Neat ways to get out of a fight

[Jack]

17, 6' 1", and 200 lbs?  I don't think he'll have too much trouble with people picking on him 

I never had much problem with fights.  Somebody would be screwin' with me, I'd shove 'em off, say "Oh, f**k off" and walk away.  They'd usually lose interest.  There was some scrawny, drunk biker guy at a party once, he could barely stand up.  He really couldn't stand up after I booted him in the nuts. That's my entire experience with fights.

[Patient7]

I suppose I should point out that I'm 5'11" and around 160 lbs, nobody's ever seen me fight but they know I'm wierd so that might be getting them to back off.  However I know that if I DO get in a fight I'll grab them by the neck, then they know their dealing with  PATIENT7

Also, I'll punch them in the nads if the need arises.

[Menard]

I suppose I should point out that I'm 5'11" and around 160 lbs, nobody's ever seen me fight but they know I'm wierd so that might be getting them to back off.  However I know that if I DO get in a fight I'll grab them by the neck, then they know their dealing with  PATIENT7

Also, I'll punch them in the nads if the need arises.

Actually, both of those are bad moves as either technique leaves your defenses down.

If you are going to grab someone's nads, and I mean grab hold of them and twist, you need to be standing almost close enough to kiss them. Though that may seem contrary, at that close of a distance, they would have to back off of you first if they were going to throw a punch, and that leaves them open.

If you are going for the neck, don't grab it, just punch them in the throat (not too hard as that could actually kill someone).

Frankly, if you are grabbing hold to someone, it had better be by something that disables them as, if it does not, you have tied up one of your hands while their's are both free and able to hurt you.

[Allhallowsday]

...you have tied up one of your hands while their's are both free and able to hurt you.

I think in this instance you could use the presumptive gender...   

[Menard]

...you have tied up one of your hands while their's are both free and able to hurt you.

I think in this instance you could use the presumptive gender...   

 

You are most certainly correct.

[CheezeFlixz]

Actually most people who are experienced fighter will expect to be attacked in the crotch and will stand slightly sideways to swivel their hips to avoid such an attack. You'll like meet with a strong upper cut if you move in to do a nut grab, a properly delivered upper cut will knock you out cold.

Now what most people don't expect is a punch with only the first to joints of your finger bent to the throat. This can crush their esophagus in one blow. Nor do that expect to have you try and pull their ear off, if you have Obama ears this can be a problem, it takes about 13 pounds of force to tear an ear off, I find this to be somewhat distracting to your opponent to have a ear missing.  Now if they stand to far sideways this leaves their kidneys open to attack, a couple of hard hit to the kidneys will put them down and they'll be p**sing blood for a while. The back of the head is a weak spot too, strong hits to the back of the head will cause lights out. Should you get knocked down roll out of the way to avoid a kick and grab a hand full of sand, dirt, whatever if possible and throw it in their eyes. If down, try using a sweep kick to bring them down, keep in mind your legs are far more powerful than your arms, use them. And never get against a wall or fence that's the best way to get you butt handed to you. If you really want to fight dirty, try stabbing them in the neck with a pen, good chance you'll win. 
The key to winning is to remember there are no rules.

[Menard]

The key to winning is to remember there are no rules.

I would like to point out that for a schoolyard brawl lethal tactics are generally not a good idea.

[CheezeFlixz]

The key to winning is to remember there are no rules.

I would like to point out that for a schoolyard brawl lethal tactics are generally not a good idea.

Have you seen some of the schools nowadays?

[Menard]

The key to winning is to remember there are no rules.

I would like to point out that for a schoolyard brawl lethal tactics are generally not a good idea.

Have you seen some of the schools nowadays?

Kids aren't much different today than when either one of us went to school. The main thing is the degree of repression: locked doors, metal detectors, verbal intolerance (making a comment like 'I'm going to kill you' as bragging rights for one's non-existent fighting skills can now get a kid hauled off by the police and forced into therapy).

It's not the kids that have changed, but the totalitarians that are running things and repressing kids to the point that they blow up because they have no other, or feel they don't, outlet.

Back in my day, an occasional gun would show up in someone's locker and they would go to the office, perhaps talk to a cop who would scare the hell out of them, and be reported to their parents, who would scare the hell out of them even more.

Of course, small caliber handguns were not that difficult to sneak into school, and rarely, if ever, was it loaded as it was primarily for bragging rights.

Of course, back in your day, I realize it was difficult to sneak a flintlock into school.

