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« Reply #465 on: November 09, 2022, 01:28:31 PM »

you guys are LARPing as russia experts.  as if any of us could have the slightest idea of what he thinks or what is going on in his sessions with subordinates.
Well, les, haven't you spent the last year in here going against conventional thought, posting as if you have some special insight into Putin's brain and inner circle, saying most people had it wrong and Russia's invasion of Ukraine was because Putin felt threatened by NATO?
 
If this is true, I agree with Lester that POO-TIN felt threatened by NATO.  I also think Russia is out of touch and POO-TIN is surrounded by Yes-men.  Other than unwarranted swipes, don't we all agree? 



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« Reply #466 on: November 09, 2022, 02:18:28 PM »

Russia is a country ran by paranoia, justified paranoia.

Napoleon invaded Russia abd even reached Moscow. His arny caused massive destruction and death in Russia, abd Russian children are raised to know that. After WW1 British and France attacked Russia to overturn tge Bolshevik revolution and used poison gas on Russians before being driven out of Russia.  In ww2 the Nazis invaded Russia and a huge part of Russia's population were killed, like 20 million according to some estimates.

Right after ww2 American general Patton starting shooting his big mouth off about how America should rebuild the Nazi army to go in and 'finish off russia''.

Russia has had a brutal history, and always ruled by the most brutal and ruthless. We must remember that. Putin's politics consist of murdering any challenger to his throne. Russia is not like any western country, it's a kratocracy.



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« Reply #467 on: November 09, 2022, 02:33:55 PM »

you guys are LARPing as russia experts.  as if any of us could have the slightest idea of what he thinks or what is going on in his sessions with subordinates.
Well, les, haven't you spent the last year in here going against conventional thought, posting as if you have some special insight into Putin's brain and inner circle, saying most people had it wrong and Russia's invasion of Ukraine was because Putin felt threatened by NATO?
 
If this is true, I agree with Lester that POO-TIN felt threatened by NATO.  I also think Russia is out of touch and POO-TIN is surrounded by Yes-men.  Other than unwarranted swipes, don't we all agree? 





Putin is "threatened by NATO," certainly, it's dampened many of his expansionist goals. And, yes, Putin is surrounded by fearful sycophants and the like-minded. So, yes.
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« Reply #468 on: November 09, 2022, 03:12:40 PM »

If there's one thing Putin knows its SURVIVAL. The idea that he apropos of nothing decided to invade Ukraine for his own glory doesn't make sense. If that was his attitude he would have been gone decades ago

Countries like Russia, Iran, and China know the US is constantly bearing down on them and they move very carefully and deliberately
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« Reply #469 on: November 09, 2022, 06:29:53 PM »


If this is true, I agree with Lester that POO-TIN felt threatened by NATO.  I also think Russia is out of touch and POO-TIN is surrounded by Yes-men.  Other than unwarranted swipes, don't we all agree? 



More likely by moves from NATO, the EU, and the U.S. from 2004 onward. The details are, I think, given in this 2015 lecture:

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« Reply #470 on: November 09, 2022, 06:37:36 PM »

Russia is a country ran by paranoia, justified paranoia.

Napoleon invaded Russia abd even reached Moscow. His arny caused massive destruction and death in Russia, abd Russian children are raised to know that. After WW1 British and France attacked Russia to overturn tge Bolshevik revolution and used poison gas on Russians before being driven out of Russia.  In ww2 the Nazis invaded Russia and a huge part of Russia's population were killed, like 20 million according to some estimates.

Right after ww2 American general Patton starting shooting his big mouth off about how America should rebuild the Nazi army to go in and 'finish off russia''.

Russia has had a brutal history, and always ruled by the most brutal and ruthless. We must remember that. Putin's politics consist of murdering any challenger to his throne. Russia is not like any western country, it's a kratocracy.






Actually, many military powers are, including the U.S. This list started with Wounded Knee, but its first "Vietnam" was the Philippines, where part was turned into a "howling wilderness":

https://sites.evergreen.edu/zoltan/interventions/

The most prominent ones include what happened during the last two decades. Throughout that time, many did not choose to "stand up" to them, including Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, and Yemen.

This idea should not surprise anyone. According to Hobsbawm, the Cold War led to over 40 million deaths, and involved mostly poor, unarmed civilians (and around half of them children and the elderly) in developing countries whose areas were used for proxy wars.

Such is the case for Ukraine, which according to the lecture linked earlier, has been caught in the crossfire for so long.

Given that, I'd like to think that, if any, Russia very much resembles Western countries, especially the U.S. The difference is that it doesn't have the massive killing power that the U.S. possesses. But like the rest of BRICS and emerging markets, it's growing up thanks to economic growth.

And that is unacceptable for U.S. neocons/neolibs.

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« Reply #471 on: November 09, 2022, 06:40:10 PM »

Putin is "threatened by NATO," certainly, it's dampened many of his expansionist goals. And, yes, Putin is surrounded by fearful sycophants and the like-minded. So, yes.

Those expansionist goals involve dealing with separatist groups nearby. The same goes for China. Both are not at par with what the U.S. can do, especially with over 800 military bases and installations worldwide and the killing spree of the last two decades.

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« Reply #472 on: November 09, 2022, 06:47:03 PM »

If there's one thing Putin knows its SURVIVAL. The idea that he apropos of nothing decided to invade Ukraine for his own glory doesn't make sense. If that was his attitude he would have been gone decades ago

Countries like Russia, Iran, and China know the US is constantly bearing down on them and they move very carefully and deliberately

I thought the same: the West has been manipulating Ukraine since 2004, and it's part of a U.S. grand chessboard strategy of using over 800 military bases and installations worldwide plus foreign policies to coerce weak countries and encircle both Russia and China.

