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Question: Which Kirk & Picard storyline would you most like to see?
The Return of Khan - 3 (33.3%)
History Lesson - 1 (11.1%)
Prisoner of Time - 3 (33.3%)
The Guardian of Forever - 1 (11.1%)
I don't like/watch Star Trek - 1 (11.1%)
Total Voters: 9

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« on: June 24, 2007, 02:25:24 AM »

First, read the storylines below and then cast your vote.

Over at Startrek.com, they recently held a contest where fans could write up a story that brought Kirk & Picard together.
Four storylines were created and the fan community voted on which one they liked best.

Here are the official entries:

The Return of Khan
"Enterprise-D returns from a three-month, long-range recon mission beyond our galaxy and makes a shocking discovery: the Federation has been all but obliterated.

Picard learns that a renegade human colony, established nearly a century ago by James T. Kirk on Ceti-Alpha V, waged a surprise attack against Earth, and won. Picard quickly realizes the time-line has somehow been altered. The notorious Khan was not killed in an epic battle with Kirk fifteen years after he was exiled on that remote planet...

Picard orders Enterprise-D to go back in time to confront both Kirk and Khan in a desperate gambit to restore the time-line -- and the future of the Federation."


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History Lesson
"James T. Kirk is on a top-secret historical mission to present-day Earth. Someone from the future is trying to alter Earth's past, and Kirk has been ordered to find and stop him. But Kirk isn't the only agent visiting our era from the future: Jean-Luc Picard is also here, and his mission is to track down Kirk!

A game of cat-and-mouse ensues as Picard befriends Kirk and gains his confidence, all the while concealing his identity as a fellow starship Captain from the future. Picard has been told by Starfleet Command that Kirk is going to tamper with history by preventing one of the defining events of the 21st century. Picard has orders to stop Kirk, even if it means killing him."


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Prisoner of Time
"Enterprise-D discovers an escape pod floating in the void. Sensors show one human lifesign, in cryonic suspension. They beam the pod aboard and discover the occupant is James T. Kirk.

Picard orders Crusher to revive him. Kirk is amazed to find himself alive, so many years into the future -- he didn't expect there to be a future! That means there's still time... Kirk warns of an impending threat to the galaxy. But his behavior is paranoid, almost delusional. Crusher warns Picard that brain damage is often a consequence of long-term hibernation, but Kirk insists that he's completely sane, and unless Picard takes him deep into the heart of Romulan territory on what may well be a suicide mission, the entire galaxy - and every living being in it -- will be destroyed.

When Picard refuses to cross the neutral zone, Kirk steals into the Battle Bridge, separates from the saucer section, and heads into Romulan territory. Picard has no choice but to pursue..."


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The Guardian of Forever
"The Guardian of Forever is malfunctioning -- or possibly going insane. Time-quakes are erupting from it, throwing an entire sector of space into chaos. Kirk is ordered to investigate, but the Enterprise becomes trapped in a temporal eddy.

A tractor beam from another Federation ship pulls Enterprise to safety. Kirk is shocked to discover that the other ship is Enterprise-D! From the perspective of Kirk and his crew, only a few hours have passed since they entered the Guardian's system, but the temporal eddy has thrown them nearly a century into the future.

The time-quakes are becoming more violent, and could eventually spread throughout the galaxy. Kirk wants to destroy the Guardian immediately, but Picard argues that would be immoral - the Guardian is a unique, sentient being.

As the two Captains clash, the surprising source of the Guardian's malfunction is discovered... but is it too late to save this mysterious gateway to the past?"


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Which story do you like best?

To find out which story won, go to Startrek.com.

Any thoughts?
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« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2007, 09:46:13 AM »

Not a big STAR TREK fan,but I would love to see a paranoid,half insane William Shatner chewing up the screen! THAT would be worth it! Thumbup
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« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2007, 10:17:01 AM »

I've never really cared for seeing these two characters together, they're two different people. Kirk is a let's get in there and do something kind of problem solver, Picard is more of a wait and see what develops then discuss our options guy. If ever they went head to head Picard, being the more politically correct and civilized of the two would say something along the lines of "let us sit down together as two thinking beings and discuss our differences, we can then arrive at an equitable solution to this problem" and while he was saying this Kirk would blow him out of his socks.
 Having said that though, I must admit that as a Star Trek fan I would be happy to watch any or all of the stories proposed.
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« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2007, 12:09:17 PM »

You can tell these ideas were written by fans, as they are not very well thought out - at least in terms of knowing their Trek lore.

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The Return of Khan
"Enterprise-D returns from a three-month, long-range recon mission beyond our galaxy and makes a shocking discovery: the Federation has been all but obliterated.

Three months?! At maximum warp it would take years, if not decades to travel beyond the galaxy and return. Oh, I know...they're going at Ludicrous Speed and things turned plaid. Twirling


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Prisoner of Time

When Picard refuses to cross the neutral zone, Kirk steals into the Battle Bridge, separates from the saucer section, and heads into Romulan territory. Picard has no choice but to pursue..."

Pursue in what? The saucer section is not warp capable.

