Sequels that have nothing to do with the previous film

[Mortal Envelope]

Oh...Prom Night 2: Hello Mary Lou (or something like that) -a bad sequel that didn't have anything to do (or much to do) with the crappy original.

[HappyGilmore]

Does American Pie 4-6 count as sequels, considering basically they're just ripoffs, and the only recurring character is a cameo of sorts by Eugene Levy, even though Jason Biggs isn't even in them?

I don't count them as sequels.  IMO they are just using the name of it, just like some of the National Lampoon movies (Which I love some of them btw).

Yeah, I agree on the American Pie movies. Any follow-up movie that doesn't feature the return of the main character (that being Jason Biggs, since his wandering wang was the whole point of the title to begin with) from the previous installments, but insists on using the same title to help market it, isn't really a sequel so much as it is a spin-off... if you really want to split hairs... in which case you can take some from my beard, as there are many. 

True.  Never really thought about it.  I think the fourth they passed as a spinoff/sequel, with the rest being spinoffs.

It kinda irks me, but at the same time, eh.  I like the National Lampoon movies.  But American Pie is American Pie.

At least Eugene Levy's working.  He's hilarious.

[respectmeordye3]

Does American Pie 4-6 count as sequels, considering basically they're just ripoffs, and the only recurring character is a cameo of sorts by Eugene Levy, even though Jason Biggs isn't even in them?

I don't count them as sequels.  IMO they are just using the name of it, just like some of the National Lampoon movies (Which I love some of them btw).

Yeah, I agree on the American Pie movies. Any follow-up movie that doesn't feature the return of the main character (that being Jason Biggs, since his wandering wang was the whole point of the title to begin with) from the previous installments, but insists on using the same title to help market it, isn't really a sequel so much as it is a spin-off... if you really want to split hairs... in which case you can take some from my beard, as there are many. 

GOOD! that means that the lame Sandlot sequels they made and all the ones yet to come count as well! I mean for anyone who hasn't seen any of these movies just take a moment and look below....

The Sandlot:Set in the sixties it's a drama/comedy about a new kid who makes friends with other boys in his neighborhood. Wackiness ensues when they knock a baseball with a baseball legend's name on it over the fence where a mean junkyard dog lives,and they try to get it back.



Sandlot 2: All new characters are in this movie. Set in the seventies The "little brother" of the main character from the first movie plays ball with his friends on the same "sandlot" his older brother used to--they then band together when they accidentally send a toy rocket over the fence--of course there is no dog or scary neighbor or such--just a tall fence.They even manage to ruin one of the funniest and best jokes from the first movie in this crappy sequel.



It gets worse


Sandlot 3 : In this sequel, an obnoxious self-absorbed pro baseball player accidentally goes back in time after getting beaned on thew noggin to the "late seventies" and possesses his childhood body. 






Sandlot certainly counts if American Pie does!

[Yaddo 42]

Spiders 2 - there are giant spiders, but other than that it has absoloutely no connection to the first movie.

Slumber Party Massacre 3 - there's a slumber party and a massacre, but no connection to the previous films.

Sorority House Massacre 2 - same thing, no connection to previous movie.

Jim Wynorski's movies are kind of funny, he uses flashbacks to other movies yet he uses them in movies that aren't sequels.  For instance, Sorority House Massacre 2, Hard to Die and Cheerleader Massacre all use flashback scenes taken from Slumber Party Massacre.  I think the technical term is "padding the run time".

Wynorski did the same thing with Ghoulies 4. Clips of the first film, midgets in bad monster costumes, and a hot baddie babe running around cheap dominatrix gear. Yet, it still sucked.

[Joe]

ghoulies 4 is f**kin hilarious if you ask me. its so ludicrous its retarded, your telling me the guy from the first one, a semi-nerdy dude who inheirets his black magic dabbling fathers mansion, who ultimately studies and uses the same magic his father did, becomes a reckless hard boiled cop. WHO THE f**k COMES UP WITH THIS s**t? god, i love it.

