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« on: September 10, 2009, 02:08:17 PM »

Recently I Heard That They Interviewed Shia Lebouf (that kid from all those crappy movies that i've never seen) And In The Interview He Mentioned That They Are Thinking About TRANSFORMERS 3 , And Also They Are Talking About INDIANA JONES 5


Michael Bay And George Lucas Really Don't Know When To Stop
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« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2009, 05:34:50 PM »

I think Transformers 3 was announced a while ago, I want to pass but I'm tempted to see how Bay makes another junky disaster.

Oh and Indy is definitely getting raped.
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« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2009, 09:54:40 PM »

George Lukas has an impulsion to destroy everything good he ever made

I'm betting it's medical
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« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2009, 10:00:11 PM »

Lucas is one of the luckiest guys alive period.  He captured lightning in a bottle and ran with it.  I will come forward and say I love Star Wars and have contributed to his tyranny.  However, generally his stuff only works when he isn't all over it.  If you think about it, Star Wars is a goofy concept but they made it work with the imagery and characters alone.  Dialog and plot really aren't too big of a thing in his movies.

Oh and anything Shia Lebouf touches is going to suck.  I'm convinced.  
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« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2009, 08:24:12 AM »

o.k. guys...just so I understand ya'll better on this site,

If a movie sucks..or you think it will suck ..does that mean you dig it???

I thought that both transormers flicks were pretty decent. I mean..I saw the first one on DVD and thuroughly enjoyed it enough to catch the second in the theater..which i rarely do...over priced and hardly ever worth it..
I pick and choose my movies to view in the cinema quite intensly....I was not disappointed with Trans 2 at all.

But i was disappointed with GI JOE...should have passed on that one....but next up will most definetly be Zombieland.
anyway..back to the question.

if it sucks do you dig it????
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« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2009, 10:17:36 AM »

Sir, you have opened a huge can of worms, but that’s okay.  This nature of this site means a lot of things, and covers enormous area.  “Bad movies” means different things to different people, yet also has some common threads.  I’ll try to keep this brief, but I’ll admit to lip service right there, because what I’m really going to do is deconstruct like a mother f***er.

First, a bit of evolution.  Appreciation for bad movies started in the camp, or kitsch movements.  This started quietly in the 1970’s.  Up to then, most films had been made with genuine intent.  Films like The Blob, Reefer Madness, even the work of Ed Wood and Japanese monster movies, were seriously intended, that is, these filmmakers were not trying to make a joke.  Likewise, American culture and societal norms were such that most moviegoers watched these films without the slightest hint of irony.  In other words, people took The Blob seriously. 

Then, the 60’s happened.  There were many good and many bad things that resulted from the 60’s.  Among the good things, however, is that Americans began to become more mentally divergent, that is, to think for themselves.  Norms were crushed, and people began to think in more varied ways, and people began to realize some things.  They began to realize that Reefer Madness was hilarious because it had no basis in reality.  They found out that The Blob, and many films of its ilk, was really a propaganda film that played on Cold War paranoia.  And so, people began to appreciate these films strictly from a sense of irony, that is, they were no longer taken seriously, and in fact appreciating their “badness” was a means of illustrating some of the narrow-mindedness and, in some cases, outright evil that they represented.  The camp and kitsch movements didn’t occur for a few years, however, because everyone was too busy getting high and concentrating on Vietnam and space travel that was actually starting to happen.

Once the dust settled, and the idealism of the 60’s gave way to very dark times in American culture, people began to look back on these films with a proper sense of irony, as they had become much more hardened.  Mixed with this irony, however, was a sense of nostalgia for younger times, times that, while somewhat superficial, were filled with the hopes of the post-war dream (I’m talking about WWII here).  You can see the beginnings of camp and kitsch in films like The Groove Tube and The Kentucky Fried Movie, and in the early years of SNL.  This is not to say that irony did not exist before the 70’s.  Dr. Strangelove will demonstrate that.  However, the difference there is that Dr. Strangelove was not looking back.  Camp and kitsch have nowhere to look but back, even if the past is being tied in to the present. 

Since that time, camp and kitsch have evolved into a much broader thing.  “Bad” movies are appreciated, both old and new, for their campiness.  Sometimes, as in the case with Tremors, the filmmaker, and most of the audience, knows it’s a joke, that it is a parody and tribute to 50’s creature features.  Other times, as in an Arnie film, for example, some people take the film seriously, and some don’t.  But, as is the case with anything that first starts out as an ironic appreciation, at some point it turns, at least partially, into genuine appreciation.  This is where everything becomes hazy.  Someone on this site can talk about a movie sucking, and they really mean that they don’t even like it at all, even from an ironic perspective, such as with a Uwe Boll film.  Still others may talk about the same film and love it because it is trash and they know it.  There is always going to be a mix of ironic and real appreciation, or even no appreciation at all.  Finding the perspective from which someone posts becomes very difficult sometimes.  Some who first visit this site may be confused, and understandably so.  But a common thread does tend to emerge: we love bad movies, and we also love good movies, and we also know that the line between the two can be thin and blurred.  Most will agree that the South Park parody of George Lucas and Stephen Spielberg raping Indiana Jones on a pinball machine was a fitting portrayal of what has happened to the franchises they created in the 80’s, while also admitting, usually begrudgingly, that those franchises were also kind of campy themselves. 

These are complicated times we live in, fellow posters.  I think most of you will agree that these forums illustrate that fact quite well. 

Regards to all.     
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« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2009, 04:28:30 PM »

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« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2009, 05:28:34 PM »

I blame my involvement in bad movies on drugs and beer...what was the question?

Yeah, it is hard to pinpoint where the line is drawn.  I have friend who roll their nose up at anything I mention, but they go on and on about stuff like Transformers and G.I. Joe.  At least I know that the stuff I like isn't worth anything except entertainment and they didn't have a budget that would have fed a Third World country for 10 years.

People have lost the ability to distinguish "good" from "entertaining".  The stuff a lot of us watch and go on about is entertaining but will never be good.  A lot of what ends up at the top of the box-office results each week aren't good either; they are merely entertaining. Yet people will say "It was good."  I am endlessly explaining the difference between "good" and "entertaining".

Then I get the argument of "You can't say anything about such and such because you won't even watch it." So I have to explain I don't stick my fingers into every open flame I see, but I know I'm likely to regret it if I choose to do so. And I also point out that they won't take the time to watch the movies I mention, yet they roll their noses up at the thought, so they have no room to talk based on the same argument.

If a movie sucks, it sucks.  If it is entertaining while it sucks, the folks here might become fans of it.  That's the only real criteria I can think of for the films adored by the badmovies.org folks.
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« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2009, 07:40:37 PM »

I don't disagree with the wise words of jlb67 and Javakoala, but the simple answer is...

I've never heard anyone here use the word "suck" to describe something they consider so-bad-it's-good. 
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« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2009, 09:51:13 AM »

Agreed, Rev.  However, it was clear it was a new visitor and, so I felt that the question should have been addressed.  Besides, I'm a bit of a blowhard and love to spout about movies, so it's a win-win for me.

Also, Javakoala, your post was hilarious.
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