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« on: October 28, 2007, 09:42:50 PM »

I finished watching Saw3, and a couple of nights ago Starz did a special on slasher films.  The talked about the new Horror movies are often more about the pain inflicted rather than killers simply slashing somebody's throught,

As I thought about it, movies like Saw, Hostel, really aren't "slasher" films.  I think really we are seeing the emergance of a new horror archatype (at least I think that'sthe word) Now instead of The Slasher, we are getting "The Torturer".

Jigsaw doesn't want his victims to necessarly die-but he does want them to feel pain.  In Hostel, the torturers were trying to get their money's worth so victim were killed in long painful ways.

Anyway, that's just my opinion,  Do you agree or disagree?
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« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2007, 09:50:45 PM »

 Unfortuantly...I think your right.....and , I really don't care for them too much. Not that I find them too "horrifying"...just monotonous and boring. They lack imagination. It's just a big long squemish gross out...the lowest common denominator for film makers with no imagination. (And this is coming from a person who loves 'expliotation' films!!!)  Buggedout

 
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« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2007, 06:29:19 AM »


It's a theme that's been around in certain forms for a while now: Long drawn out pain, usually though, from psychological 'torture'.  You could say it's almost rooted in the whole 'snuff' film ideology, albeit sensationalized.  Our society these days can google videos of people getting blown up/killed in reality, so death seems a bit more trivial these days, but torture, now that's something you can sink your entertainment into.

This new generation is less subtle, but the same principles apply, only now they've combined the suspense and the kill with each other, and have sensationalized the way we view deaths on screen. 

Sure, it's primarily used as a marketing tool so people can watch a film and squirm and maybe even hoot and cheer as someone meets their brutal end, but it's an interesting development and evolution in terms of the horror genre.

Morality is probably the key theme in this: The killers in slasher films had usually one thought: kill, usually in revenge for some perceived slight, or with some goal.  In this one we are faced with morally void characters who want to extend pain upon their victims as much as possible, thereby adding more titillation on behalf of us the viewers.   

The horror genre has been in a constant state of escalation since the 70s.  This is just the next step.
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« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2007, 08:50:19 AM »

I think the "torture" films of recent years are much better due to the psychological effects in both your examples SAW and HOSTEL. In the slasher film there was psychological aspects only for the film viewer, but not really for the victim because the deaths were usually quick. Torture films are more disturbing.

You right about it being the next escalation of horror. You probably wouldn't of had the "torture" films without the earlier "slasher" films. Giallo films were before slasher films.

I never liked the "slasher" films except maybe HALLOWEEN, but the "torture" film is easier to get into even if it is disturbing filmmaking.

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« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2007, 11:07:54 AM »

The recent (negative) buzz from film critics about the recent wave of what they call "torture porn" films is similar to the campaign Siskel and Ebert went on during the popularity of 1980s "mad slasher" flicks.  Siskel and Ebert went on tirades about how the slasher movies "hated women" and referred to the filmmakers as "sleaze merchants."  Those movies are tame compared to HOSTEL, SAW and similar movies of the past few years, which, as everyone in this thread already mentioned, are geared toward pain and suffering.  Like anything eles, these films will run their course and fade from popularity.  I wonder what the next big controversy will be?  Maybe we'll end up with dozens of giant monsters being unleashed from icebergs like in the 1950s . . .
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« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2007, 02:34:17 PM »

I wonder what the next big controversy will be?  Maybe we'll end up with dozens of giant monsters being unleashed from icebergs like in the 1950s . . .

Global warming causes a iceberg to melt thus releasing a prehistoric creature which had been frozen for centuries!

I'm copywriting that idea!
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« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2007, 03:27:57 PM »

I think it makes a lot of sense that if you're going to try to scare your audience with the gore and violence instead of suspense then you'd do well to focus on the fear and suffering the gore and violence causes in the characters. I do miss the good old fashioned fun slasher, though, I really loved Rob Zombie's Halloween for being so old skool in that respect.
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« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2007, 04:30:21 PM »

Personally, I've never understood why someone would want to see a movie about people being kidnapped and totrured or whatever. I'd rather watch something totally unrealistic (aliens, giant monsters, Blobs, whatever) as opposed to the kind of brutality that could and does happen to people every single day.
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« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2007, 04:42:43 PM »

The first SAW was crazy. After the initial idea had been put on film in the first film the one's that follow there is no real interest.

