like it even less on fire.
I don't know who's scarier though, the looters or the cops. They arrested a news crew live on camera that hadn't broken any laws.
They didn't even say what they're arresting them for, they just did it. And of course, it's thanks to a cop that this all started to begin with.
Even when the riots and protests are over and the virus is gone, I don't think I want to go back to Minneapolis for any reason.
If I even think about continuing college, it's going to be somewhere other than MCTC.
i think it's a little bit of both that are scary the cops and the looters, my only question is there are a lot of good cops out there but where the hell are they? you'd think they say to the news itself that enough is enough when it comes to any of this or going after innocent people who aren't doing nothing. i don't like reporters and they they are a pain but they don't deserve that either
I don't know if it's been said yet, but the video Trevor Noah put out recently puts it in perspective for me.
Like many white people, I stand behind the protests, but do they have to wreck buildings and burn things?
It's worth a watch -- google Trevor Noah and you'll see the video about George Floyd. It's about 20 minutes long -- it's very, very worth watching.
After watching that, I understand better about where the protestors come from, at least those who have experienced racism.
I suck at embedding links cause I rarely try to do it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4amCfVbA_c (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4amCfVbA_c#)
Edit: thanks Lilcerberus!
Quote from: pennywise37 on June 04, 2020, 04:34:48 PM
i think it's a little bit of both that are scary the cops and the looters, my only question is there are a lot of good cops out there but where the hell are they? you'd think they say to the news itself that enough is enough when it comes to any of this or going after innocent people who aren't doing nothing. i don't like reporters and they they are a pain but they don't deserve that either
my friend, they ARE out there, and they ARE speaking out, and joining the protesters. my owm police chief who came to us fro minnesota held a presser last week stating that what he saw in the video IS murder. cops across the country ARE listening, joining the protests, and being defended by the protesters from the sick people who are taking advantage and causing riots and looting. just look for it, you'll find it. GOOD cops ARE speaking out, and PEACEFUL protesters are taking control here and across the nation. look for the good stuff, it IS there.
that's the 1st thing i've heard about good cops and i'm so glad to hear that, i was thinking about one thing tonight and i'm white so i cannot ever know how bad a black person has it everyday. i can try to understand it but understanding it and going through it are completely different things, i may have said that before i can't remember. anyways i wonder if blacks feel at all if they are actually being listened to when they tell us how bad they truly have it.
i know on the news in the past they have had blacks tell it but i mean this is the 1st time i can think of in any history where people actually are listening and trying to put a stop to it, it's beautiful now all well need is for the looters to stop looting and stop setting fires, and the cops also stop attacking people for no reason at all.
on colbert tonight he showed footage of Nebraska having a dance contest with the cops it was funny as hell but i really loved seeing it.
the fact that in some states you have doing all that is messed up it feels like a horror movies with zombies am i right?
I'm going to say something really inflammatory and un-PC. If you watch the videos of looting, and there are many videos of looting online, the perpetrators are largely young black men. For a social subgroup that is the focus of this civil unrest, this isn't doing a terribly good job of dispelling the stereotype that caused it.
honestly i haven't watched much of it because honestly i haven't seen blacks do that but that doesn't mean they haven't. but than i haven't watched a lot of it because all it does it just really p**s me off on how the message that we are trying to send is getting through to some people but to others it's sending the wrong message.
having said that i had a good laugh tonight, when i saw this https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-melania-barron-were-rushed-225322538.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-melania-barron-were-rushed-225322538.html)
that had me laughing because can anyone remember anyone rushing towards the white house at all? not in my lifetime and i doubt in anyone else's on here either.
hmmm i wonder why?? ya know?
I don't agree with the looting (or for that matter the rioting). For some, it is just an opportunity to steal things and smash things up. For others, it is the only way they can strike back at a system they feel oppresses them, doesn't listen and doesn't care. I can understand people lashing out, often alas violence is the only way to get noticed. Historically, governments of all colours do tend to react in the short term with force against such things, but in the longer term to take steps to prevent it happening again.
well said, for those who are doing it right i praise them for others who aren't i dunno what else to say that hasn't been said already by me, you or really anyone with a brain who thinks that the looters are just plain idiots. i read a nice story the other night, a black women lost her dojo that her father created which isn't the nice part of course, but 2,000 miles away a woman saw her story and didn't know what to do but she felt she had to do something, so she created a go fund me page and it's i think at least count like up to $5 million bucks i think? i could be wrong but she wasn't sure if it was a joke.
so the woman who created it was able to contact her and it's legit she told the woman who lost her business the money is all yours. the woman with the dojo was helping kids stay off the streets and plus she's helped women from being raped cause they defended themselves from going to learn from her.
right now she's teaching in the park until thinks calm down and she can figure out where to rebuild. that's something i love to read about someone who actually gave a damn about someone else and wasn't in it for the glory or money. we need more stories like this ya know?
from what I've seen on twitter, the media and left wing do NO want to discuss this issue
of course they don't that would mean if they did put a stop to the treatment of blacks people would actually get what they want & they than can't satisfy their rich racist friends. not that every one rich is racist but you know what i mean.
they need to discuss this, painting black lives matter don't mean jack sh*t that's not enough they actually have to do something about it
Quote from: lester1/2jr on June 05, 2020, 08:30:55 PM
from what I've seen on twitter, the media and left wing do NO want to discuss this issue
In a chaotic situation, there is always going to be bad people who will take advantage of a situation for personal gain.
I was watching a doc about how during WWII and the bombing of London, how criminals would loot peoples bombed out houses and businesses. Trump's response is not to address the problem that caused the protests- only how to suppress the protesters.
If the protests had not happened, I would bet even money not one of those cops would have been arrested.
For
murder.Yet in North Carolina, Nazi's can cause chaos- even kill a women. Where was the National Guard then? Oh yeah- they were "good people". :hatred:
that doesn't surprise me either but take any war and that will happen. in today's climate it feels like an excuse but back than in WW2 i can't say i blame them either,
Quote from: pennywise37 on June 06, 2020, 12:26:30 AM
that doesn't surprise me either but take any war and that will happen. in today's climate it feels like an excuse but back than in WW2 i can't say i blame them either,
In WWII, the looters for the most part were not just regular folks. They were criminals who would rob and loot to sell it on the black market. The looters today are criminals doing the same thing.
Most of the protesters are NOT looters, or burning down stores.
It is interesting how much things are being concentrated on the looting part of things. Handily diverts things away from the core issue.
Quote from: RCMerchant on June 05, 2020, 11:41:19 PM
Quote from: lester1/2jr on June 05, 2020, 08:30:55 PM
from what I've seen on twitter, the media and left wing do NO want to discuss this issue
Trump's response is not to address the problem that caused the protests- only how to suppress the protesters.
Yeah.
QuoteIt is interesting how much things are being concentrated on the looting part of things. Handily diverts things away from the core issue.
Totally disagree. to watch the media you'd think these were all peaceful protests and the police were spazzing out for some reason. meanwhile Anitfa is literally trying to take over the country or att least destroy as much as they can. and they're getting lots of help
QuoteTrump's response is not to address the problem that caused the protests
months of lockdown/ boredom, a long in the works plan to cause chaos
Quote from: lester1/2jr on June 06, 2020, 01:15:35 PM
QuoteIt is interesting how much things are being concentrated on the looting part of things. Handily diverts things away from the core issue.
Totally disagree. to watch the media you'd think these were all peaceful protests and the police were spazzing out for some reason. meanwhile Anitfa is literally trying to take over the country or att least destroy as much as they can. and they're getting lots of help
QuoteTrump's response is not to address the problem that caused the protests
months of lockdown/ boredom, a long in the works plan to cause chaos
There are peaceful protests going on? All I am seeing on the news is about the riots, nothing about any peaceful protests.