Yes, I am a major Trek nerd/geek. TeddyR
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« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2007, 01:09:10 PM »

Accckk!! Lookingup  They all  involve some kind of time travel element...a gag that is thoroughly played out more in the Star Trek universe than anywhere else.  Man alive!  They can explore countless planets and interact with millions of different life-form possibilites, yet they always end up going backwards or forwards in time...just to meet one another!

Granted, in order for a team up of the two captains to be feasible, some kind of time change element has to take place, it just feels so overexplored at this point.  Or worse, overexploited.....
Picard must make a dinner in honor of a great-uncle but has no idea how to cook Beef Stoganoff Nimbus III-style, so he must take the Enterprise back in time and rendezvous with Captain James Kirk to join forces and battle their way through the Throgs Neck Nebula to the Market Basket on Planet Lahnguyland, sole source of the Stroganoff worms and their rich spice.  Friendships will be forged...Lives will be lost...Action figures will be sold!

I get the impression that the writers toiling in Roddenberry's legacy and the fan-ficsters are stuck in a creative eddy!

Along the lines of Dennis' sentiment, I'd say that while the novelty of having Kirk and Picard working together was...ahem...cute...in GENERATIONS, I saw it more as a way to satisfy fans of both shows and help pass the baton smoothly from one era to the other, kind of with the implied blessing of the original Enterprise crew.  The idea of them teaming up repeatedly just doesn't gel.

I actually enjoy Riker much more immensely than Picard.  And the further along the show/movies went and the more relaxed Jonathon Frakes became in the role, the more I liked him.

That said......I voted for "History Lesson" as it involves a cat-and-mouse angle and has a vibe similar to an all-time personal favorite, TIME AFTER TIME.  Thumbup



As there are more deeply involved Star Trek fans here than myself...Not having looked to hard, I'm just curious if the the fan-fiction realm for Star Trek involves the same amount of tawdry, sweaty erotic fantasies as some of the other pop-culture fan-fic trends.  I ask because, in looking for some info for my wife about the CSI show she watches, I stumbled across a fan-fic forum in which every story involved romantic(and graphic) situations with the William Petersen character and the females on his team.

I'm no prude by a long shot, but I get a little weirded out by erotic depictions of characters from fairly seriously-handled series.  As a big Jackie Gleason fan, I had a tremendously difficult time watching(even for just a chuckle!) Ron Jeremy and friends in THE HORNEYMOONERS.  Bluesad


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« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2007, 01:47:14 PM »

This may sound strange, but I've never seen any of the Star Trek shows or movies.  At some point I decided I simply could not afford to become attached so I've consciously avoided it my whole life.  Although some friends tricked me into watching the documentary Trekkies.
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« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2007, 03:48:22 PM »

It always seems like you have to look through loads of fan fiction before you find anything of merit.  Godzilla and Star Wars fan fiction is the same way.  I've never learned enough about the rules in the Star Trek universe to comment much on some assumptions made by writers, but time travel is always a warning sign in a plot.  Pretty much, "we couldn't find another way to do this, so time travel!

This may sound strange, but I've never seen any of the Star Trek shows or movies.  At some point I decided I simply could not afford to become attached so I've consciously avoided it my whole life.  Although some friends tricked me into watching the documentary Trekkies.

Check out "The Wrath of Khan" for lots of Shatner and Montalban mugging and yelling lines that are great.  Fun popcorn movie.  For entertaining bad, go with "The Voyage Home."  Again, time travel, but this time they must use their captured Klingon ship to save some whales, in order to save the Earth in the future.  The rest of the films are king of "bleh" to me, especially the first; it is so darn LONG.
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« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2007, 05:07:25 PM »

Well I've only seen Wrath of Khan and a few Generations episodes and that's ALL I've seen for the Star Trek universe.

But I had to vote Return of Kahn.

Because I just re-watched the awesome movie last night. And I want to see Ricardo Montalbán replay the role (if he could do it just as bad assley as last time).
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« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2007, 03:08:08 PM »

I like Star Trek movies. I've seen them all, including the NGs, but I don't like Trekkies. I mean, I can barely stand Star Wars freaks, and I'm one of 'em. I don't know, there's something about Trekkies and their attitude that really get under my skin. I always wanted to smack that woman who went to jury duty in her Starfleet uniform on. I think it was when she justified wearing the get-up by saying that Army, Navy, and Marines wear their uniforms. You know, as if the Starfleet existed. As if the Starfleet put their lives on the line... I'm getting mad just thinking about it. I mean, I'm a dork but Trekkies take it to another place. My freshman roommate was friends with a real big Trekkie. He used to speak Klingon if he didn't want me to know what he was talking about, no joke!! He scoffed at me when he saw my Darth Vader mask. He asked how I could be dedicated to nothing more than a few movies, one of which was completely awful (this was pre-EII), and real snotty like. I then jokingly said something about The Voyage Home and he stormed out of the room! I was floored by that guy. Up until that point I didn't think people like that actually existed. I was never a convention guy, but I knew people who went to them. None of the people I knew were black belt dorks. I thought people just dressed up for fun. I wasn't aware of the psychosis behind it until after that guy. For the record, I also think people who name their children "Anakin" deserve a smack of equal force.

Anyway...
I enjoy the Prisoner of Time idea the best, because it pits the two against each other. Just like Endgame!




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