[CheezeFlixz]

Kids aren't much different today than when either one of us went to school. The main thing is the degree of repression: locked doors, metal detectors, verbal intolerance (making a comment like 'I'm going to kill you' as bragging rights for one's non-existent fighting skills can now get a kid hauled off by the police and forced into therapy).

It's not the kids that have changed, but the totalitarians that are running things and repressing kids to the point that they blow up because they have no other, or feel they don't, outlet.

Back in my day, an occasional gun would show up in someone's locker and they would go to the office, perhaps talk to a cop who would scare the hell out of them, and be reported to their parents, who would scare the hell out of them even more.

Of course, small caliber handguns were not that difficult to sneak into school, and rarely, if ever, was it loaded as it was primarily for bragging rights.

Of course, back in your day, I realize it was difficult to sneak a flintlock into school.

Yes Flintlocks were quite bulky, me being around a year older than you, you'd know that.

To a degree I agree with you ... are you setting down? I know you are shocked.

Kids are kids and that doesn't change much, now I DO think that kids today are more desensitized to sex and violence. What was a violent toy in the 60', Rock'em Sock'em Robots? Lawn Darts? Today nearly every game is based around killing something, and often it's quite graphic. Now I'm not blaming games on the problem, I think it has more to do with poor parenting and parents being to wrapped up in their own life to raise their children right and relay on the electronic babysitter. I could go on a big spill about what I see some parents doing wrong (IMO) ... I get a close look at it as my wife does parental terminations, foster care and adoptions. Some of these kids have raised themselves and didn't do a very good job. Many of these parents aren't worth killing. There are exceptions, but they are rare where a parent sees the light and turns their life around and flies right. One quick example of what I'd call a stupid parent was some 8 or 9 year old kid I saw in Best Buy ask their parent "Mom can I get this game? (Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas) and she agreed and let him get it she didn't even look to see what it was ... my head nearly exploded. this is a adolescent child getting and playing a game about stealing cars and killing people ... smart move MOM ... those rating are there for a reason, read them.
Facts are many kids lack positive role models and guidance that they so desperately need. It's like I said in my original post in this thread the smart thing to do in a fight is to walk away. 99.9% of the things people (especially kids and young adults) fight over is not worth fighting over. And I'm a fine one to talk, I spent from the first grade to about age 25 or so, fighting at the drop of a hat over stupid stuff, foolish, just flat out foolish. Live and learn.   

[Menard]

To a degree I agree with you ... are you setting down? I know you are shocked. 

Dang, I forgot to check the calendar today to see if Hell was scheduled to freeze over.


Interesting that we have gone through the 'toy guns are bad' phase, but apparently a virtual gun that a kid uses to kill people in a game is okay.

I quite disagree with those who say that video games and movies don't have any affect on kids. I not saying that either is going to make the kid go out and commit a crime, but we are a collective of our experiences and if a kid is pretty much left alone with hardly anything else but that, then what life lessons are they basing right and wrong on?

Certainly it is easy to say it is bad parents, and in many cases it is someone who has no better upbringing to provide any better for their kids; kind of like passing the torch of non-commitment. There are as well parents who don't have much quality time with their kids just trying to make ends meet, and single mothers who have to work two jobs and try to take care of their kids while the one who ran out on them is out there doing it again.

The ratings don't necessarily mean that much. Who is making the decision for me that a certain game is okay for a child of a certain age? Of course, that speaks to your point that the parent should be the one making that decision and not relying on some game manufacturer or ratings guideline to do it for them.

Quite frankly, we can spend a lot of time blaming it on everyone eventually, but to me it comes down to the companies themselves. They promote these products to kids with the knowledge that a lot of parents aren't going to check it out because they presume the company is watching out for them. The company only gives a damn about profit and will feed the innate human desire for bloodlust in any way they can.

One thing that sickens me about my own business, magazine merchandising, is that the distributors themselves use the same type of cross promotion that happens when Hollywood studios advertise R-rated movies on video game machines that they know are being played by 12 year old kids. Every planogram for magazines puts the kids and teen titles next to the heavy metal magazines (Walmart, hypocritically, is about the worst for this while Kroger at least has somewhat of a buffer zone).

Some would call it natural, but the intent, and companies do not hide this, is to get kids interested in the music magazines so that they can cross merchandise music CDs (both magazine distributors for which I work also distribute music CDs to many of the same stores where they distribute magazines).

That's just my aimless ranting. Don't know if I actually said anything; I think it was all random.