EDIT: Even after a Google search all I got was headlines about riots. Stopped looking after the third page so there might have been reports on non-violent protests buried after that.
Saw this article from 8 years ago.
Quote2012 Is Bulls**t; 2020 Is When We'll Really Be in Trouble
Scientist Peter Turchin's work suggests that the next state of upheaval in the US is set to hit in 2020 based on historical violence cycles.
by Jamie Clifton
Oct 30 2012, 2:14pm
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Peter Turchin is a Russian-American scientist who specializes in population biology and devises theories, backed by cumulative scientific evidence, that, in their essence, predict the future by tracking "temporally varying processes and the search for causal mechanisms" throughout history. He calls his field of study "cliodynamics," after Clio, the Greek Muse of history, and it's been getting a lot of attention lately following an article about his research in the science journal Nature.
Peter's work suggests that peaks of violence in the US work on a 50-year cycle, with the next state of upheaval set to hit humanity in 2020. It's sort of like that 2012 Mayan-apocalypse nonsense, except Peter's theory is the result of the hard work of a modern, living, and well-respected scientist rather than a bunch of dead Central American dudes whom hippies like to talk about while taking heavy psychedelic drugs. We spoke to Peter to find out what's supposedly going to make the US descend into a horrifying, dystopian pit of violence in eight years' time.
VICE: Can you humor me and explain your cliodynamic theory of violence in layman's terms?
Peter Turchin: Sure. Historical studies show that society goes through long-term cycles of violence: There's a build-up for roughly a century, then a period of violence, or upheaval, for ten or 15 years. Then people get tired of it and the next generation goes back to being peaceful. It's then the grandchildren of that generation—who never experienced the severity of upheaval firsthand—who are likely to start causing problems again. My theory suggests that it will be 2020 when the US hits a new peak of violence.
What does the term "violence" include in regard to your theory?
There are three distinct kinds of violence that I've included in my research. Firstly there is "groups on groups," which, in the case of modern-day America, would be riots. Then there is "groups against individuals," which would be lynchings and that kind of thing. Lastly, there is "individuals against groups," which are what we call rampage killings. We've seen a very fast rise recently in that last one. It's where one person mows down a group of people by himself, which is essentially terrorism, but it's not referred to as that here because it's American-on-American violence.
Like the Dark Knight shooting, for example?
Yes, exactly. Things like Columbine, Virginia Tech, and the Timothy McVeigh bombing might be better examples, because rampage attacks are usually directed toward large institutions, like the educational system or government. Those kinds of incidents have grown over the last generation by a factor of 20 or so.
In your view, what causes these upheavals?
Historically, the trouble has always come from people with power, and the number of those people who want the most power. There are too many political entrepreneurs who are all trying to get power, and they get frustrated, which is how revolutions start: when members of the elite try to overturn the political order to better suit themselves.
alex- what news are you watching
Quote from: Alex on June 06, 2020, 01:21:00 PM
There are peaceful protests going on? All I am seeing on the news is about the riots, nothing about any peaceful protests.
EDIT: Even after a Google search all I got was headlines about riots. Stopped looking after the third page so there might have been reports on non-violent protests buried after that.
They showed non-violent protests on the news here, beside the violent ones. The cop who joined the peaceful protesters is heart touching.
http://youtu.be/EIk_cZYgudQ (http://youtu.be/EIk_cZYgudQ)
^ And still your President does nothing to address the problem. Even his own ex- cabinet members are condemning him.
I put no value in your opinion anymore. Your as blind as he is.
Quote from: lester1/2jr on June 06, 2020, 01:32:30 PM
alex- what news are you watching
From the first page of results (some of which are print as well as the video sources) the BBC, CNN, Bing, AOLNews, The Telegraph, The Express, Microsoft news, DailyMotion, Fox News, MSN, NBC & CBS. There are some articles on communities cleaning up afterwards, but I couldn't see anything on just peaceful protests.
I'd figured maybe the US domestic news was covering it differently from the world news, so checked out a few of their channels as well.
from Lester-
" meanwhile Anitfa is literally trying to take over the country or att least "
Where the hell are you getting ANTIFA from? Where? Show me ONE piece of proof of ANTIFA's involvement that isn't coming out of Rush Limburger's or Trump's mouth???
This is ANTIFA-
https://www.adl.org/who-we-are (https://www.adl.org/who-we-are)
So, unless you are a racist- you have nothing to fear from ANTIFA.
you would have to look at what antifa actually do as opposed to what they say they do.
^ Kinda like most political groups? :wink:
if Al capone had called his gang the real Nice Guys that wouldn't mean they were. or maybe they were I didn't know them
If you think Antifa is bad, wait until you hear about Fascist
the point is because they call themeelves something doesn't mean thats how they are defined. If I start a racist para military group and call it the kindness brigade tht doesn't mean it is one
Quote from: lester1/2jr on June 07, 2020, 01:20:17 PM
the point is because they call themeelves something doesn't mean thats how they are defined. If I start a racist para military group and call it the kindness brigade tht doesn't mean it is one
Kinda like The Alt-Right.
They picked a good name when it comes to fooling people, but when y' start doing some research, it turns out they're anything
"BUT" a right wing group!
What is it about them you don't think is right-wing out of interest?
Quote from: Alex on June 07, 2020, 04:18:41 PM
What is it about them you don't think is right-wing out of interest?
What do you think
"Alternative" means?
These guys are LBJ Dixiecrat liberals.
I have never heard of white supremacists or neo-Nazis referred to as being liberals before. Interesting. In this particular case, "alternative" was used as a euphemism for far-right groups. Normally I would say that alternative refers to a different option, however as is mentioned above, just because you call something by a name, doesn't make it so. All of the policies espoused by the alt-right that I can see are very traditional far-right views though, which is why I am curious as to which of their beliefs you don't think are right-wing? I am afraid I am not familiar with LBJ Dixiecrat Liberals.
The thing about the alt-right is they are populists and that changes the whole structure of their version of the right. They are generally not free market capitalist for example.
i just saw this title i didn't read the article cause it sickened me but here it is https://www.yahoo.com/gma/acting-dhs-secretary-claims-no-systemic-racism-problem-130200643--abc-news-topstories.html (https://www.yahoo.com/gma/acting-dhs-secretary-claims-no-systemic-racism-problem-130200643--abc-news-topstories.html)
says a white rich guy who has never had the kind of issues blacks face every day
What gets me though, is it seems that more often than not when these riots occur (and I am not just talking about the US here), the death that inspires the protests quite often appears to be a criminal, and not just someone doing some minor offence either. There were some race riots in the UK about 10 years ago or so after some gang member was killed. I'd have to admit that I don't quite understand why the death of such a person would have such a reaction, compared to the death of a more innocent person. In this latest case, I've been told (haven't fact-checked it myself so I couldn't say for sure), that we have a career criminal whose exploits include breaking into a house and threatening a pregnant woman with a gun.
If that is true it is hardly the kind of person I would say is worthy of this degree of martyrdom, say compared to the guy who was shot just for walking along a street.