[HappyGilmore]

Does American Pie 4-6 count as sequels, considering basically they're just ripoffs, and the only recurring character is a cameo of sorts by Eugene Levy, even though Jason Biggs isn't even in them?

I don't count them as sequels.  IMO they are just using the name of it, just like some of the National Lampoon movies (Which I love some of them btw).

Yeah, I agree on the American Pie movies. Any follow-up movie that doesn't feature the return of the main character (that being Jason Biggs, since his wandering wang was the whole point of the title to begin with) from the previous installments, but insists on using the same title to help market it, isn't really a sequel so much as it is a spin-off... if you really want to split hairs... in which case you can take some from my beard, as there are many. 

GOOD! that means that the lame Sandlot sequels they made and all the ones yet to come count as well! I mean for anyone who hasn't seen any of these movies just take a moment and look below....

The Sandlot:Set in the sixties it's a drama/comedy about a new kid who makes friends with other boys in his neighborhood. Wackiness ensues when they knock a baseball with a baseball legend's name on it over the fence where a mean junkyard dog lives,and they try to get it back.



Sandlot 2: All new characters are in this movie. Set in the seventies The "little brother" of the main character from the first movie plays ball with his friends on the same "sandlot" his older brother used to--they then band together when they accidentally send a toy rocket over the fence--of course there is no dog or scary neighbor or such--just a tall fence.They even manage to ruin one of the funniest and best jokes from the first movie in this crappy sequel.



It gets worse


Sandlot 3 : In this sequel, an obnoxious self-absorbed pro baseball player accidentally goes back in time after getting beaned on thew noggin to the "late seventies" and possesses his childhood body. 






Sandlot certainly counts if American Pie does!

I HATE the Sandlot sequels.  They took a perfectly good movie and just pimped it out.  Disney does that quite often.  I mean honestly, do we need Cinderella 3? Peter Pan 3: Return to Neverland?  Why'd he leave Neverland to begin with?  Aladdin 3?

Disney has some good movies, but that doesn't mean we need sequel upon sequel.  Only Disney sequel I can say I liked was Toy Story 2.

[AndyC]

What bugs me most about Disney is that they pump out crappy sequels of stories that aren't even Disney stories. They're monkeying around with beloved fairy tales that have been around for generations, just to make a quick buck off a DVD. Because Uncle Walt made a classic animated feature of a given story 50 or 60 years ago, the company has been able to co-opt that story and its characters as their own, right out of the public domain.

For that matter, they have just as little respect for the material they own. Disney's classic animated features were created over a span of many years. Multiple generations have enjoyed some of them, and the Disney company is still riding on that success, and milking it for all they can get. Churning out new features for theatrical and DVD release as quickly as possible, plus making highly profitable sequels to successful titles, without nearly the care or investment of time and money.

It's just sickening.

[respectmeordye3]

Does American Pie 4-6 count as sequels, considering basically they're just ripoffs, and the only recurring character is a cameo of sorts by Eugene Levy, even though Jason Biggs isn't even in them?

I don't count them as sequels.  IMO they are just using the name of it, just like some of the National Lampoon movies (Which I love some of them btw).

Yeah, I agree on the American Pie movies. Any follow-up movie that doesn't feature the return of the main character (that being Jason Biggs, since his wandering wang was the whole point of the title to begin with) from the previous installments, but insists on using the same title to help market it, isn't really a sequel so much as it is a spin-off... if you really want to split hairs... in which case you can take some from my beard, as there are many. 

GOOD! that means that the lame Sandlot sequels they made and all the ones yet to come count as well! I mean for anyone who hasn't seen any of these movies just take a moment and look below....

The Sandlot:Set in the sixties it's a drama/comedy about a new kid who makes friends with other boys in his neighborhood. Wackiness ensues when they knock a baseball with a baseball legend's name on it over the fence where a mean junkyard dog lives,and they try to get it back.



Sandlot 2: All new characters are in this movie. Set in the seventies The "little brother" of the main character from the first movie plays ball with his friends on the same "sandlot" his older brother used to--they then band together when they accidentally send a toy rocket over the fence--of course there is no dog or scary neighbor or such--just a tall fence.They even manage to ruin one of the funniest and best jokes from the first movie in this crappy sequel.



