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« on: August 16, 2009, 03:42:50 AM »


I know some will call me cruel for this, but I don't have a lot of sympathy for people who die while doing tremendously stupid things, and I rank armed robbery on the Top 10 of stupid things to do. 

Just find it interesting this story even got reported, usually the media tend to ignore stuff like this (that or say the would be victim "fought off" the attacker, without bothering to mention the good guy had a weapon to do it with.)

Oh, and it turns out one of the robbers accidentally shot his partner in crime!   TeddyR

http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/53259052.html

Victim Kills Would-Be Robber
By Elizabeth Braun, Melanie Stout

MILWAUKEE - A man was being robbed at gunpoint when he pulled out his own gun and shot one of the suspects.

It all happened early Thursday near 1st and Clarke. The 23-year-old Milwaukee man was in the area when two teenagers pulled out a gun and tried to rob him.

That victim also had a gun. He shot and killed one suspect, 17-year-old Kevin Ollie. Ollie's gun also went off, and he accidentally shot the other teen robber.

The robbery victim's family says he had no choice but to fight back.

That robbery victim has never been convicted of a crime and is not in custody.

The 19-year-old surviving robber is behind bars. The DA is deciding whether he will face felony murder charges for his role in the botched robbery.

The robbery victim's family hopes that happens.

The robbery victim was not hurt during the ordeal. Friday detectives brought him to a line up to identify the robbery suspect.

A decision on charges against the 19-year-old surviving robber should come Monday.
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« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2009, 05:34:12 AM »

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« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2009, 07:48:19 AM »

I don't get any satisfaction from anybody dying. Not even Kevin Spacey at the end of Se7en.
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« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2009, 07:54:18 AM »

I don't get any satisfaction from anybody dying.

I do.
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« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2009, 07:54:59 AM »

I don't get any satisfaction from anybody dying.

I do.

You are a dark man.
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« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2009, 11:52:47 AM »

Epic win?   Buggedout  "Robbery victim"?  Carrying a gun...  All of these young men under 25, all carrying their own guns...?  I don't think this story is what it has been characterized as.  "The robbery victim has never been convicted of a crime..."   Lookingup
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« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2009, 03:39:01 PM »

Its like the wild, wild west. yes, i am a proponent of gun control.  Smile
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« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2009, 04:39:09 PM »

Its like the wild, wild west. yes, i am a proponent of gun control.  Smile

Me too.  If you can't control your gun, you shouldn't pack one.   BounceGiggle

I'm not in favor of the wild west era, but if some jerk decides to whip out a gun to commit a crime, it would be nice for him to have it in the back of his fried little mind that he might be facing one himself. 

But then, I advocate a life sentence if a gun is used in the commission of a crime, whether it is loaded or not. And if anyone dies during the crime, even just a heart attack, the criminals should receive the death penalty.  In both cases, you have 120 days to appeal.  If there is no evidence to back up any appeal, pull their plug on day 121.  Allow people to make their own choices, but make sure there is no question as to the consequences of their actions.
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« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2009, 04:58:21 PM »

but if some jerk decides to whip out a gun to commit a crime, it would be nice for him to have it in the back of his fried little mind that he might be facing one himself. 


I hear this often, and the rebuttal is always "Well if guns were BANNED, that guy wouldn't be able to do that in the first place".

IMO, how it should read is "but if some jerk decides to whip out a WEAPON to commit a crime, it would be nice for him to have it in the back of his fried little mind that he might be facing A GUN himself". I've been mugged several times, every time the person had a knife, every time it was a knife anyone could buy at Wal-mart. Once the guy's intent was to kill me no matter what, had I not been faster, I would have died. A slower person could have only survived with a gun the way I see it.
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« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2009, 05:24:57 PM »

The problem with gun control laws is that they only disarm law-abiding citizens.  A few years ago Australia enacted Draconian handgun control laws in response to a dreadful day-care shooting - a massacre, actually.

The result has been a massive increase in the number of gun crimes, as the criminal element realizes that all their potential victims are now weaponless.

And, in case you are wondering, I am neither a handgun owner nor an NRA member.

