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Started by lester1/2jr, June 02, 2020, 01:56:32 PM

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Leah

I live in the South. The Flag made a comeback during the Civil Rights moment in the 60's to be anti Civil Rights.
yeah no.

Allhallowsday

Quote from: lester1/2jr on June 15, 2020, 12:43:23 PM
allhallows - I'm sure he'll agree he doesn't speak for every single person in his region.
People don't have to LIKE the confederate flag but its no ones business if someone wants to raise it.
you guys are taking the easy road. liberals condemning the confederacy: is that not the most obvious possible response? maybe dig a little deeper
:hatred: HORSESH!T.  Another great example of obfuscation... make the argument about something else. 
Who said anything about him speaking for anybody else?  I thought you might find his commentary informative; if not, read what REV wrote.  You're the one who wrote you have "no problem" with the Confederate flag :

Quote from: lester1/2jr on June 14, 2020, 08:34:14 PM
the confederate flags seems like a symbol of southern pride and I dont see a problem with that. I'm not from the south and can't relate but whatever happened historically can't erase peoples love for their homeland and culture
You mean that culture of racism, slavery, treason and the KKK?  That's what that flag represents.  Civil War history has been rewritten TO obfuscate the war was about slavery not "economics". 
The Confederate flag is hardly just a "symbol of southern pride".  "Can't erase?"  So you're a goddamned bigot? 
HORSESH!T. 
If you want to view paradise . . . simply look around and view it!

Allhallowsday

Quote from: lester1/2jr on June 15, 2020, 07:50:38 PM
I totally disagree. it just means the south.

NO! NO! NO!  You're an ASS. 
If you want to view paradise . . . simply look around and view it!

lester1/2jr

Whatever. You can't change my mind

Leah

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Quote from: lester1/2jr on June 15, 2020, 10:07:11 PM
Whatever. You can't change my mind
Oh well,  I tried to show you why the Confederate flag is a symbol of hate. :lookingup: I take it that ignorance runs strong with you.
yeah no.

Allhallowsday

Quote from: lester1/2jr on June 15, 2020, 10:07:11 PM
Whatever. You can't change my mind
I do like you lester, but on this one you are an ass. 
If you want to view paradise . . . simply look around and view it!

RCMerchant

#126
Quote from: El Misfit on June 15, 2020, 08:37:27 PM
I live in the South. The Flag made a comeback during the Civil Rights moment in the 60's to be anti Civil Rights.

And it's flying at Nazi Rallies, fer crying out loud!
Sure- I want that flying!

And so does Trump.
Oh- but he loves the American Flag too! I mean really loves it!
Look at that hip work!   :bouncegiggle:



He treats his office as a TV show. He hugs flags, everything is the "best" or "greatest" or some such self ballyhoo. The guys a huckster. Like the guy at the fair selling tickets to a freak show.
He usta be on wrestling shows!
He's got NYC slum lord written all over him.  :hatred:

Supernatural?...perhaps. Baloney?...Perhaps not!" Bela Lugosi-the BLACK CAT (1934)
Interviewer-"Does Dracula ever end for you?
Lugosi-"No. Dracula-never ends."
Slobber, Drool, Drip!
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RCMerchant

#127
Quote from: lester1/2jr on June 15, 2020, 10:07:11 PM
Whatever. You can't change my mind

What makes you think this flag only represents the South, when Nazi's fly that flag, and the KKK fly that flag.
The Swastika has been around for centuries. But folks who fly it don't say -"It's a buddhist symbol".
It means  racisim. Have you read a book about Civil War lately?
I don't mean a paragraph on the internet.

Keep it- put it in a museum. But don't have it in the park.

Supernatural?...perhaps. Baloney?...Perhaps not!" Bela Lugosi-the BLACK CAT (1934)
Interviewer-"Does Dracula ever end for you?
Lugosi-"No. Dracula-never ends."
Slobber, Drool, Drip!
https://www.tumblr.com/ronmerchant

RCMerchant

The Germans got it. You don't see Nazi statues.



Supernatural?...perhaps. Baloney?...Perhaps not!" Bela Lugosi-the BLACK CAT (1934)
Interviewer-"Does Dracula ever end for you?
Lugosi-"No. Dracula-never ends."
Slobber, Drool, Drip!
https://www.tumblr.com/ronmerchant

Trevor

Quote from: RCMerchant on June 16, 2020, 06:30:56 AM
The Germans got it. You don't see Nazi statues.





I remember seeing that footage in the opening credits of Judgement At Nuremberg.
We shall meet in the place where there is no darkness.

Jim H

Related, they're just now trying to rename one of the streets near where I live as apparently it's named after a guy who owned slaves and was involved in anti-abolition over 200 years ago.  It's so little known there's no info about him online except as related to this newest attempt, they had to quote a 35 year old newspaper articles and a paper book that's out of print.  I'd estimate 99% of people living in the area had never heard of this person until they brought it up, I sure hadn't. 

I'm not really saying they're wrong exactly, just like...  Why?  Like, what exactly is potentially gained by the change here?  A few road signs and maps will have different letters on them.  That's literally it, as no one knows the guy, and the only chance he had for veneration or something from some jackass somewhere is because this whole thing dug him up again. 

Related, it's also kind of funny seeing local attempts to remove these people, meanwhile we all live in the United States of America, named after slave trader and slave raider Amerigo Vespucci.  I guess they just know that's never changing, so why even try.

I also want to know what the deal is with people doing this, as I've seen similar stories elsewhere - changing a street name because of someone nearly lost to history.  Do they comb through local history books and resources attempting to find people like this? 

lester1/2jr

#131
misfit / hallows - do you understand how opinions work?  they're subjective. are you offended by Sweet home alabama?


RCMerchant

Quote from: lester1/2jr on June 16, 2020, 12:38:03 PM
  they're subjective. are you offended by Sweet home alabama?



I know I am! That song is played, man! I hear it on the radio so much it's like Pink Flyod or Stairway to Heaven.
Supernatural?...perhaps. Baloney?...Perhaps not!" Bela Lugosi-the BLACK CAT (1934)
Interviewer-"Does Dracula ever end for you?
Lugosi-"No. Dracula-never ends."
Slobber, Drool, Drip!
https://www.tumblr.com/ronmerchant

ER

Hey, how you guys been? "Busy" is my answer.

On the subject of roads named for people, whenever I drive into town I pass a street named for a man who was active in the civil rights movement of mid- last century, both in this city and on a larger stage, married, a minister, and after his death it came out that over the course of his life he had used his influence and position to become involved with multiple underage young women in his congregation and in the larger civil rights movement. It disgusts me that even after #metoo no one seems inclined to take his name off that street after that sort of misconduct.
What does not kill me makes me stranger.

lester1/2jr

RC- thats a plot by northern djs to get people to hate the south