The Crazy SOB Actually Did it!

[Alex]

Allhallows - wrong. US/ NAto is the agressor

Lester - wrong. You are just dancing to Putin's tune.

[Rev. Powell]

US/ NAto is the agressor

It's not fruitful to continue arguing this point, I'll just register my disagreement and move on.

[Allhallowsday]

Allhallows - wrong. US/ NAto is the agressor

Lester, expansion of NATO is not comparable to a pre-emptive strike, bombing civilians and moving in tanked troops.

[LilCerberus]

Allhallows - wrong. US/ NAto is the agressor

Lester, expansion of NATO is not comparable to a pre-emptive strike, bombing civilians and moving in tanked troops.

For once, I hafta agree with you.

[lester1/2jr]

again i can't believe after Iraq Vietnam etc anyone would buy washingtons story about what is happening anywhere. or take their enemies as ones own


more to the point

[Allhallowsday]

again i can't believe after Iraq Vietnam etc anyone would buy washingtons story about what is happening anywhere. or take their enemies as ones own
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The picture is anecdotal; get real.  You have entered the realm of blah blah blah. 

Lester, your insights are not lost on everyone, but don't put all your eggs in one basket.  There is no USA troops on the ground, but there are Russians and Ukrainians.  The blame game is a distraction of history - the advice you've been offering - and POO-TIN holding your basket is liable to bust all your eggs. 

[lester1/2jr]

I'd rather not support neo nazis, personally

[Alex]

I'd rather not support neo nazis, personally

And yet you are quite happy to support a side using them.

[lester1/2jr]

the picture is of Ukrainians not Russians. and I don't support any side

[ER]

I'd rather not support neo nazis, personally

lester, I've always known you to be an intelligent person, a thinker outside the box, even when I haven't always agreed with you, so I would like to ask you something I asked you for the first time back in 2011. The question is, what's a realistic alternative to the global situation you so often speak out against and claim is in effect? Honest question, not an opening for an argument, just sincere curiosity, because surely you do have an alternative plan in mind that you advocate.

[Alex]

the picture is of Ukrainians not Russians. and I don't support any side

You might want to read your own posts because you certainly don't come off as not supporting any side. I wasn't referring to the picture. I was referring to the Russian use of neo nazi units. I am aware the Ukrainian's have a unit that includes such elements. They were in the process of clearing those people out of their military, but Russian actions since 2014 put an end to that and they've been forced to use all the troops they can get. It wouldn't surprise though that you'd pull up the Ukrainian military for using such troops while ignoring the Russians doing it. Despite your protestation, you quite clearly have a side you are supporting and it shows in your bias.

[Rev. Powell]

the picture is of Ukrainians not Russians. and I don't support any side

You might want to read your own posts because you certainly don't come off as not supporting any side. I wasn't referring to the picture. I was referring to the Russian use of neo nazi units. I am aware the Ukrainian's have a unit that includes such elements. They were in the process of clearing those people out of their military, but Russian actions since 2014 put an end to that and they've been forced to use all the troops they can get. It wouldn't surprise though that you'd pull up the Ukrainian military for using such troops while ignoring the Russians doing it. Despite your protestation, you quite clearly have a side you are supporting and it shows in your bias.

Not supporting either side is a position I could understand and respect. If you really don't support the Russians, lester, you need to work a lot harder at showing it. Your posts all come off like a Putin fanboy.

Earlier in the thread I said that "I thought you only didn't want us involved in the conflict in any way, not that you were actively rooting for Russia" and you mocked my post. Then RC accused you of being pro-Russia, and you didn't deny it. So I have assumed since then you are actively rooting for Russia.

[lester1/2jr]

This is like a House of Unamerican Activities meeting.


ER - Well I admit my position that we have no responsibility to the rest of the world is somewhat marginal, but do we have EVERY responsibility? Where is that line? We are 30 trillion dollars in debt and our own nation isn't doing so hot.

an Example: we spent billions in the last decade arming and supporting the "moderate rebels" in Syria. That they were ideologically in line with the likes of Al Queda and ISIS was just about the worst kept secret in town. so we're giving money to people who probably celebrated on 9/11 and why? for human rights?

Was Syria going to attack the continental United States? Of course not. The reason was the Saudis hate Iran and Syria because of some insane religious doctorine argument and Israel sees Iran not saudi arabia as a threat because Iran is hostile to them and Saudis are bought and paid for.

These countries are dictatorships and quasi dictatorships because they SUCK. These are sucky places. The US is a good place we should be making it better


REV- I mocked you because you seemed to not understand to the fact that there was any other position besides your own.

[Allhallowsday]

[lester1/2jr]

I don't get it