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« Reply #405 on: October 29, 2022, 03:29:45 PM »


This sounds like 'gjve Putin what he wants'.  I remember history class, we tried that with Hitler, turned out he wanted everything.
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« Reply #406 on: October 29, 2022, 11:05:49 PM »

you sound more like Morpheus the woke. not every conflict is world war 2. Every foreign policy mind in the last century warned against NATO expansion for the exact reason of what is unfolding now.
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« Reply #407 on: October 29, 2022, 11:18:29 PM »

NATO is a DEFENSIVE alliance. Non-aggressors have nothing to fear.
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« Reply #408 on: October 30, 2022, 07:38:17 AM »


This sounds like 'gjve Putin what he wants'.  I remember history class, we tried that with Hitler, turned out he wanted everything.

It's actually the opposite. That is, the U.S. is the biggest warmonger in the world, with over 800 military bases and installations worldwide and a military budget that's bigger than those of the others combined. It has been using that military to engage in mayhem in many countries for more than fifty years, with coups, assassinations, various forms of destabilization, and outright invasion.

What's ironic is that its most liberal former President actually said that:

https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/04/19/jimmy-carter-us-most-warlike-nation-in-history-of-the-world/

Why is it engaged in warmongering? Here's the reason, explaining Carter's point, and moving on to Sachs:

The U.S. dollar is the global reserve currency. That means most countries need it for trade. It also makes the U.S. incredibly powerful because it can buy things cheap from others but also weak because it makes its own exports expensive for most. This also explains why U.S. borrowing and spending have been soaring since 1982.

At the same time, the U.S. had been fighting to counter the rise of Communism, and that meant propping up dictatorships (like those in Chile and in Iran) and toppling others (like those in Iraq and various South American countries). It also used the same regimes to access natural resources cheap, especially oil.

Part of such strategies involve the military industrial complex, which Sachs talks about. It's an alliance of the government and industry involving development and profiting from armament production and deployment. The U.S. military gets its hardware and the defense industry gets its profits. This is also why the U.S. is the biggest arms dealer in the world.

The problem is that more countries have been growing stronger because they had been saving and exporting, starting with European countries, then Japan, then various Asian countries, and now BRICS (Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa) plus over forty emerging markets, from Turkey to the Philippines. According to Wall Street banks, BRICS and these emerging markets will dominate the world economy during the next few days.

With that, more are using their own currencies for trade, starting their own economic blocs, engaging in bilateral trade, bartering, and even considering special drawing rights from multilateral banks. In relation to this topic, countries like Israel, Malaysia, and Singapore have refused to follow the U.S. and continue to trade with Russia, and recently Saudi Arabia has said the same. Some, like the Philippines, remain scared of the U.S., which is why it recently cancelled a helicopter deal with Russia and lost millions of dollars in downpayments. Meanwhile, not only Russia but China continue to be maintain friendly relations with the Philippines, offering cheap oil and development aid.

This is inevitable but unacceptable for the U.S., as less use of the dollar will no longer allow it to borrow and thus spend more to keep its economy afloat. With that, the U.S. economy will fall apart.

That's why Ukraine was a linchpin, together with others, and the U.S. and its allies had to keep it weak. This explains why "color revolutions" occurred in 2004 onward not only in Ukraine but even in places like Thailand and Hong Kong: protesters and social media influencers were backed by NGOs which in turn wer funded by organizations like the CIA. They were meant to destabilize such countries and thus allow them to be manipulated by the U.S.

Such is the case for Ukraine: as part of and co-founder of the former Soviet Union it actually had one of the most powerful economies among the soviets. But after 1991, it began to de-industrialize as NATO and the EU encouraged it to move away from Russia as a trading partner, and its officials began to meet with Biden, Kerry, and others over deals in oil and gas. Today, it has a per capita GDP that's only slightly higher than that of the Philippines.
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« Reply #409 on: October 30, 2022, 07:46:27 AM »

NATO is a DEFENSIVE alliance. Non-aggressors have nothing to fear.


One of the organizations that was involved in mayhem in Afghanistan and even Syria was NATO.

The de facto head of NATO is the U.S., which is the main warmonger of the world. Here's an interesting point about that and Ukraine from 2014, years before Russia invaded:

https://www.counterpunch.org/2014/08/11/beware-the-worlds-leading-war-monger-and-terrorist-organization/

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In Ukraine, the US is backing a thuggish regime, installed through a bloody coup that overthrew a democratically elected government. That regime, since taking power, been using indescriminately shelling cities, and using fascist thugs re-classified as National Guardsmen to slaughter civilians and separatist rebels in the eastern part of the country. It is also becoming increasingly clear, as even the main English-language newspaper in Malaysia is reporting, that this thuggish regime based in Kiev was likely responsible for the deliberate downing of a Malaysian airline which killed all 283 passengers and crew (though the Obama administration continues to claim, on the basis of no evidence, that it was the separatists’ doing).