By all means, protest about your treatment if you feel society is being brutally unfair, but pick your heroes a bit more carefully and don't make icon's out of bad guys.
yes, alex, that DID happen in his past. he moved to minneapolis 6 years ago, after he got out of jail, to change his life, and he WAS doing that. there is no proof that he knew he was using a counterfeit bill. i got one from an ATM a couple of years ago, nobody had ME arrested when i tried to spend it, they just told me it was fake and had me take it to the police station, and i paid for my meal with a different bill. the cops thanked me for turning it in, and got the info of which machine it was, etc.. NOTHING happened to me, and it's probably because i'm a tiny old WHITE lady.
did he have drugs in his system, yes he did. so do i, so does ronny, LOTS of people take drugs for LOTS of different reasons. and NOBODY seems to want to find out if the fentanyl he took was taken legally, which seriously peeves me. he WAS trying to change his life, and that's a big part of the protests in my city.
and in reference to looters, the quiktrip that was looted here, when you look at the security footage, most of them were young white people. and none of them can be seen in the film from the earlier peaceful protest. the protests here in my city were all peaceful, and there was almost no looting, largely because of the young people who organized the protests doing their own" policing" of the people there. the cops had a few incidents of violence toward them and they have been quick to say that they DON'T think it was by real protesters. and they dealt with it with NO violence on their part.
sorry, rant over.
you can rant all you want i do and so does everyone here, i was briefly talking to some dude who i am 100% sure is a Trump supporter that said very nicely to give him credit why don't you like him and list 3 reasons i listed a crap load of stuff he's done and said even further why i don't like him than he says those aren't reasons so i listed even more.
he also said that there are no peaceful protests i said yes there are and also put in about those guys protecting that cop and that they don't show it on tv cause that's not high ratings. but it is out there and there are cops who aren't attacking people such as in Nebraska last week they had a dance contest with the protesters i saw footage on Kimmel.
funny thing he never did respond after i listed all the things he's done so far well that i could remember, he said that wasn't tear gas that was used on those people at the photo op i said yes it was the chemicals that were used if they make your eyes tear like that it's it's tear gas. funny thing i never did hear back from him imagine that. did anyone see that White Politican sorry for my bad spelling say oh i don't think we have a problem with the way blacks are treated
i to myself you son of a bi**h he's a rich white guy so of course he's not gonna have the same problems have every day
George Floyd was an Ex-Con ? well that i didn't know but than i haven't looked it up either. still he went straight and was making a life for himself and his family.
it's still messed up that he was killed. i listen to a podcast though they haven't had a new episode in i think a year or so called WTF and i miss it actually.
and one of the guys that is on there always talks about having another Civil war and he doesn't mean another war per say like we had way back in the 1800's.
he just means about well things happening now for example. this is like 50 or more years in the making and i think it was going happen eventually.
anyways we went out tonight and bought some Chinese for dinner & than stopped to get some milk & we were the only ones in there who wore a mask that just is disgusting to me. i knew this was gonna happen, when they start to open more stuff people are gonna be so stupid and think the threat is over now and it's not.
not at all, a friend of mine has the virus now i just learned last night, he works in a nursing home for a living and he ended up getting it there apparently. i hope he can get over it cause he's a good guy
This kind of violence against unarmed blacks has been going on for decades.
I just watched a program about the case of Amadou Diallo, who was standing in front of his apartment door, and was shot at by 4 police officers 41 times, 19 hitting and killing him.
41 times. All 4 of those officers were aquitted.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Amadou_Diallo
that's just insane my question is why didn't the outrage and all this happen than? and police should go to jail when sh*t like this happens they should not even be still allowed to even have a badge at all they all should be in jail for life
this video, which is not behind a paywall or wasn't, is pretty instructive
https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000007159353/george-floyd-arrest-death-video.html (https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000007159353/george-floyd-arrest-death-video.html)
Basically, it was a nondescript and fairly well justified arrest. The problem started when, after getting him in the car they pull him out the other side and put him on the ground for reasons no one can explain
I think the character of the victim is irrelevant. I have not heard nor seen any evidence that warranted these police actions. Once he was arrested, they killed him. It looks like murder to me and much of the world.
Quote from: Alex on June 08, 2020, 12:43:38 PM
What gets me though, is it seems that more often than not when these riots occur (and I am not just talking about the US here), the death that inspires the protests quite often appears to be a criminal, and not just someone doing some minor offence either. There were some race riots in the UK about 10 years ago or so after some gang member was killed. I'd have to admit that I don't quite understand why the death of such a person would have such a reaction, compared to the death of a more innocent person. In this latest case, I've been told (haven't fact-checked it myself so I couldn't say for sure), that we have a career criminal whose exploits include breaking into a house and threatening a pregnant woman with a gun.
If that is true it is hardly the kind of person I would say is worthy of this degree of martyrdom, say compared to the guy who was shot just for walking along a street.
By all means, protest about your treatment if you feel society is being brutally unfair, but pick your heroes a bit more carefully and don't make icon's out of bad guys.
Usually these things happen because of simmering anger set off, no one plans it and no one can really control it. So it's almost happenstance who gets elevated into an icon. George Floyd happened because we had such an excruciatingly long video of a man dying WITH people telling the police to stop. Who Floyd was at that point became irrelevant, he became a symbol.
The Ferguson riots here in STL are a similar example - the police department had been handling a multitude of things poorly for like 20 years (essentially fleecing locals for money, the way they did financial enforcement), completely destroying local trust in police. To the point where people instantly believed a multitude of blatantly false and provably untrue things about the shooting of Michael Brown. The eyewitness statements are fascinating, often obviously contradicting each other in ways that can't be attributed entirely to bad memories or bad perception, usually to back up early reports of things that make the police officer look as bad as possible. People are STILL doing the "hand up, don't shoot" thing now at the current Floyd protests - that was part of the early reporting of the shooting of Brown, but it almost certainly didn't happen. People turned it into the symbol of how they felt the police treated them anyway, so there it stays.
I agree that he did not deserve to be killed the way he was, there was no justification for it, and it is murder. Wither or not he had any drugs in his system I find irrelevant. I understand that the police officer in question has a history of violent conduct (again not something I have fact-checked). However, this is something my brother posted today.
QuoteNicholas Heyward was shot and killed by a police officer while playing cops and robbers with his friends in Gowanus. His last words were "We're playing."
Tamir Rice was shot and killed by a police officer while playing in a Cleveland park. The cop fired less than 2 seconds after arriving on the scene.
Tyre King was shot multiple times and killed by a police officer when they believed he matched the description for a robber in the neighborhood. He was 5ft tall and weighed less than 100 pounds. The robber being investigated had stolen $10.
Aiyana Stanley-Jones was shot and killed by a police officer when, while investigating a local shooting, they bust into her home without warning and fired within seconds. She was SLEEPING. She was SEVEN YEARS OLD. And the whole thing was getting filmed for a true crime TV show.
Trayvon Martin was shot and killed by a neighborhood watch volunteer while walking home. The shooter claimed to act in self defense. Martin was holding a bag of Skittles and an Arizona Ice Tea.
Cameron Tillman was shot and killed by a police officer while hanging out with his friends in an abandoned house with the owner's consent. He was alive for at least 45 minutes. The officers offered no medical assistance.
Jordan Edwards was shot and killed by a police officer in the passenger seat of a car while leaving a party. The car was driving AWAY from the cops and the officer fired inside the car under the grounds that the car had backed up towards him "in an aggressive manner."
Kiwane Carrington was shot and killed by a police officer outside a house in broad daylight while the cop was investigating a suspected break in. Carrington was known to the house's owner and welcome there.
Laquan McDonald was shot and killed by a police officer while under investigation for slashing a squad car's tires. He was shot SIXTEEN TIMES while walking AWAY from the officer.
DeAunta Farrow was shot and killed by a police officer while walking in the park. The officer claimed Farrow had a toy gun, while witnesses claimed he was holding a bag of chips.
All children. All unarmed.
#blacklivesmatter
I can understand protesting and rioting for any of these cases. I understand and agree with people fighting for better treatment but to do it in this guys name compared to the people above seems odd to me.
^ Perhaps it's just the straw that broke the camel's back....again....
