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« on: April 11, 2007, 10:43:46 PM »

Figured I'd start a thread for the upcoming third Pirates of the Caribbean movie. Although I was originally a little harsh towards Dead Man's Chest, I've since warmed up to it immensely and I'm really pumped to see At World's End, and I was wondering what everyone else thought of it or the franchise in general?
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« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2007, 10:45:54 PM »

I liked the 1st one, didn't much care for the second one.

But the whole twist ending at the end of part 2 will sit up a really nice 3rd chapter if they don't screw it up.
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« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2007, 10:00:55 PM »

I'm going to watch PIRATES OF THE CARRIBEAN: DEAD MANS CHEST sometime just before PIRATES OF THE CARRIBEAN AT WORLDS END comes out. I'll probably start feeling like a pirate after viewing both around the same time.
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« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2007, 10:05:19 PM »

I didn't care for the first film.
Haven't seen Dead Man's Chest yet...
But the third one looks awesome!   Thumbup

I'll probably do the same thing Scott mentioned and wait to watch the 2nd one right before going to see the 3rd.
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« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2007, 11:18:11 PM »

I enjoyed the first one immensely and I've watched it countless times. I really enjoyed the overstuffed sequel, and I can't wait to see At World's End! Thousands of Pirates, Davey Jones and his monstrous crew, the British Navy, giant whirlpools, the edge of the Earth, swordfights, cannon battles, death, destruction, and ... love. It has it all!
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« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2007, 11:23:49 PM »

Jordy, I bet you race around the store at night after it closes yelling "Aarr!" at your workers.  TeddyR
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« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2007, 01:05:11 PM »

It looks like they're really, to use a cliche, pulling all the stops for the third one.  It could be too much and sink the film.  Hard to say at this point.  It's got my favorite actor, Chow Yun-Fat, in it, so even if I didn't like the first two (I did) I'd be checking it out.
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« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2007, 05:24:00 PM »

Keith Richards is also in it as Jack Sparrow's father, Teague Sparrow. But, after his comment about mixing his father's ashes with cocaine, then snorting the mixture, I doubt if Disney is going to have him do much publicity for the film.

Tickets for the premiere, which will be held at Disneyland, are already on sale. They are on sale for $1500.00 each. ("Cough! Cough!") Part of the money does go to benefit the Make-a-Wish Foundation.
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« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2007, 04:35:08 AM »

Hi,
  I think the third part of the Carribean series will be good.I saw both the parts of the film and I liked them.Now I am waiting for the film to be released in the theaters.(But the second part was not much interesting.)
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« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2007, 09:21:53 PM »

I'm probably going to go see it opening weekend.  I liked the first two films but don't have an overwhelming memory of the highlights.  The second one simply confused me plot wise but I hope it all comes together in part 3. 
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« Reply #10 on: December 09, 2007, 11:59:33 AM »

I just watched this the other day and found it to be just ok.  I guess my major problem was the same as the last film, simply too much going on.  That and several plot points that didn't quite make sense to me. 

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1.) Were we supposed to be shocked Calypso was who she was?
2.) Why put the heart of Davy Jones on his own ship?  Seems risky and a bad strategic move.
3.) Why did the "bad guys" need Jack to find the pirate's hideout?  Don't they have Davy Jones who knows just about everything regarding the sea?
4.) Is it me or did the whole trip to Asia thing seem like it should have been left out?
5.) I didn't like the explanation Calypso gave when it came to explaining how she resurrected Barboza.

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Overall, its good popcorn fun but probably the weakest entry to the series in my opinion. 
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« Reply #11 on: December 09, 2007, 12:17:48 PM »

I watched it on DVD this week and I actually liked it a lot more when I knew what to expect.  I skipped over the downer beginning and started at Singapore (where I think the movie should have started).

It's a lot of fun and you can see that the actors are having a blast playing their characters.  It's better than the second one but not as good as the first (which IMO is a modern classic).  Yeah, it's got some plot holes but it works well as a popcorn movie (although it's about a 1/2 hour/45 minutes too long).

I hope they do another movie (just a one-off not another trilogy) to wrap up Jack and Barbossa's story...but I wouldn't cry foul if they didn't do another one.
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« Reply #12 on: December 09, 2007, 06:10:09 PM »

I finally got around to watching this last night and . . . . hmmmm.  It was a colosally long, high-budget, fascinating train wreck of a movie.  I've never been a huge fan of the whole franchise, but this one just tried to do too much for one movie.  The climactic ship duel in the whirlpoos stretched out forever, and there were so many different subplots I was in a constant state of confusion . . . or was it Confucian ?  They did go to China at one point, I think.  It was worth seeing, but I don't know if I would care to sit through it again.
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« Reply #13 on: December 28, 2007, 08:28:51 AM »

The movie is about as confusing as your average big budget actioner, which is to say, not confusing at all. It amazes how with all three of these films there's a colossally large number of people who have difficulty following them. I think it's due, in large part, to audiences expecting a straightforward, connect-the-dots film and were thrown for a loop when presented with one that's....well, not intelligent, per se (far from it), but one definitely requiring a little work on their part to "get" everything, unlike the Star Wars and Indiana Jones trilogies which were straightforward, plot-wise.