But the solution to every  problem is not to pass another new law.  Every law passed is one more freedom lost.
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« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2009, 06:13:32 PM »

By the time the firearm was invented, mankind had long before given up hunting (except as sport) in favor of farming.  Guns were invented and improved upon for the singular purpose of killing people.  I am not at all in favor of stripping freedoms from free people.  I do believe, however, that if handguns and assault weapons were illegal to own and almost impossible to acquire, gun deaths will fall.   It is an insightful culture that recognizes fallacies and just plain wrong thinking.   When the founding fathers hammered out basic rights, the firearm was a necessary tool, most particularly in the battles with redcoats, as well as for things like hunting and protection (at a time when there were no police, but plenty of robbers, pirates, and displaced natives...)  We live in a very different culture and a much smaller world than 200 years ago.   
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« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2009, 06:30:09 PM »

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« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2009, 06:33:19 PM »

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I do believe, however, that if handguns and assault weapons were illegal to own and almost impossible to acquire, gun deaths will fall.

. . . and will be replaced by beatings, stabbings. Getting rid of guns altogether changes little, except that you put physical size/strength back into it. IOW, it will come down to the bigger/stronger/faster/more drug-fueled person always having the upper hand. Why people think that is better is beyond me.

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(at a time when there were no police, but plenty of robbers, pirates, and displaced natives...)

Since we know know that the police are at all times everywhere, and never more that a few seconds away. That argument is oh so stale. There are far less police now than there have been in the past, and a large part of this is because the police are very ineffective at solving immediate problems. Adding more police solves nothing but budget surpluses. I have NEVER had nor heard of police showing up for anything in less than 10 minutes, they are not even remotely close to a suitable replacement for someone being able to defend themselves. Gun control proponents' so often answer with "call the police" as a solution to a problem, even after hearing hundreds of 911 recordings of people being attacked, all the while being told "Just stay calm, the police are almost there" for minutes on end.

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« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2009, 06:46:49 PM »

The news story does not mention whether the man who defended himself had a permit to carry or not.  However, I am firmly in support of citizens being able to keep and bear arms.  I taught my wife how to safely handle a firearm and how to use it correctly.  I will teach my children once they are old enough to do so and to understand the responsibility.
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« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2009, 07:24:57 PM »

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I do believe, however, that if handguns and assault weapons were illegal to own and almost impossible to acquire, gun deaths will fall.
. . . and will be replaced by beatings, stabbings. Getting rid of guns altogether changes little, except that you put physical size/strength back into it. IOW, it will come down to the bigger/stronger/faster/more drug-fueled person always having the upper hand. Why people think that is better is beyond me.
Well, I think you're overlooking the ease with which a gun kills.  Sure there will always be murder, but how many more people might live if no gun is involved?  It's a lot harder to kill with your hands than with a gun. 

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(at a time when there were no police, but plenty of robbers, pirates, and displaced natives...)
Since we know know that the police are at all times everywhere, and never more that a few seconds away. That argument is oh so stale. There are far less police now than there have been in the past, and a large part of this is because the police are very ineffective at solving immediate problems. Adding more police solves nothing but budget surpluses. I have NEVER had nor heard of police showing up for anything in less than 10 minutes, they are not even remotely close to a suitable replacement for someone being able to defend themselves. Gun control proponents' so often answer with "call the police" as a solution to a problem, even after hearing hundreds of 911 recordings of people being attacked, all the while being told "Just stay calm, the police are almost there" for minutes on end.
I don't understand your complete bump over 200 years of history.  I was discussing the police then, not now.  I never said they were "seconds away..."  I have nothing to say about modern police responsiveness, tactics, or reliability.  There may indeed be "far less police now than there have been in the past"  but I was referring to the founding fathers, you know, as in the long past when there were no police, not say 1900, or the post war era, or whenever you think there may have been far more police.  I am merely offering an opinion about why the right to bear arms was included in the Bill of Rights.  Don't construe a point of view from my commentary; in my thought process, it is a starting point only.  In other words, don't stick me with your stale old argument. 

The news story does not mention whether the man who defended himself had a permit to carry or not.  However, I am firmly in support of citizens being able to keep and bear arms.  I taught my wife how to safely handle a firearm and how to use it correctly.  I will teach my children once they are old enough to do so and to understand the responsibility.
Well that's a well considered response. 
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