Quote from: Alex on June 09, 2020, 02:00:58 PM
I agree that he did not deserve to be killed the way he was, there was no justification for it, and it is murder. Wither or not he had any drugs in his system I find irrelevant. I understand that the police officer in question has a history of violent conduct (again not something I have fact-checked). However, this is something my brother posted today.
QuoteNicholas Heyward was shot and killed by a police officer while playing cops and robbers with his friends in Gowanus. His last words were "We're playing."
Tamir Rice was shot and killed by a police officer while playing in a Cleveland park. The cop fired less than 2 seconds after arriving on the scene.
Tyre King was shot multiple times and killed by a police officer when they believed he matched the description for a robber in the neighborhood. He was 5ft tall and weighed less than 100 pounds. The robber being investigated had stolen $10.
Aiyana Stanley-Jones was shot and killed by a police officer when, while investigating a local shooting, they bust into her home without warning and fired within seconds. She was SLEEPING. She was SEVEN YEARS OLD. And the whole thing was getting filmed for a true crime TV show.
Trayvon Martin was shot and killed by a neighborhood watch volunteer while walking home. The shooter claimed to act in self defense. Martin was holding a bag of Skittles and an Arizona Ice Tea.
Cameron Tillman was shot and killed by a police officer while hanging out with his friends in an abandoned house with the owner's consent. He was alive for at least 45 minutes. The officers offered no medical assistance.
Jordan Edwards was shot and killed by a police officer in the passenger seat of a car while leaving a party. The car was driving AWAY from the cops and the officer fired inside the car under the grounds that the car had backed up towards him "in an aggressive manner."
Kiwane Carrington was shot and killed by a police officer outside a house in broad daylight while the cop was investigating a suspected break in. Carrington was known to the house's owner and welcome there.
Laquan McDonald was shot and killed by a police officer while under investigation for slashing a squad car's tires. He was shot SIXTEEN TIMES while walking AWAY from the officer.
DeAunta Farrow was shot and killed by a police officer while walking in the park. The officer claimed Farrow had a toy gun, while witnesses claimed he was holding a bag of chips.
All children. All unarmed.
#blacklivesmatter
I can understand protesting and rioting for any of these cases. I understand and agree with people fighting for better treatment but to do it in this guys name compared to the people above seems odd to me.
This one was caught on video. In many of the other cases, pro-police people had ambiguity to argue that the cops were probably within their rights, or may have made bad decisions under stress but weren't evil or motivated by racial animosity. We had a guy on this forum arguing that it was perfectly reasonable to shoot Trayvon Martin, for example. This case was unambiguously and unquestionably horrifying, and even the police's biggest defenders had to admit that it was inexcusable.
And to add to the above: the evidence was so overwhelming in this case that large numbers of white protestors joined the black ones, which didn't happen in previous protests. (Believe me, every one of those cases Alex listed sparked protests, just not this large).
are they all black? ya know apparently these protesting isn't getting the cops to listen at all cause they are killing people left and right and some cops can go their entire career without firing their gun at all i wonder how many have had to break that rule?
did you see Biden give that speech? ya know what ? say what you will by the guy he actually did a heartfelt speech and didn't mess up at all and he was right too
i fully expect a huge amount of violence in tulsa next friday. and i expect it will NOT be started by protesters either.
penny, i hope your friend gets better and has no bad effects down the line!
It is strange times indeed when a statue of Winston Churchill is being "protected" by people doing Hitler salutes. I wonder if they know what Churchill did and who he was?
Meanwhile, a statue of Robert the Bruce has been vandalised in Scotland with claims that he was a racist king and BLM hashtags.
Quote from: Alex on June 13, 2020, 04:19:21 PM
It is strange times indeed when a statue of Winston Churchill is being "protected" by people doing Hitler salutes. I wonder if they know what Churchill did and who he was?
What? What morons! :bouncegiggle:
i really know very little when it comes to Churchill but even i know that he worked for the good guys during WW2. i'm sorry anyone who salutes to hitler or is a nazi in my opinion anyways gave up their right to be called an American. i wonder how they would react if they actually were around when all that did happen during WW2 would they still salute Hitler? or would they be running from him?
^ That was in Great Britain, not the USA.
For a better understanding of Churchill's views on race- read this-
https://winstonchurchill.hillsdale.edu/white-supremacy/
What bothers me the most about the removal of all these confederate flags and statues is not their removal, it's that it will stir these Nazi morons into more extreme actions in response.
Investigations into alleged officer misconduct not enough for man permanently injured during curfew
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/investigations-alleged-officer-misconduct-not-enough-man-permanently-125200300--abc-news-topstories.html (https://www.yahoo.com/gma/investigations-alleged-officer-misconduct-not-enough-man-permanently-125200300--abc-news-topstories.html)
...Feldmann said he was leaving his friends' house on May 30 and was walking to his car at around 9:30 p.m. before he was allegedly shot. Earlier that day, the city had seen protests in the wake of Floyd's death. But by the time Feldmann had stepped out, he said the crowds had mostly dispersed. A curfew was in effect at 8 p.m. that evening...
He walked what he said was about 30 or 40 feet before seeing "a truck full of cops" drive around the corner.
Feldmann said he did not see anyone peacefully protesting, let alone being violent. But when he arrived at the corner of Grant Street and Colfax Avenue, he was, as he describes, suddenly shot in the eye.
"I can't really work my head around the fact that I wasn't even protesting, and I still got shot in the eye and now I'm blind," he said. "I don't have any explanation as to why they did that and they haven't come forward with an explanation..."
:hatred:
Officials respond to videos of state troopers puncturing and slashing reporters' parked car tires
[url]https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/6/8/1951555/-Video-of-state-troopers-slashing-and-puncturing-protesters-and-reporters-cars-tires-goes-viral?detail=emaildkbow1]https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/6/8/1951555/-Video-of-state-troopers-slashing-and-puncturing-protesters-and-reporters-cars-tires-goes-viral?detail=emaildkbow1]
[url]https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/6/8/1951555/-Video-of-state-troopers-slashing-and-puncturing-protesters-and-reporters-cars-tires-goes-viral?detail=emaildkbow1 (http://[url=https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/6/8/1951555/-Video-of-state-troopers-slashing-and-puncturing-protesters-and-reporters-cars-tires-goes-viral?detail=emaildkbow1)[/url]
As protesters hit the streets night after night last weekend and reporters followed to cover the events, law enforcement agencies went out to do their own type of vandalism: slashing and puncturing people's tires. Mother Jones has published a video collection showing these brave American law enforcement apples systematically destroying reporters' and protesters' vehicles. "In the videos, officers puncture tires in a K-Mart parking lot on May 30 and a highway overpass on May 31. Both areas briefly turned into police staging grounds near protest hot spots..."
If you follow the link, there is an interesting video of COPS slashing tires systematically... WTF??? Are we in Nazi Germany or is it Fascist Italy??? :hatred:
that same friend was asked the other day to take his confederate flag off his truck apparently. i was talking to a nice guy on you tube about a week or two ago and he was saying he's from the south and they still are p**sed they lost i said that was over 150 years ago and he goes it doesn't matter there are people who are still mad about it. see on how i see it as i've not from the south i don't get why anyone would still be mad about something that happened way way way etc.. before you were born in fact over a century before you were born. when you talk about slaves that's a lot different i think on how wrong it was that we even ever had any at all.
but i'm not from the south so i dunno what i'd think if i was from there. the guy i talked to pretty much from how i read it was he really couldn't care less cause he never said that it was important to him. he was nice about it actually and i give him props major props on that one wonders what the world would be like had they actually won
Quote from: Alex on June 13, 2020, 04:19:21 PM
It is strange times indeed when a statue of Winston Churchill is being "protected" by people doing Hitler salutes. I wonder if they know what Churchill did and who he was?