[CheezeFlixz]

Quite frankly, we can spend a lot of time blaming it on everyone eventually, but to me it comes down to the companies themselves. They promote these products to kids with the knowledge that a lot of parents aren't going to check it out because they presume the company is watching out for them.

Any parent that thinks a company is looking out for their kid is a bad parent or at the very least a stupid/naive one, that is the job of the parent to look out for their kids.

Remember at x-mas we'd get a cap gun or pop gun with a holster and cowboy hat? No blood, no gore just pretend. Nothing is left to the imagination anymore. The cartoon violence of Bug Bunny and Elmer Fudd have given way to the graphic sex and violence of Animie and overly graphic games which are fine for adults, but not kids. Guess that's why I like Zelda where it just disappears into a puff of smoke, I don't need guts and brains splattered on the screen to get the point their dead.

So one can say parent have to work two jobs and have little time for parenting, but that is a poor excuse. It what you do with your kids while you're with them more so than how much time you have with them. Quality over quantity. I know parents that have plenty of time available to the their kids, but fail to spend time with them, fail to instruct them on right and wrong, fail to give them guidance. There going be watching TV one night and see their kid on a Girl Gone Wild commercial and wonder where they went wrong.

Yes the companies are going to market to kids, they always have ... candied cigarettes, bubble gum cigars ring a bell? But is it the companies fault if a parent doesn't look to see what their kids are watching or playing? That straight out of the blameless society we are living in today. It's always somebody else's fault, nope the buck has to stop somewhere and when it come to your kids, it stops with you.

Speaking of planogram's and displays when I was about 9 or 10 I went to the store and I bought a MAD, CRACKED (remember that one) and another one called "GOODIES" well MAD and CRACKED were about the same, GOODIES had a ton of T&A in it, sort of a early Heavy Metal type mag, well I got them home and I my mother saw them and looked it them, MAD - Ok, Cracked - OK ... Goodies - she snapped! I had to take it back, tell them what it was so not to sell it to other kids and I had several other punishments to go along with it all over poorly drawn cartoon boobs. Point is more parent back then found out what you were up to, looking at, hanging with, doing etc ... not very many today do, they justify it by saying "Aw, I've seen worse on a commercial." or "It isn't that bad." Some parents just seem to not want the responsibility of being a parent. You brought them into this world, now raise them.

Remember when some parents sued Black Sabbath because they said their kids played the album backwards and heard the words "Kill yourself" and the kid did? Well was it that Black Sabbath's fault or was it the fault if the parent for not paying any attention to a kid that clearly had greater issues. I played all kinds of albums backwards growing up and never heard a thing unless you really stretched your imagination. The only thing it ever caused me to do was screw up a bunch of albums and needles. I am so sick and tired of hearing parents say it's not my fault, I did all I could, I don't know what happened to them, it's the TV's fault, the internet, anything but me. BS! You (collectively said) know what the problem is and it's in the mirror.

[Scott]

"I'm a lover not a fighter." 

Simply walk away if you don't want to fight. No harm done. If they insist then do what you can. Remember there are no rules in a real fight. Only been in three encounters in my adult life and 2 of them could have been avoided if I chose to.

There are three levels of non-weapon threats:

1.) The drunkard - This is no threat if you get out of the way. Using some basic control techniques should suffice.
2.) The macho man - Their ego will defeat them if you have some basic ability and knowledge.
3.) The educated fighter - They don't usually instigate a fight. This type fight never happens unless your in compitition.

There are three levels of fighting ability:

1.) The Novice - Learned enough to get themselves killed.
2.) Advance Student - Learned enough to kill, injure, and some control.
3.) Master - Learned enough to control without injuring or killing if they choose.

I have no desire to fight anyone. Nobody wins in a fight.

[Scott]

Actually I don't believe in the invincible fighter or master idea. I believe anyone can be beat on any given day. It's the element of surprise that can lead to survival. It's the ability to deliver the unknown. It's also good to increase your knowledge and skill as these increase your odds.

There is always someone bigger, stronger, faster, and/or smarter than another. Not everyone can remain at their peak. Just learn how to handle yourself without getting overly involved in the fight game.

It's really best to forget about fighting and to look towards eternal things.

Seek the heart of God.

[Patient7]

Actually I don't believe in the invincible fighter or master idea. I believe anyone can be beat on any given day. It's the element of surprise that can lead to survival. It's the ability to deliver the unknown.

Hence the neck grab, I'm just saying that if a person has no fighting experience this'll probably put a good scare in them.  But as Menard said, I'm screwed if they actually CAN fight.