Having said that, I've seen all three films enough times that I can and will be glad to explain anything anyone on here (or anywhere else) didn't get. For example the subplots of who is betraying who and making what deal with who else and why:

Will wants the Black Pearl, because he believes (if you'll remember in Dead Man's Chest) that the Pearl's ability to outrun the Flying Dutchman gives him the edge he'll need in order to beat the Dutchman and free his father. Everything else is superficial to Will at this juncture; he's so desperate to keep the promise he made to Bootstrap that he'll stab anyone in the back he needs to. So he makes a deal with Sao Feng to help him swipe the Pearl from Jack et al, only to have Sao Feng doublecross him and make his own deal with Lord Beckett. Afterwards, Will helps Beckett for reasons even I'm not entirely clear about (this section of the film is the fuzziest in terms of character motivation), but judging by the manner in which he orders Davy Jones to release Bootstrap, it's clear that Will believes if he aligns himself with Beckett, who is Davy's master, and reveals to them the location of Shipwreck Cove, then he'll be able to make them release his father.

The reason I'm fuzzy about this is because Davy never does release Bootstrap, and although Will betrays the location of Shipwreck Cove he appears to get nothing out of the deal and just sort of wanders back over to the good guys' side (without any consequences, I might add).

Lord Beckett's motivations are pretty clear-cut. He wants to wipe out piracy, and although one would think this a noble motivation, Beckett is presented as a villain and certainly does a lot of despicable things. Every deal he makes is to further his agenda in the Caribbean. He makes a deal with Sao Feng to get the Pearl for him, but then doublecrosses him with the aim of taking the Pearl for himself because, well, I'll let the movie dialogue speak for itself here: "Lord Beckett's not going to give up the only ship that can outrun the Dutchman, is he?" The deal he makes with Jack, and later Will, is to find Shipwreck Cove and, more importantly, find a means of gaining entry without much of a fight, due to its ability to withstand lengthy sieges.

This is why Beckett doesn't honor the agreements he made. Why hold up his end when they never held up theirs? The deal he made with Jack was rendered moot when the pirates came out to fight instead of staying inside Shipwreck Cove; the deal he made with Will was rendered moot the minute Will for whatever retarded reason simply walked back over to the good guys' team close to the end, in that aforementioned section of the story where people's motivations are a little unclear due to, let's face it, crappy writing.

The only other character whose motivations I could imagine would require explanation would be Sao Feng. Sao Feng hates Jack Sparrow for whatever reason (we're never told why, beyond, "You paid me great insult once.") so he is of course unwilling at first to assist Elizabeth and Barbossa in rescuing Jack. He says himself that with Beckett cracking down on piracy the only way a pirate can make his way anymore (to his way of thinking, anyway) is by selling out other pirates. This coupled with what he perceives as rudeness on the part of Elizabeth and Barbossa, what with them sending Will to swipe the charts before actually meeting to arrange for a ship and crew, and smuggling weapons into his bath house, makes him their enemy from word go. So of course he works with Will to betray them to Beckett, although he wants the Pearl for himself, likely to replace the ship lost when they went over the falls at World's End (hey, I said the title!).

But of course, Beckett betrays him and won't give him the Pearl, which severely sours him towards His Lordship. And what with the enemy of my enemy being my friend and all, Sao Feng finally agrees to join up with the good guys, this time to convene the Brethren Court. Also, at the same time Beckett betrays him, Sao Feng learns that, according to Barbossa, they have the goddess Calypso in human form with them. From this point onward until his death Sao Feng is 100% on the side of good, and it's due to a curious similarity he has with Davy Jones, namely that, like Davy, he has some infatuation with Calypso, who he believes is Elizabeth. He seems to, more or less, worship Calypso, and is also madly in love with her (or at least what she represents, namely untamable female fury) and believes that the Brethren Court's decision to bind her in human form was wrong, so he's out to make sure that she is returned to her natural state. Hence, why he makes Elizabeth captain of the Empress (his ship) upon his death.

There. Phew. Hope that helps with any confusion/Confucian anyone might have had. I admittedly went a little bit into theoretical territory with Sao Feng there at the end, particularly for his love/worship of Calypso, but I just went with what seemed to make the most sense in context.
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« Reply #14 on: December 31, 2007, 08:45:38 AM »

The writers took the "confusion=fun" formula a bit too far this time, but despite the long running time I enjoyed the whole thing more than I expected. You don't get as much action and comedy as in the Looney Tunesque second chapter, but the one you get is first rate (loved the battle at the end), and Gore Vervinski pulls enough breathtaking visuals to keep you interested.

Problems? Lots of them. Why forget so soon about the Kraken when he was used so well in the second chapter? What's the point of the long scene with the pirates council?

But if you want fun, you'll get it here.
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