(https://i.imgur.com/EWzofnk.jpg) (https://lunapic.com)
Quote from: pennywise37 on June 14, 2020, 01:39:32 PM
that same friend was asked the other day to take his confederate flag off his truck apparently. i was talking to a nice guy on you tube about a week or two ago and he was saying he's from the south and they still are p**sed they lost i said that was over 150 years ago and he goes it doesn't matter there are people who are still mad about it. see on how i see it as i've not from the south i don't get why anyone would still be mad about something that happened way way way etc.. before you were born in fact over a century before you were born. when you talk about slaves that's a lot different i think on how wrong it was that we even ever had any at all.
but i'm not from the south so i dunno what i'd think if i was from there. the guy i talked to pretty much from how i read it was he really couldn't care less cause he never said that it was important to him. he was nice about it actually and i give him props major props on that one wonders what the world would be like had they actually won
Many Southerners see the Confederate battle flag as emblematic of Southern culture and pride, but the problem is to African Americans - at least, to many of them - it's as vile a symbol of hate as the swastika. I'm not for erasing history, but it is high time we retire the Confederate flags and statues to the battlefields and memorials of the Civil War and quit flying them on trucks, at sporting events, etc. It's patently offensive to a large percentage of the population, and brings back memories of Klan rallies, lynchings, and Jim Crow laws.
I actually wrote a whole blog post about it earlier this week:
www.lewisliterarylair.blogspot.com (http://www.lewisliterarylair.blogspot.com)
one of the funniest things i've ever heard anyone say was when Chris Rock said on one of his albums from one his HBO specials and he talks about how blacks are being called African Americans he goes why are we called that? i'm not from Africa i've never been there in my life i'm from the US Of A. i'm an american not an African American. and well he's right i never got why term is used either.
anyways jokes aside. and you know i can totally see that, i think it's about time we should give blacks the respect they deserve, i mean as a country the cops instead of going after them because they are black. i'm sure there will be things that will sometimes happen if cops misunderstand a situation but that also can happen to any cop regardless of the color of their skin. now going shooting in and doing all that they currently are doing to blacks & plus you have these white women are for some reason see a black man and than call the cops, i saw on yahoo news that some dumb B... called the cops on their neighbor because he wrote black lives matter on his own property. uh WHY? WHY exactly does the cops need to be called? i didn't read the article so i'm not sure on the color of the guys skin.
but if he was doing it on her property than she would have a right to do it but if it's on his own property i would post what i really think of her but that would be a lot of bleeps lol. did anyone see that BS?
the confederate flags seems like a symbol of southern pride and I dont see a problem with that. I'm not from the south and can't relate but whatever happened historically can't erase peoples love for their homeland and culture
Quote from: lester1/2jr on June 14, 2020, 08:34:14 PM
the confederate flags seems like a symbol of southern pride and I dont see a problem with that. I'm not from the south and can't relate but whatever happened historically can't erase peoples love for their homeland and culture
Uh. Don't you read what anyone else writes?
Indy is a Texan; read what he wrote above. :lookingup:
Quote from: Allhallowsday on June 14, 2020, 09:49:12 PM
Quote from: lester1/2jr on June 14, 2020, 08:34:14 PM
the confederate flags seems like a symbol of southern pride and I dont see a problem with that. I'm not from the south and can't relate but whatever happened historically can't erase peoples love for their homeland and culture
Uh. Don't you read what anyone else writes? Indy is a Texan; read what he wrote above. :lookingup:
It's a bit like saying the Nazi flag is just an emblem of German pride. Someone would really believe that and legitimately not be anti-Semitic, but it doesn't change the fact that its enormously offensive to others. People can love the South if they want to, but not the Confederacy, a country that 1) was founded on totally evil principles and 2) was an enemy of the country they're currently citizens of. There are a lot of ignorant white Southerners who don't see the disconnect there. You can't love America and love the Confederate flag, too.
i agree & Germany apparently it's Illegal to have a swastika there cause they want nothing to do with that era of their history. honestly who can blame them"
just like you can't be an American and be a nazi too that's my opinion anyways.
Quote from: Rev. Powell on June 14, 2020, 10:10:19 PM
Quote from: Allhallowsday on June 14, 2020, 09:49:12 PM
Quote from: lester1/2jr on June 14, 2020, 08:34:14 PM
the confederate flags seems like a symbol of southern pride and I dont see a problem with that. I'm not from the south and can't relate but whatever happened historically can't erase peoples love for their homeland and culture
Uh. Don't you read what anyone else writes? Indy is a Texan; read what he wrote above. :lookingup:
It's a bit like saying the Nazi flag is just an emblem of German pride. Someone would really believe that and legitimately not be anti-Semitic, but it doesn't change the fact that its enormously offensive to others. People can love the South if they want to, but not the Confederacy, a country that 1) was founded on totally evil principles and 2) was an enemy of the country they're currently citizens of. There are a lot of ignorant white Southerners who don't see the disconnect there. You can't love America and love the Confederate flag, too.
Well, you can - and many people do. It just makes no sense if you understand the history!
Quote from: indianasmith on June 15, 2020, 08:35:57 AM
Quote from: Rev. Powell on June 14, 2020, 10:10:19 PM
Quote from: Allhallowsday on June 14, 2020, 09:49:12 PM
Quote from: lester1/2jr on June 14, 2020, 08:34:14 PM
the confederate flags seems like a symbol of southern pride and I dont see a problem with that. I'm not from the south and can't relate but whatever happened historically can't erase peoples love for their homeland and culture
Uh. Don't you read what anyone else writes? Indy is a Texan; read what he wrote above. :lookingup:
It's a bit like saying the Nazi flag is just an emblem of German pride. Someone would really believe that and legitimately not be anti-Semitic, but it doesn't change the fact that its enormously offensive to others. People can love the South if they want to, but not the Confederacy, a country that 1) was founded on totally evil principles and 2) was an enemy of the country they're currently citizens of. There are a lot of ignorant white Southerners who don't see the disconnect there. You can't love America and love the Confederate flag, too.
Well, you can - and many people do. It just makes no sense if you understand the history!
Yes, I meant you can't love both and be logically and morally consistent. Many Southerners do indeed love the USA, but somehow don't see the rather obviuous contradiction involved in honoring the Confederacy. Blind spots are amazing things.
It's all part of what may be the most effective revisionist history propaganda campaign in American history.
http://youtu.be/9_h1vwDKH6s (http://youtu.be/9_h1vwDKH6s)
allhallows - I'm sure he'll agree he doesn't speak for every single person in his region.
People don't have to LIKE the confederate flag but its no ones business if someone wants to raise it.
you guys are taking the easy road. liberals condemning the confederacy: is that not the most obvious possible response? maybe dig a little deeper
Quote from: Rev. Powell on June 15, 2020, 11:49:26 AM
Quote from: indianasmith on June 15, 2020, 08:35:57 AM
Quote from: Rev. Powell on June 14, 2020, 10:10:19 PM
Quote from: Allhallowsday on June 14, 2020, 09:49:12 PM
Quote from: lester1/2jr on June 14, 2020, 08:34:14 PM
the confederate flags seems like a symbol of southern pride and I dont see a problem with that. I'm not from the south and can't relate but whatever happened historically can't erase peoples love for their homeland and culture
Uh. Don't you read what anyone else writes? Indy is a Texan; read what he wrote above. :lookingup:
It's a bit like saying the Nazi flag is just an emblem of German pride. Someone would really believe that and legitimately not be anti-Semitic, but it doesn't change the fact that its enormously offensive to others. People can love the South if they want to, but not the Confederacy, a country that 1) was founded on totally evil principles and 2) was an enemy of the country they're currently citizens of. There are a lot of ignorant white Southerners who don't see the disconnect there. You can't love America and love the Confederate flag, too.