Apparently, what Russia is doing to Ukraine Ukraine was doing to Russians in the eastern part of the country for years, and backed by the U.S. Many have forgotten this and many of the other U.S.-backed atrocities mentioned in the article.

This is not to say that people should support the Russian invasion, but they should look at the reasons for and what happened before it. Apparently, we're looking at what appears to be more than just "crazy SOBs."

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« Reply #410 on: October 30, 2022, 08:34:41 AM »

Putin couldn't have said it better.
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« Reply #411 on: October 30, 2022, 04:04:43 PM »

I have mixed feelings on Russia fearing America/NATO.

NATO cannot be pureky defensive, there is no such thing as a purely defensive force. I owned a. 410 revolver for home defense as it was short ranged and unlikely to harm anyone in a neighboring house jf I fired at a home invader and missed, but it could still have been used aggressively. So to could nato be used aggressively.

We must remember that president Reagan launched a series of aggressive moves against Russia, includibg having a major Russian oil pipeline sabotaged abd heavily damaged,  harassing Russian submarines abd various economic measures orchestrated against Russia that helped lead to it's collapse, putin remembers those things quite well.

Also America invaded, devastated and conquered Iraq to steal it's oil,  there never was a hint of evidence Iraq was involved with 9 11.

But America is unlikely to start trouble with a desparate nation that has a large nuclear arsenal,  even an aging, decrepit and poorly maintained one.

It must be remembered that nato did not solicit new member states close to Russia, those states solicited nato for admission and one can see why after Putin's seizure of Crimea.

So let's not have a fkame war here over this. There's enough war in the world as is,  yes?
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« Reply #412 on: October 30, 2022, 04:09:35 PM »

Everyone knew if NATO made motions to go into Ukraine that this would happen. They forced his hand. TbWhy does everyone pretend this whole aspect of the war isn't there? Its Creepy
                                                                                               
Even people in World War II could admit that Hitler had some rational interests.  O t hers not obviously
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« Reply #413 on: October 30, 2022, 04:13:07 PM »

you sound more like Morpheus the woke. not every conflict is world war 2. Every foreign policy mind in the last century warned against NATO expansion for the exact reason of what is unfolding now.

Putin is following Hitler's playbook nearly verbatim,  his conquest of Crimea in 2014, his attack on Ukraine abd his claims that both acts were justified by historical proximity abd 'persecution' of ethnic groups are cut and pasted from Hitler's actions.

I believe there is enough similarity between Hitler and Putin to justify a comparison.

Also nato did not actively solicit new states on Russia's perceived frontier, those states solicited nato after Putin's invasion and conquest of crimea.  Putin has himself to blame for that.
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« Reply #414 on: October 30, 2022, 04:17:25 PM »

Everyone knew if NATO made motions to go into Ukraine that this would happen. They forced his hand. TbWhy does everyone pretend this whole aspect of the war isn't there? Its Creepy
                                                                                               
Even people in World War II could admit that Hitler had some rational interests.  O t hers not obviously

What motions did NATO make to move into Ukraine? Every time Ukraine asked to join the answer they got was that they weren't ready to join.
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« Reply #415 on: October 30, 2022, 05:13:50 PM »



You raise a good point. Why hasn't Ukraine been allowed into NATO even now? What is the reasoning behind that? Was Ukraine late with their paperwork?

No it was because we didn't want to provoke Russia.  all of a sudden we have chosen to do so. why?
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« Reply #416 on: October 30, 2022, 05:16:58 PM »

Some typos in there sorry I'm on my Antiquated cell phone


 I don't care if you compare anyone to anyone I just don't get the hitler putin one.   It's also corny
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« Reply #417 on: October 30, 2022, 10:16:47 PM »

Putin couldn't have said it better.

If this refers to what I shared, then FWIW my sources for what happened in Afghanistan, Syria, and even Iraq include the CNN, BBC, the NYT, and others.

For example, here's a timeline of what happened to democracy in Iraq in the 1950s from the NYT:

https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/library/world/mideast/041600iran-coup-timeline.html

Apparently, U.S. neoliberals are caught between supporting the U.S. government over other countries while realizing that what they support is no different from what they don't.
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« Reply #418 on: October 30, 2022, 10:27:54 PM »

I have mixed feelings on Russia fearing America/NATO.