Same thing for HOSTEL. What I found intriguing about this film was European Hostel lodging and travel and a look at Eastern Europe a place that seems dark and what could happen to someone over there. Makes you wonder and think twice about traveling there (or anywhere outside the U.S.). That's a scary film.

I think it's about how film developes rather than wanting to see someone tortured.
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« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2007, 05:23:40 PM »

Like anything eles, these films will run their course and fade from popularity.  I wonder what the next big controversy will be?  Maybe we'll end up with dozens of giant monsters being unleashed from icebergs like in the 1950s . . . 
 
 
 


I hope that's ture.  I'd love the Giant Monster movie genere to come back
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« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2007, 07:41:36 AM »

Personally, I've never understood why someone would want to see a movie about people being kidnapped and tortured or whatever. I'd rather watch something totally unrealistic (aliens, giant monsters, Blobs, whatever) as opposed to the kind of brutality that could and does happen to people every single day.

Actually all the old films are disturbing. Look at FRANKENSTEIN. You have a creation of a human form from the sown together body parts of deceased people. He's forced back into this life and walks around wishing he was dead. Because human creation is ugly compare to God's creations. A real nightmare.

I'd love to see our giant monsters return wether it be the rubber suited Japanese favorites or the multiple giant insect AIP type films.
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« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2007, 08:03:17 AM »

I don't see them as an archetype so much as a tiny sub genre in the horror market that probably won't grow any larger than it already is.  I look at those movies the same way I look at dogfighting - there'll always be an audience for it but I just don't see it catching on with the population in general. 
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« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2007, 08:40:13 AM »

Yea, I thought HOSTEL was different and a bit much for anyone. Again the story of Amercian tourist being caught up in some sick "elite hunting" thing was interesting. A place where you can torture Americans, but it cost more to get an American because of the world demand to torture and kill one. I don't have a great desire to see the sequel since the idea has now already been done and I don't feel more is better in this case, but I might rent it.
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« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2007, 12:51:56 PM »

I don't think that these torture films are really anything new. They've just become mainstream. They have bigger budgets and more polish, but when you get right down to it, they're not so different from movies like Two Thousand Maniacs or Blood Sucking Freaks.

It probably isn't so much a lack of imagination that gives rise to this type of movie, but rather a sincere desire to scare and horrify an audience without challenging them too much. That was the original goal of the slashers. The problem there was that the characters were idiots, the violence was really over the top, and all the deaths happened quickly, like pulling off a bandaid. People cheered for the killer and eagerly anticipated the demise of various unlikeable characters. The filmmakers played to that, and the movies got more ridiculous.

Meanwhile, people got harder to scare, and Hollywood forgot how to scare. Or maybe there just wasn't enough profit in quality scares.

So, how do you horrify people? Take a slasher film and turn it around, make the deaths longer and at least a few of the characters more sympathetic. In that light, torture films are really just slasher films with a couple of the pieces put in backward.

The problem for me is that I like old slasher films because they are cheap, cheesy, silly fun. I like seeing an indestructible psycho knocking off obnoxious people in the goofiest ways imaginable. They aren't scary. If I want to be scared, I'll watch something like The Changeling or the original Ringu films from Japan, or Session 9.

Hollywood knows how to gross you out, disturb you and make you jump, but they haven't been good at scaring people in years. Torture films just take the non-scary slasher film and make it disturbing. That just sucks the fun out for me.
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« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2007, 01:04:28 PM »

Actually films like SAW and HOSTEL must be the final end of the gore film. I mean how much more could a film visually and psychologically torture and kill a human being. I don't think anyone would want to see anything beyond what these two films have done, nor do I think it's possible to make anything more disturbing.

There are four other films that were disturbing, yet they didn't really show a lot of gore.

Psycho
Texas Chainsaw Massacre
Eraserhead
Silence Of The Lambs
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