Well, you can - and many people do. It just makes no sense if you understand the history!
Yes, I meant you can't love both and be logically and morally consistent. Many Southerners do indeed love the USA, but somehow don't see the rather obviuous contradiction involved in honoring the Confederacy. Blind spots are amazing things.
It's all part of what may be the most effective revisionist history propaganda campaign in American history.
http://youtu.be/9_h1vwDKH6s (http://youtu.be/9_h1vwDKH6s)
What he said^.
It started real early too. Revising history, I mean.
Try watching BIRTH OF A NATION (1915).
http://youtu.be/u9y0SlwDNOs (http://youtu.be/u9y0SlwDNOs)
Quote from: lester1/2jr on June 15, 2020, 12:43:23 PM
allhallows - I'm sure he'll agree he doesn't speak for every single person in his region.
People don't have to LIKE the confederate flag but its no ones business if someone wants to raise it.
you guys are taking the easy road. liberals condemning the confederacy: is that not the most obvious possible response? maybe dig a little deeper
Dig deeper into what? It represents
slavery. You don't see statues of Hitler in Berlin. It's a part of they're history too!
I live in Michigan- ya know-up North. And lotsa of Yankees fly that flag on their trucks too. And it ain't because of their heritage. They do all over. It's advertising the suppression of people based on color.
Racism isn't regulated by state lines.
At Nazi rallys- look and see what other flag is also flying. Gimme a break. You don't see ONE Stars and Stripes. :hatred:
I'll say I have known a few people in Virginia who flew the Confederate flag who didn't really even see it a symbol of the Confederacy at all, as strange as that was and is. To them it was just a symbol of rebellion against any authority, best summed up as the General Lee flying in the air. They're not that much closer to Confederates than raggare people in Sweden.
A couple of raggare Swedes
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I suspect people like that are the minority of those using it in America though, no matter what they say, and I can't really blame anyone being offended or mad at them either.
^ Yeah. That's like a rock and roll sub-culture.
We're talking about real racist hillbillys. That's like an art scene.
Kinda like when the Sex Pistols wore nazi armbands. It was because it looked cool and scared folks.
Quote from: lester1/2jr on June 15, 2020, 12:43:23 PM
allhallows - I'm sure he'll agree he doesn't speak for every single person in his region.
People don't have to LIKE the confederate flag but its no ones business if someone wants to raise it.
you guys are taking the easy road. liberals condemning the confederacy: is that not the most obvious possible response? maybe dig a little deeper
People can raise it all they want. They shouldn't complain if they're criticized and educated about what it actually means.
A few years back, we had the "Rhodes Must Fall" protests here to get rid of all depictions of the British magnate Cecil John Rhodes: problem is that those anti-Rhodes marches and protests were started by Rhodes scholars to Oxford University. Read that again: Rhodes scholars. In other words, these people were protesting the person whose wealth after death paid for their tuition!
A description of what it feels like to be looted, & a call for police & media reform: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/greg-gutfeld-the-narratives-of-madness/ar-BB15w2AL?ocid=spartan-ntp-feeds (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/greg-gutfeld-the-narratives-of-madness/ar-BB15w2AL?ocid=spartan-ntp-feeds) :bluesad:
Quote from: Rev. Powell on June 15, 2020, 01:26:21 PM
Quote from: lester1/2jr on June 15, 2020, 12:43:23 PM
allhallows - I'm sure he'll agree he doesn't speak for every single person in his region.
People don't have to LIKE the confederate flag but its no ones business if someone wants to raise it.
you guys are taking the easy road. liberals condemning the confederacy: is that not the most obvious possible response? maybe dig a little deeper
People can raise it all they want. They shouldn't complain if they're criticized and educated about what it actually means.
Sure- on the flagpole in your yard. But not on public land. " Public" means if the public don't like it, they can take it down. And most of the public agrees. Even the military wants to change it! But Donald Trump? NO! Of course not!
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Quote from: Trevor on June 15, 2020, 01:29:07 PM
A few years back, we had the "Rhodes Must Fall" protests here to get rid of all depictions of the British magnate Cecil John Rhodes: problem is that those anti-Rhodes marches and protests were started by Rhodes scholars to Oxford University. Read that again: Rhodes scholars. In other words, these people were protesting the person whose wealth after death paid for their tuition!
Yeah, these guys were protesting in the UK and initially, public sympathy was with them but when it got out they were here on his money it quickly turned against them.
Quote from: RCMerchant on June 15, 2020, 01:38:42 PM
Quote from: Rev. Powell on June 15, 2020, 01:26:21 PM
Quote from: lester1/2jr on June 15, 2020, 12:43:23 PM
allhallows - I'm sure he'll agree he doesn't speak for every single person in his region.
People don't have to LIKE the confederate flag but its no ones business if someone wants to raise it.
you guys are taking the easy road. liberals condemning the confederacy: is that not the most obvious possible response? maybe dig a little deeper
People can raise it all they want. They shouldn't complain if they're criticized and educated about what it actually means.
Sure- on the flagpole in your yard. But not on public land. " Public" means if the public don't like it, they can take it down. And most of the public agrees. Even the military wants to change it! But Donald Trump? NO! Of course not!
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They are allowed to carry/wave it on public land (1st Amendment). But it's a great idea for venues like NASCAR to ban it; they're a private organization, not public.
Quote from: Rev. Powell on June 15, 2020, 01:42:17 PM
Quote from: RCMerchant on June 15, 2020, 01:38:42 PM
Quote from: Rev. Powell on June 15, 2020, 01:26:21 PM
Quote from: lester1/2jr on June 15, 2020, 12:43:23 PM
allhallows - I'm sure he'll agree he doesn't speak for every single person in his region.
People don't have to LIKE the confederate flag but its no ones business if someone wants to raise it.
you guys are taking the easy road. liberals condemning the confederacy: is that not the most obvious possible response? maybe dig a little deeper
People can raise it all they want. They shouldn't complain if they're criticized and educated about what it actually means.
Sure- on the flagpole in your yard. But not on public land. " Public" means if the public don't like it, they can take it down. And most of the public agrees. Even the military wants to change it! But Donald Trump? NO! Of course not!
(https://i.imgur.com/GGJWaO3.gif) (https://lunapic.com)
They are allowed to carry/wave it on public land (1st Amendment). But it's a great idea for venues like NASCAR to ban it; they're a private organization, not public.
Carry it wave it-sure. Get on all fours, stick it up your ass pole first, and run around in circles on Main Street! But as in flying over the town hall, or a statue of a Confederate General standing in a park, that's the kind of public I was talking about.
You can tattoo it on your forehead!
I usta think Charlie was cool when I was young. I really did. But I got older and think different now.
Oh s**t-! There's no tatoo on his forehead! ( But he's still Charlie!)
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When we take down all these flags and s**t, I reckon you have to expect hardcore blow-back? This s**t has just started.
Quote from: lester1/2jr on June 14, 2020, 08:34:14 PM
the confederate flags seems like a symbol of southern pride and I dont see a problem with that. I'm not from the south and can't relate but whatever happened historically can't erase peoples love for their homeland and culture
That southern pride is wanting to go back to the days of Jim Crow Laws, that there lies the issue. Many people here don't have that great of an education so it'll be lost on them, but the truth of the Confederate flag is that it's a symbol of hatred.
I totally disagree. it just means the south.
I live in the South. The Flag made a comeback during the Civil Rights moment in the 60's to be anti Civil Rights.
Quote from: lester1/2jr on June 15, 2020, 12:43:23 PM
allhallows - I'm sure he'll agree he doesn't speak for every single person in his region.