NATO cannot be pureky defensive, there is no such thing as a purely defensive force. I owned a. 410 revolver for home defense as it was short ranged and unlikely to harm anyone in a neighboring house jf I fired at a home invader and missed, but it could still have been used aggressively. So to could nato be used aggressively.

We must remember that president Reagan launched a series of aggressive moves against Russia, includibg having a major Russian oil pipeline sabotaged abd heavily damaged,  harassing Russian submarines abd various economic measures orchestrated against Russia that helped lead to it's collapse, putin remembers those things quite well.

Also America invaded, devastated and conquered Iraq to steal it's oil,  there never was a hint of evidence Iraq was involved with 9 11.

But America is unlikely to start trouble with a desparate nation that has a large nuclear arsenal,  even an aging, decrepit and poorly maintained one.

It must be remembered that nato did not solicit new member states close to Russia, those states solicited nato for admission and one can see why after Putin's seizure of Crimea.

So let's not have a fkame war here over this. There's enough war in the world as is,  yes?

Same here. Hobsbawm pointed out that the Cold War was as bloody as the previous world wars, with an estimated 40 million dead worldwide, mostly unarmed civilians from poor countries, and many children and the elderly, as their regions were used as proxy wars by military powers.

It's notable that you mentioned Reagan, because it was the same President who pushed the two ideologies that turned the U.S. into a major military machine: neoconservatism and neoliberalism.

Neoconservatism refers to the belief that "freedom and democracy" must reign, that the U.S. is the sole arbiter and enforcer of that, and that it is exceptional in the sense that whatever it does cannot be considered wrong because it is acting towards that belief.

Hence, Reagan's view of the "evil empire," Bush's view of the "axis of evil," and all the way to Obama's pivot to Asia. Presidents from Reagan onward created the view that the world is divided into good and evil: the U.S. and its friends are good, and everyone else is evil. And those who disagree must be dealt with. As Bush would put it, either you are with us or you are with the terrorists.

Neoliberalism refers to the belief that free markets must reign, and that the U.S. must force other countries to be free. That means opening up their countries to trade and more commerce. The belief was eventually used to open up the same countries for exploitation, especially of resources like oil. In addition, in turns out that free markets eventually become the opposite, as those who become richer thanks to it eventually take over the same markets.

This explains Sachs' military industrial complex, which was ironically first raised by Eisenhower back in the 1950s. As some become richer, then they take over, controlling most of the economy and influencing elections. With that, regardless of political party elected officials work for and with them in exchange for credit. That credit, in turn, is used to support a military industrial complex used to bully other countries into submission, which in turn gives economic advantages to the same rich.

This explains what happened in Iraq, and why the U.S. quickly took control of Basra, and used oil from it to supply Israel. It also explains the color revolutions in Ukraine, collusion between pro-U.S. Ukraine officials and U.S. counterparts, etc.



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« Reply #419 on: October 30, 2022, 10:38:11 PM »


Putin is following Hitler's playbook nearly verbatim,  his conquest of Crimea in 2014, his attack on Ukraine abd his claims that both acts were justified by historical proximity abd 'persecution' of ethnic groups are cut and pasted from Hitler's actions.

I believe there is enough similarity between Hitler and Putin to justify a comparison.

Also nato did not actively solicit new states on Russia's perceived frontier, those states solicited nato after Putin's invasion and conquest of crimea.  Putin has himself to blame for that.

During the early weeks of the invasion, I recall one news outlet interviewing a former U.S. military general about it. He said that if that were the U.S., then the war would have ended on Day One as the U.S. would have bombed Ukraine back to the stone age. There is precedence to that given what the U.S. did in Iraq during the first war, and what it did in Afghanistan during its prolonged war. Things like cluster bombs, Hellfires, and MOAB "daisy cutters" were used, i.e., lethal non-nuclear arsenal that killed large numbers of Iraqi and Afghan civilians.

What's ironic about that is that Hitler would have said the same, and that many viewers would not have realized the same.

The problem in this case is that Russia has long-range bombers, missiles, etc., and would have done the same. And yet it didn't. Instead, it occupied the areas where Russians dominate.

So, why is Putin not going "U.S." on Russia or mentioning it only now? Some believe that he fears that if he does, then the U.S. will find reasons to follow through, that even countries like China and those who refuse to follow the U.S., like Saudi Arabia, Israel, Malaysia, and Singapore, will move away from it.

Thus, it's stuck with occupying only part of the Ukraine, i.e., mostly in places where Russians are, and not moving forward. It's also probably betting that more U.S. allies will fold and end up buying oil and gas from it, especially given the recent news about Saudi Arabia refusing to follow the U.S.
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