It gets worse


Sandlot 3 : In this sequel, an obnoxious self-absorbed pro baseball player accidentally goes back in time after getting beaned on thew noggin to the "late seventies" and possesses his childhood body. 






Sandlot certainly counts if American Pie does!

I HATE the Sandlot sequels.  They took a perfectly good movie and just pimped it out.  Disney does that quite often.  I mean honestly, do we need Cinderella 3? Peter Pan 3: Return to Neverland?  Why'd he leave Neverland to begin with?  Aladdin 3?

Disney has some good movies, but that doesn't mean we need sequel upon sequel.  Only Disney sequel I can say I liked was Toy Story 2.

Agreed.

Sadly the guy responsible for the original and It's lousy sequels has stated he wants to keep making more sequels to Sandlot for years to come.

[MST3KFan]

How about the Howling movies?  I don't think any of those atrocities have anything to do with any of the others in the series other than the presence of werewolves (or in one's case, were-marsupials). 

Actually I think the first two Howling movies tried to have some connection to each other, then 3, 4, 5, and 6 were their own stories that only had connection as you say with there being werewolves (sorta as some of the movies hardly showed them) then the HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE last Howling movie they did tried to somehow connect all the movies together and failed miserably.

Torture someone you hate with that last Howling movie they did as it is bad...not bad in a good way either. It killed the Howling frachise for good though it seems as well.

Another franchise which has died, but not been forgotten...Carnosaur. The second movie tried to loosely tie itself in with the first one. The third one REALLY loosely connected to the other two Carnosaur movies. And then there's the movie Raptor..which uses TONS of footage from all three Carnosaur movies for its movie.

[nshumate]

Actually I think the first two Howling movies tried to have some connection to each other, then 3, 4, 5, and 6 were their own stories that only had connection as you say with there being werewolves (sorta as some of the movies hardly showed them) then the HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE last Howling movie they did tried to somehow connect all the movies together and failed miserably.

Howling 4 was supposed to be a more faithful adaptation of Gary Brandner's novel that inspired the first movie (thus 4's subtitle, "The Original Nightmare").  But a stilted script, bad acting, cheap production, and not-quite-right South African locations doomed it.

[KYGOTC]

An american werewolf in PARIS is DOOK-MACHINE.

[Justy]

What bugs me most about Disney is that they pump out crappy sequels of stories that aren't even Disney stories. They're monkeying around with beloved fairy tales that have been around for generations, just to make a quick buck off a DVD. Because Uncle Walt made a classic animated feature of a given story 50 or 60 years ago, the company has been able to co-opt that story and its characters as their own, right out of the public domain.

For that matter, they have just as little respect for the material they own. Disney's classic animated features were created over a span of many years. Multiple generations have enjoyed some of them, and the Disney company is still riding on that success, and milking it for all they can get. Churning out new features for theatrical and DVD release as quickly as possible, plus making highly profitable sequels to successful titles, without nearly the care or investment of time and money.

It's just sickening.

Not to get off-topic but I just wanted to chime in on Disney.

I totally agree here. Disney was a great talent that totally went downhill in a bad way. The early Disney animations were great because they honored the subject material that they were using. Yes, they were Disneyfied (ie. dumbed down) but they were still good. As decades passed Disney's quality of animation totally went into the crapper.

I would say that the Little Mermaid was probably the last good Disney film. It wasn't long after that the abomination known as Disney's Hercules came out. The animation was as grotesque as the plot. I understand it's for kids but I do believe that's possible to insult a six year old.

As for the Lion King don't even call that a classic. That was a total ripoff of Tezuka's Jungle Emperor, released in the U.S. as Kimba The White Lion. Walt Disney has to rolling over in his grave for modern Disney has become. I understand that Tezuka and Walt had some early dealings, but Eisner's Disney's theft is just sad especially after the early cross-cultural animation exchanges that Walt and Tezuka had.

You wait Disney's Caligula is right around the corner.