People don't have to LIKE the confederate flag but its no ones business if someone wants to raise it.
you guys are taking the easy road. liberals condemning the confederacy: is that not the most obvious possible response? maybe dig a little deeper
:hatred: HORSESH!T. Another great example of obfuscation... make the argument about something else.
Who said anything about him speaking for anybody else? I thought you might find his commentary informative; if not, read what
REV wrote. You're the one who wrote you have "no problem" with the Confederate flag :
Quote from: lester1/2jr on June 14, 2020, 08:34:14 PM
the confederate flags seems like a symbol of southern pride and I dont see a problem with that. I'm not from the south and can't relate but whatever happened historically can't erase peoples love for their homeland and culture
You mean that culture of racism, slavery, treason and the KKK? That's what that flag represents. Civil War history has been rewritten TO obfuscate the war was about slavery not "economics".
The Confederate flag is hardly just a "symbol of southern pride". "Can't erase?" So you're a goddamned bigot?
HORSESH!T.
Quote from: lester1/2jr on June 15, 2020, 07:50:38 PM
I totally disagree. it just means the south.
NO! NO! NO! You're an ASS.
Whatever. You can't change my mind
Quote from: lester1/2jr on June 15, 2020, 10:07:11 PM
Whatever. You can't change my mind
Oh well, I tried to show you why the Confederate flag is a symbol of hate. :lookingup: I take it that ignorance runs strong with you.
Quote from: lester1/2jr on June 15, 2020, 10:07:11 PM
Whatever. You can't change my mind
I do like you lester, but on this one you are an ass.
Quote from: El Misfit on June 15, 2020, 08:37:27 PM
I live in the South. The Flag made a comeback during the Civil Rights moment in the 60's to be anti Civil Rights.
And it's flying at Nazi Rallies, fer crying out loud!
Sure- I want that flying!
And so does Trump.
Oh- but he loves the American Flag too! I mean
really loves it!
Look at that hip work! :bouncegiggle:
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He treats his office as a TV show. He hugs flags, everything is the "best" or "greatest" or some such self ballyhoo. The guys a huckster. Like the guy at the fair selling tickets to a freak show.
He usta be on wrestling shows!
He's got NYC slum lord written all over him. :hatred:
Quote from: lester1/2jr on June 15, 2020, 10:07:11 PM
Whatever. You can't change my mind
What makes you think this flag only represents the South, when Nazi's fly that flag, and the KKK fly that flag.
The Swastika has been around for centuries. But folks who fly it don't say -"It's a buddhist symbol".
It means
racisim. Have you read a book about Civil War lately?
I don't mean a paragraph on the internet.
Keep it- put it in a museum. But don't have it in the park.
The Germans got it. You don't see Nazi statues.
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Quote from: RCMerchant on June 16, 2020, 06:30:56 AM
The Germans got it. You don't see Nazi statues.
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I remember seeing that footage in the opening credits of Judgement At Nuremberg.
Related, they're just now trying to rename one of the streets near where I live as apparently it's named after a guy who owned slaves and was involved in anti-abolition over 200 years ago. It's so little known there's no info about him online except as related to this newest attempt, they had to quote a 35 year old newspaper articles and a paper book that's out of print. I'd estimate 99% of people living in the area had never heard of this person until they brought it up, I sure hadn't.
I'm not really saying they're wrong exactly, just like... Why? Like, what exactly is potentially gained by the change here? A few road signs and maps will have different letters on them. That's literally it, as no one knows the guy, and the only chance he had for veneration or something from some jackass somewhere is because this whole thing dug him up again.
Related, it's also kind of funny seeing local attempts to remove these people, meanwhile we all live in the United States of America, named after slave trader and slave raider Amerigo Vespucci. I guess they just know that's never changing, so why even try.
I also want to know what the deal is with people doing this, as I've seen similar stories elsewhere - changing a street name because of someone nearly lost to history. Do they comb through local history books and resources attempting to find people like this?
misfit / hallows - do you understand how opinions work? they're subjective. are you offended by Sweet home alabama?
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Quote from: lester1/2jr on June 16, 2020, 12:38:03 PM
they're subjective. are you offended by Sweet home alabama?
(https://thumbs.worthpoint.com/zoom/images1/1/1014/05/lynyrd-skynyrd-nos-confederate-rebel_1_e3fe88b66415c921ccd2a672baf864b3.jpg)
I know I am! That song is played, man! I hear it on the radio so much it's like Pink Flyod or Stairway to Heaven.
Hey, how you guys been? "Busy" is my answer.
On the subject of roads named for people, whenever I drive into town I pass a street named for a man who was active in the civil rights movement of mid- last century, both in this city and on a larger stage, married, a minister, and after his death it came out that over the course of his life he had used his influence and position to become involved with multiple underage young women in his congregation and in the larger civil rights movement. It disgusts me that even after #metoo no one seems inclined to take his name off that street after that sort of misconduct.
RC- thats a plot by northern djs to get people to hate the south
I had a guy and his wife live in the apartment above us. He was a nice guy. Retired, drunk all the time. Kinda like me now. When I started dating Tiana, I brought her over to his house. We were listening to the radio and talking, having a drink, and I went into the kitchen to get the whiskey bottle. He followed me in and said-"That's your girl freind?" I said "Yeah!" He said- "But she's a n****r!"
I walked into the next room and said to Tiana-"Let's go home."
He had a rebel flag hanging on his wall.
Quote from: RCMerchant on June 16, 2020, 01:10:38 PM
I had a guy and his wife live in the apartment above us. He was a nice guy. Retired, drunk all the time. Kinda like me now. When I started dating Tiana, I brought her over to his house. We were listening to the radio and talking, having a drink, and I went into the kitchen to get the whiskey bottle. He followed me in and said-"That's your girl freind?" I said "Yeah!" He said- "But she's a n****r!"
I walked into the next room and said to Tiana-"Let's go home."
He had a rebel flag hanging on his wall.
What an a$$hole.
Quote from: lester1/2jr on June 16, 2020, 01:07:11 PM
RC- thats a plot by northern djs to get people to hate the south
That's what I thought.
Seriously- why should you give a flying fVck if they take these things down. I DON'T think they should destroy them. I would buy one and paint it weird colors and put it in my backyard- holding a hanging plant pot.
And yes- That is what I would plant in it.
Quote from: Allhallowsday on June 16, 2020, 01:15:51 PM
Quote from: RCMerchant on June 16, 2020, 01:10:38 PM
I had a guy and his wife live in the apartment above us. He was a nice guy. Retired, drunk all the time. Kinda like me now. When I started dating Tiana, I brought her over to his house. We were listening to the radio and talking, having a drink, and I went into the kitchen to get the whiskey bottle. He followed me in and said-"That's your girl freind?" I said "Yeah!" He said- "But she's a n****r!"
I walked into the next room and said to Tiana-"Let's go home."
He had a rebel flag hanging on his wall.
What an a$$hole.
The thing was- I never thought because he had a Confederate flag that he was a racist. I had some books on the Civil War and he borrowed them from me. I just thought he was a history buff. Sure was! He loved the Confederacy! He really didn't think of Black folks as people. He was flying the flag. Most folks who do think the same way. Would you wave a Nazi flag in a Jewish neighborhood? Should you wave a Confederate flag in Atlanta? You may as well hang a flag that says "f**k You n****r!", because some folks need to have that feeling " I am better than you!" Gives them a feeling of control over the situation.
I dunno.
Quote from: RCMerchant on June 16, 2020, 01:29:52 PM
...
The thing was- I never thought because he had a Confederate flag that he was a racist. I had some books on the Civil War and he borrowed them from me. I just thought he was a history buff. Sure was! He loved the Confederacy! He really didn't think of Black folks as people. He was flying the flag. Most folks who do think the same way. Would you wave a Nazi flag in a Jewish neighborhood? Should you wave a Confederate flag in Atlanta? You may as well hang a flag that says "f**k You n****r!", because some folks need to have that feeling " I am better than you!" Gives them a feeling of control over the situation.
