Looting

[lester1/2jr]

allhallows - I'm sure he'll agree he doesn't speak for every single person in his region.

People don't have to LIKE the confederate flag but its no ones business if someone wants to raise it.

you guys are taking the easy road. liberals condemning the confederacy: is that not the most obvious possible response? maybe dig a little deeper

[RCMerchant]

the confederate flags seems like a symbol of southern pride and I dont see a problem with that. I'm not from the south and can't relate but whatever happened historically can't erase peoples love for their homeland and culture

Uh.  Don't you read what anyone else writes?  Indy is a Texan; read what he wrote above.   

It's a bit like saying the Nazi flag is just an emblem of German pride. Someone would really believe that and legitimately not be anti-Semitic, but it doesn't change the fact that its enormously offensive to others. People can love the South if they want to, but not the Confederacy, a country that 1) was founded on totally evil principles and 2) was an enemy of the country they're currently citizens of. There are a lot of ignorant white Southerners who don't see the disconnect there. You can't love America and love the Confederate flag, too.

Well, you can - and many people do. It just makes no sense if you understand the history!

Yes, I meant you can't love both and be logically and morally consistent. Many Southerners do indeed love the USA, but somehow don't see the rather obviuous contradiction involved in honoring the Confederacy. Blind spots are amazing things.

It's all part of what may be the most effective revisionist history propaganda campaign in American history.

http://youtu.be/9_h1vwDKH6s

What he said^.

It started real early too. Revising history, I mean.

Try watching BIRTH OF A NATION (1915).

http://youtu.be/u9y0SlwDNOs

[RCMerchant]

allhallows - I'm sure he'll agree he doesn't speak for every single person in his region.

People don't have to LIKE the confederate flag but its no ones business if someone wants to raise it.

you guys are taking the easy road. liberals condemning the confederacy: is that not the most obvious possible response? maybe dig a little deeper

Dig deeper into what? It represents slavery. You don't see statues of Hitler in Berlin. It's a part of they're history too!

[RCMerchant]

I live in Michigan- ya know-up North. And lotsa of Yankees fly that flag on their trucks too. And it ain't because of their heritage. They do all over. It's advertising the suppression of people based on color.
Racism isn't regulated by state lines.
At Nazi rallys- look and see what other flag is also flying. Gimme a break. You don't see ONE Stars and Stripes. 

[Jim H]

I'll say I have known a few people in Virginia who flew the Confederate flag who didn't really even see it a symbol of the Confederacy at all, as strange as that was and is.  To them it was just a symbol of rebellion against any authority, best summed up as the General Lee flying in the air.  They're not that much closer to Confederates than raggare people in Sweden.

A couple of raggare Swedes


I suspect people like that are the minority of those using it in America though, no matter what they say, and I can't really blame anyone being offended or mad at them either.

[RCMerchant]

^ Yeah. That's like a rock and roll sub-culture.
We're talking about real racist hillbillys. That's like an art scene.
Kinda like when the Sex Pistols wore nazi armbands. It was because it looked cool and scared folks.

[Rev. Powell]

allhallows - I'm sure he'll agree he doesn't speak for every single person in his region.

People don't have to LIKE the confederate flag but its no ones business if someone wants to raise it.

you guys are taking the easy road. liberals condemning the confederacy: is that not the most obvious possible response? maybe dig a little deeper

People can raise it all they want. They shouldn't complain if they're criticized and educated about what it actually means.

[Trevor]

A few years back, we had the "Rhodes Must Fall" protests here to get rid of all depictions of the British magnate Cecil John Rhodes: problem is that those anti-Rhodes marches and protests were started by Rhodes scholars to Oxford University. Read that again: Rhodes scholars. In other words, these people were protesting the person whose wealth after death paid for their tuition!

[pacman000]

A description of what it feels like to be looted, & a call for police & media reform: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/greg-gutfeld-the-narratives-of-madness/ar-BB15w2AL?ocid=spartan-ntp-feeds 

[RCMerchant]

allhallows - I'm sure he'll agree he doesn't speak for every single person in his region.

People don't have to LIKE the confederate flag but its no ones business if someone wants to raise it.

you guys are taking the easy road. liberals condemning the confederacy: is that not the most obvious possible response? maybe dig a little deeper

People can raise it all they want. They shouldn't complain if they're criticized and educated about what it actually means.

Sure- on the flagpole in your yard. But not on public land. " Public" means if the public don't like it, they can take it down. And most of the public agrees. Even the military wants to change it! But Donald Trump? NO! Of course not!

[Alex]

A few years back, we had the "Rhodes Must Fall" protests here to get rid of all depictions of the British magnate Cecil John Rhodes: problem is that those anti-Rhodes marches and protests were started by Rhodes scholars to Oxford University. Read that again: Rhodes scholars. In other words, these people were protesting the person whose wealth after death paid for their tuition!

Yeah, these guys were protesting in the UK and initially, public sympathy was with them but when it got out they were here on his money it quickly turned against them.

[Rev. Powell]

allhallows - I'm sure he'll agree he doesn't speak for every single person in his region.

People don't have to LIKE the confederate flag but its no ones business if someone wants to raise it.

you guys are taking the easy road. liberals condemning the confederacy: is that not the most obvious possible response? maybe dig a little deeper

People can raise it all they want. They shouldn't complain if they're criticized and educated about what it actually means.

Sure- on the flagpole in your yard. But not on public land. " Public" means if the public don't like it, they can take it down. And most of the public agrees. Even the military wants to change it! But Donald Trump? NO! Of course not!

They are allowed to carry/wave it on public land (1st Amendment). But it's a great idea for venues like NASCAR to ban it; they're a private organization, not public.

[RCMerchant]

allhallows - I'm sure he'll agree he doesn't speak for every single person in his region.

People don't have to LIKE the confederate flag but its no ones business if someone wants to raise it.

you guys are taking the easy road. liberals condemning the confederacy: is that not the most obvious possible response? maybe dig a little deeper

People can raise it all they want. They shouldn't complain if they're criticized and educated about what it actually means.

Sure- on the flagpole in your yard. But not on public land. " Public" means if the public don't like it, they can take it down. And most of the public agrees. Even the military wants to change it! But Donald Trump? NO! Of course not!

They are allowed to carry/wave it on public land (1st Amendment). But it's a great idea for venues like NASCAR to ban it; they're a private organization, not public.

Carry it wave it-sure. Get on all fours, stick it up your ass pole first, and run around in circles on Main Street!  But as in flying over the town hall, or a statue of a Confederate General standing in a park, that's the kind of public I was talking about.

You can tattoo it on your forehead!

I usta think Charlie was cool when I was young. I really did. But I got older and think different now.


Oh s**t-! There's no tatoo on his forehead! ( But he's still Charlie!)



When we take down all these flags and s**t, I reckon you have to expect hardcore blow-back? This s**t has just started.

[Leah]

the confederate flags seems like a symbol of southern pride and I dont see a problem with that. I'm not from the south and can't relate but whatever happened historically can't erase peoples love for their homeland and culture

That southern pride is wanting to go back to the days of Jim Crow Laws, that there lies the issue.  Many people here don't have that great of an education so it'll be lost on them, but the truth of the Confederate flag is that it's a symbol of hatred.

[lester1/2jr]

I totally disagree. it just means the south.