The last point is also notable. The U.S. has been using a combination of neoconservatism and neoliberalism since the Reagan years to make sure that other countries toe the line by relying on the dollar for trade and opening up their economies to exploitation for resources and cheap labor.

That's why Russia, Iran, and China may also be seen as part of BRICS (Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa) and over forty emerging markets (including Iran, the Philippines, Turkey, and various South American and African countries) that have been growing stronger economically the last three decades. They are now answering back at those in power, which is why recently not only Saudi Arabia but even Israel, Malaysia, and Singapore refused to follow the U.S. and insist on continuing to engage in trade with both Ukraine and Russia.

Even the Philippines, which is one of the biggest supporters of the U.S. worldwide, wants to remain a friend to Russia and China.

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« Reply #473 on: November 09, 2022, 09:19:50 PM »

Some humbly offered advice, ralfy. Your posts are unfocused because they go everywhere. Maybe you could concentrate your reply in a single post that summed up your thoughts instead of trying to play tag with everyone, and thereby appearing scattered as to what ideas you want to convey on the topic of the bats**t atrocities of Russia's maniacal dictator.
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« Reply #474 on: November 10, 2022, 12:17:38 AM »

Russia, Iran, and China are perfect boogeymen for American propaganda purposes because they have been around forever and are thus recognizable.

All 3 of these places mostly want to be left alone besides of China, who have a more complicated situation racially/ culturally etc and have weird ideas about what constitutes their actual space on this earth.

bottom line: the world isn't flat. The US doesn't have infinite resources. The operative bible story is not Revelation but the tower of Babel. All God has to do is snap his fingers and our empire is over
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« Reply #475 on: November 10, 2022, 07:27:04 AM »

Russia, Iran, and China are perfect boogeymen

"Just be-cause you're paranoooid, does-n't mean they're not after yooooou...."
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« Reply #477 on: November 10, 2022, 06:23:19 PM »

Some humbly offered advice, ralfy. Your posts are unfocused because they go everywhere. Maybe you could concentrate your reply in a single post that summed up your thoughts instead of trying to play tag with everyone, and thereby appearing scattered as to what ideas you want to convey on the topic of the bats**t atrocities of Russia's maniacal dictator.


It's actually the opposite: my arguments are very clear and focused.

The gist is that the U.S. is owned by the rich, and the U.S. government that works for it uses neoconservatism (as seen in the military industrial complex) and neoliberalism (as seen in IMF-WB structural adjustment policies) to make sure that the global economy continues to use the dollar as a reserve currency. The reason that's needed is because the same use is the only thing that allows the U.S. to maintain four decades of heavy borrowing and spending.

Neoconservatism involves the use of a heavily funded military to set up over 800 military bases and installations worldwide to coerce, destabilize, and even bully others, as well as encircle rivals like Russia and China.

The problem is that not only Russia and China but also Brazil, India, South Africa, and over forty countries have become stronger economically and are answering back.

That's why many of them, including U.S. allies like Saudi Arabia and Israel, refused to follow the U.S., and plan to continue trading with Russia. The same goes for countries like Singapore, Malaysia, and others in Asia.

Why are they doing that? It's probably because they understand what happened to Ukraine from 2004 onward, when the U.S. manipulated Ukraine through coups and economic deals. There are more points from this 2015 lecture:

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« Reply #478 on: November 10, 2022, 06:31:06 PM »

Russia, Iran, and China are perfect boogeymen for American propaganda purposes because they have been around forever and are thus recognizable.

All 3 of these places mostly want to be left alone besides of China, who have a more complicated situation racially/ culturally etc and have weird ideas about what constitutes their actual space on this earth.

bottom line: the world isn't flat. The US doesn't have infinite resources. The operative bible story is not Revelation but the tower of Babel. All God has to do is snap his fingers and our empire is over

They are part of BRICS and forty emerging markets that are taking over the global economy. They are also slowly moving away from the dollar, forming their own economic blocs, focusing on bilateral relations, and using either special drawing rights or their own currencies for trade.

The U.S. needs the world economy to do the opposite, which is to remain dependent on the dollar as a reserve currency and to even oil priced only in dollars, because the loss of that dependence won't allow it to continue heavy borrowing and spending. And without those two, its economy will fall apart.

That's why for several decades the U.S. has been engaged in employing onerous foreign policies, maintaining over 800 military bases and installations worldwide, propping up pro-U.S. regimes, destabilization, and even invasion of various countries to ensure that. One of those countries that they have been manipulating since 2004 is Ukraine.

Unfortunately, the "[c]razy SOB [a]ctually [d]it it" and challenged the U.S. in another proxy war. The difference is that Russia stopped at the areas dominated by Russians, and probably because it did not want to lose trade with many countries that are remaining neutral. That's why recently countries like Saudi Arabia and Israel suprisingly disagreed with the U.S., insisting that they will continue trading with Russia. The same took place for Singapore, Malaysia, and other countries in Asia.

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« Reply #479 on: November 10, 2022, 06:39:50 PM »



Yes, those are the hundreds of military bases and installations worldwide:

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/06/us-military-bases-around-the-world-119321/

and for many decades they were used to coerce weaker countries, if not combined with other gov't agencies and foreign policies to employ low intensity conflict, destablization, coups, and invasions.

https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/7/16/ameri-coup-a-brief-history-of-us-misdeeds

That's why even one former U.S. President referred to the U.S. as the most warlike in modern history:

https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/04/19/jimmy-carter-us-most-warlike-nation-in-history-of-the-world/

Ironically, they are also part of a grand chessboard strategy that was raised by one of his former officials:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grand_Chessboard

Given that, one can see these, Sachs' point about the military industrial complex, and the lecture shared earlier in light of what happened to Ukraine.


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