I dunno.
Okay, blah blah blah... the guy is an a$$hole?
Quote from: RCMerchant on June 16, 2020, 01:10:38 PM
I had a guy and his wife live in the apartment above us. He was a nice guy. Retired, drunk all the time. Kinda like me now. When I started dating Tiana, I brought her over to his house. We were listening to the radio and talking, having a drink, and I went into the kitchen to get the whiskey bottle. He followed me in and said-"That's your girl freind?" I said "Yeah!" He said- "But she's a n****r!"
I walked into the next room and said to Tiana-"Let's go home."
He had a rebel flag hanging on his wall.
People who live in the South who hang Confederate flags may or may not be racist. Anyone north of the Mason-Dixon line who hangs a Confederate flag is almost certainly a racist.
Quote from: ER on June 16, 2020, 01:04:36 PM
...On the subject of roads named for people, whenever I drive into town I pass a street named for a man who was active in the civil rights movement of mid- last century, both in this city and on a larger stage, married, a minister, and after his death it came out that over the course of his life he had used his influence and position to become involved with multiple underage young women in his congregation and in the larger civil rights movement. It disgusts me that even after #metoo no one seems inclined to take his name off that street after that sort of misconduct.
Who was the road named for? :question:
^ I think she may be referring to this-
https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2019/05/30/irresponsible-historians-attack-david-garrows-mlk-allegations/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2019/05/30/irresponsible-historians-attack-david-garrows-mlk-allegations/)
Quote from: RCMerchant on June 17, 2020, 07:20:53 PM
^ I think she may be referring to this-
https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2019/05/30/irresponsible-historians-attack-david-garrows-mlk-allegations/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2019/05/30/irresponsible-historians-attack-david-garrows-mlk-allegations/)
Let her answer.
^ Yeah, I know what she means. And I know where this is going. I hope not- but I think it may be. Not about MLK....just this conversation.
The accusations against Martin Luther King are from FBI bugs. Those tapes do not exist anymore. How conveinant!
J.Edgar Hoover was out for blood with King. If Hoover had any kind of evidence to bust King- it would have happened then. They were not buddies.
I ain't gonna say it did or didn't happen. But it's questionable. yeah. :lookingup:
Were talking about the Rebel Flag- and you dig up some unproven theory about Martin Luther King.
Way to go! :thumbup:
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Quote from: RCMerchant on June 18, 2020, 02:26:09 AM
^ Yeah, I know what she means. And I know where this is going. I hope not- but I think it may be. Not about MLK....just this conversation.
The accusations against Martin Luther King are from FBI bugs. Those tapes do not exist anymore. How conveinant!
J.Edgar Hoover was out for blood with King. If Hoover had any kind of evidence to bust King- it would have happened then. They were not buddies.
I ain't gonna say it did or didn't happen. But it's questionable. yeah. :lookingup:
Were talking about the Rebel Flag- and you dig up some unproven theory about Martin Luther King.
Way to go! :thumbup:
...
You are out of line. You are presumptuous and condescending. :bluesad: You cannot keep a cork in it. :thumbdown:
^ Fancy words for some one who just called a board member an ass...and then dismissed my post by saying "Blah blah blah".
Quote from: RCMerchant on June 18, 2020, 08:22:43 AM
^ Fancy words for some one who just called a board member an ass...and then dismissed my post by saying "Blah blah blah".
No... your post was NOT dismissed ... I wanted you to ANSWER THE QUESTION PUT TO YOU in response to your post, particularly since I THINK we agree. Here 'tis :
Quote from: Allhallowsday on June 16, 2020, 04:22:00 PM
Quote from: RCMerchant on June 16, 2020, 01:29:52 PM
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The thing was- I never thought because he had a Confederate flag that he was a racist. I had some books on the Civil War and he borrowed them from me. I just thought he was a history buff. Sure was! He loved the Confederacy! He really didn't think of Black folks as people. He was flying the flag. Most folks who do think the same way. Would you wave a Nazi flag in a Jewish neighborhood? Should you wave a Confederate flag in Atlanta? You may as well hang a flag that says "f**k You n****r!", because some folks need to have that feeling " I am better than you!" Gives them a feeling of control over the situation.
I dunno.
Okay, blah blah blah... the guy is an a$$hole?
^ so full of yourself. You rag on others- but can't take a hit.
Oh- blah blah blah, ass! :lookingup: "Blah blah blah- so he was an a***ole?"
No- I didn't think he was an a***ole. He was my friend, and I was disappointed and sad.
That was what I was trying to get across.
If ER was NOT talking about King- I will apoligize to her- not to you.
And I do believe I have the right to respond to someone's post without your permission.
Quote from: RCMerchant on June 18, 2020, 10:55:05 AM
^ so full of yourself. You rag on others- but can't take a hit.
Oh- blah blah blah, ass! :lookingup:
No- I didn't think he was an a***ole. He was my friend, and I was disappointed and sad.
That was what I was trying to get across.
And I do believe I have the right to respond to someone's post without your permission.
Sure I can take a hit. Nobody gave me a shot, until now. :thumbup: :teddyr:
Oh, you can write anything you want.
And, anyone who calls a guest in his home "that word" is an A$$HOLE.
Uhm, as I wrote above and to you PM, you can say anything you want. HOWEVER, you don't answer my question to you BUT you answer my question to
ER. (See my reaction above.)
^ Yeah- he ended up being an a***ole....but I was sad. He was my friend. I never talked to him again. I didn't hate him. He was from the South. We usta talk about the Civil War. I would say- "I'm a Yankee!" He would say- "But your diffrerent!"
"No I'm not!"
:bluesad:
That is not what I was trying to say. I knew he had a Rebel Flag on his wall. But he never came out and plain said it like that. I thought he was just proud of his heritage.And he was. And he didn't like "n****rs". :bluesad:
s**t ain't always black and white. Most of the time it's grey.
I could give a flying f^ck if I was North or South. I do know racism is evil. That's all I gotta know.
And if ER want's to say something to me- I'm sure she will. Might take a month for her to to write something clever- but I look forward to it!
Dam ! I'm hungry! I think I'll go loot something!
i'm sorry you had to go through that, ya know i swear like a sailor but i never use the N word in fact i was telling this to some friends at work and some are white and black and they even said ya know what you are right after thinking about it for a minute. and they said your right i've never heard you say that before. & why? cause i really hate that word not as much as blacks do i'm sure but i still hate it. my mom likes to say that all colors have N.'s anyways there's nothing wrong in being proud if you are southern i'm for that but i've never understood why anyone even is racist weather you are black or white, not just white people are racist there's black racist and every color has racism in it i think not just white people , a streamer i like to watch said he once knew a black man that was racist against blacks and he'd point out to this guy but your black.
that made me laugh a little. i've got friends and family as well who are black so it doesn't matter to me about your color, i'm glad you dropped your friend if they were any friend at all they wouldn't care what color they were. i'm not one to date a black woman cause i'm just not attracted to them and i think these idiots think that blacks aren't people for some reason, if you are white, green, blue or even purple to throw random colors and you want respect and demand it if. if you don't get it, if you are white why should white's be the only color that gets it, all colors should be respected and there's a lot of scummy people out there and it's not just in one race.
white people are not better than any other color, it's just skin color we all bleed the same color. i get that people want to respect their history if they are southern. but just because you are southern doesn't mean you have to be racist and i doubt every southerner would be. i've always had the opinion that if i get respect from you i will give it to you in return and it doesn't matter what color you are.