[JPickettIII]

I think worse than this is when they actually RENAME completely unrelated (usually foreign, particularly Italian) movies for certain releases to try and sell them. There's DEMONS 3: THE OGRE, which is basically, well, THE OGRE, renamed to get sales, which has nothing at all to do with the story, the feel, the idea, the cast, or anything at all, of DEMONS.

While D3:TO was the only phoney DEMONS sequel to exist on DVD, on VHS in various places, there's a grand total of FOUR different movies released with the name DEMONS 3,  (only one of which, THE CHURCH (originally planned as DEMONS 3), having any connections with DEMONS), one ORIGINALLY named DEMONS 3 (though unrelated anyway!!) then renamed to BLACK DEMONS, then there's about 3 movies called DEMONS 4, and DEMONS 6: ARMEGEDON (Yes, Armageddon is incorrectly spelled in the name). Some are zombie movies, some demon movies, one a movie about some random satanic sect (!)... I don't think anybody has seen DEMONS 5, but it's renamed from another unrelated movie which is apparently a REMAKE of an unrelated movie from 1960.......

ITS BLOODY INSANE.

Basically, there are two Demons movies and there is a semi-prequel with a different name (The Church). Then there are about 10 random Italian unrelated movies renamed to have Demons in the title to make sales. And they didn't even bother to look for some of the many movies which even resembled Demons, just so long as they were horror movies, and they were Italian... I heard once that even Suspiria and Phenomena have been packaged with the Demons title on them.

Absolutely barking mad.

I just read this and my brain exploded.  It was like reading a quantum equation.   

On a side note, I liked "The Church" however, I don't think that it should be a sequel to Demons and Demons 2 though.  I thought it was a good enough movie to stand a lone.  I sold my DVD copy of it.  I plan on buying it again.

Later,

John

[JPickettIII]

I think worse than this is when they actually RENAME completely unrelated (usually foreign, particularly italian) movies for certain releases to try and sell them. There's DEMONS 3: THE OGRE, which is basically, well, THE OGRE, renamed to get sales, which has nothing at all to do with the story, the feel, the idea, the cast, or anything at all, of DEMONS.

While D3:TO was the only phoney DEMONS sequel to exist on DVD, on VHS in various places, there's a grand total of FOUR different movies released with the name DEMONS 3,  (only one of which, THE CHURCH (originally planned as DEMONS 3), having any connections with DEMONS), one ORIGINALLY named DEMONS 3 (though unrelated anyway!!) then renamed to BLACK DEMONS, then there's about 3 movies called DEMONS 4, and DEMONS 6: ARMEGEDON (Yes, Armageddon is incorrectly spelled in the name). Some are zombie movies, some demon movies, one a movie about some random satanic sect (!)... I don't think anybody has seen DEMONS 5, but it's renamed from another unrelated movie which is apparently a REMAKE of an unrelated movie from 1960.......

ITS BLOODY INSANE.

Basically, there are two Demons movies and there is a semi-prequel with a different name (The Church). Then there are about 10 random Italian unrelated movies renamed to have Demons in the title to make sales. And they didn't even bother to look for some of the many movies which even resembled Demons, just so long as they were horror movies, and they were Italian... I heard once that even Suspiria and Phenomena have been packaged with the Demons title on them.

Absolutely barking mad.

And we could make all the same complaints about the Italian "Zombie" pseudo-series -- especially the installments that include NO zombies.

Are you thinking of Zombie 4?

I watched that and said WTF???  I had some brain damage    trying to relate this movie to the other Zombie movies.

John

[JPickettIII]

I am shocked at all of you!!!! JK.  Why has no one mentioned "From Dusk To Dawn 2 or 3"  Both are trash that just use the name of the orginal.  Which I thought was pretty darn good.

One thing that made me mad about "From Dusk To Dawn 2" was that Bruce Campbell and Tiffany Amber Thiesen were listed as the main characters, I watched it off of satelite, and they died in the first five minutes and never made another appearance.  I was heart broken, I thought that Bruce was going to be the head vampire and Tiffany was going to be his mistress.  Oh well.

John