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« on: August 11, 2010, 07:38:30 AM »

That probably explains a lot.  It shows how backward I am. Most people get more conservative as they age, I'm getting more liberal.  I consider myself a moderate.

http://livefeed.hollywoodreporter.com/2010/08/fox-news-has-oldest-cable-audience.html#more-6344
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« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2010, 11:14:13 AM »

They also have the most uninformed audience.
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« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2010, 12:22:38 PM »

Most people naturally gravitate toward new sources, articles, studies, data, that mirrors their inclinations, and tend to reject most other information. Sad, but true. I probably spend more time looking at information that does not support my views. It keeps me from burying my head in the sand. But I've got nothing against Fox News. It's a conservative option, just as CNN is a more liberal option. I would say I access CNN just a little more than Fox News, but I do look at both frequently.
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« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2010, 04:45:31 PM »

They also have the most uninformed audience.

Actually, several surveys have showed that folks who watch Fox News and listen to Talk Radio are more likely to have a college education and more likely to have full-time jobs than those who watch CNN or MSNBC.  Yes, FOX tilts conservative, but that being said, with few exceptions, they fact-check their stories pretty thoroughly and fess up when they are wrong about something.  Even Glen Beck, whom I REALLY don't like, challenges those who disagree on a regular basis to prove his facts wrong.

Dislike the slant?  cool.  But don't bash the audience with falsehoods.
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« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2010, 04:48:04 PM »

FOX's problem is they don't have enough of the hip demographic advertisers want. ratings are only part of a tv programs picture. Walker Texas Ranger routinely had higher ratings than The X Files, but which one was trendier? 
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« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2010, 04:55:37 PM »

FOX's problem is they don't have enough of the hip demographic advertisers want. ratings are only part of a tv programs picture. Walker Texas Ranger routinely had higher ratings than The X Files, but which one was trendier? 

Perhaps advertisers market research revealed that the average X-Files viewer had more disposable income than the average Walker: Texas Rager viewer had. I have no idea if that's true, but maybe.

Wait, we were talking about news, right?
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« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2010, 05:12:35 PM »

They also have the most uninformed audience.


Actually, several surveys have showed that folks who watch Fox News and listen to Talk Radio are more likely to have a college education and more likely to have full-time jobs than those who watch CNN or MSNBC.  Yes, FOX tilts conservative, but that being said, with few exceptions, they fact-check their stories pretty thoroughly and fess up when they are wrong about something.  Even Glen Beck, whom I REALLY don't like, challenges those who disagree on a regular basis to prove his facts wrong.

Dislike the slant?  cool.  But don't bash the audience with falsehoods.

No falsehoods at all.
http://people-press.org/report/319/public-knowledge-of-current-affairs-little-changed-by-news-and-information-revolutions

They more than tilt right.. They are the mouth piece of the GOP. Fine, I dont care if they are or not but trying to pretend they arent is just wrong.  They lie and mislead all the time.  I never said their entire audience was uninformed.. A good chunk of them and that is a fact. Those who get all their information from the likes of Glen Beck and dont bother to research it on their own.
But what can you expect from a "news" organization that argued in court it has a right to lie to its viewers.
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« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2010, 05:58:37 PM »

On a related note, I've always noticed something that has always disturbed me about the average every-day conservative Republican. I work with alot of them currently, but amongst my friends, it's a pretty even mix between conservative and liberal.

Anyway, I tend to lean to what some would say right, only because of my unabashed love of free-market capitalism, but I do p**s off alot of conservatives because I embrace more in the way of personal freedoms than most do. What is it about conservative Republicans and chain emails that are outright lies? I get emails sent to me from coworkers and friend and family that are very right-leaning, and they are either loaded with lies, or outright hoaxes, usually pointed at President Obama. I'm no Obama supporter. What I find sad about this is that these emails are believed as outright truth by the people I know that are on the right. Just a little research and these emails are easily debunked as untruthful or outright fabrications. Even when I point out the lie or the hoax they get very defensive and call me a liberal socialist, even though I'm not. Probably just a knee-jerk reaction to being caught buying into a hoax. The reason I find this so sad is because, even though I think the majority of people who call themselves conservative Republicans these days ARE misinformed and easily accept lies when they support their views with little to no attempt at verification, they are the only mainstream friend of capitalism we've got, and I would much rather they be seekers than suckers.

I'm not saying that liberals don't lie. Don't think I'm saying that for a second, but they do at least seem to lie on a more sophisticated level. I don't receive liberal-agendized chain emails like that. It just seems that in general liberals don't stoop to such low depths as to send out emails filled with transparent lies that five minutes of research online would debunk either mostly or entirely. Even on events that I do get a news article or an email from a liberal acquaintence about something left-leaning, it may have lies in it, but it does at least have mostly verifiable data in it, albeit sometimes used in a skewed fashion.

I would guess that the reason this is so epidemic is because the Republicans are very hurt by Obama being our president, and being in the minority, that they are throwing everything they can think of at the issue, even if they have to make things up, like these birthers who insist on the idea that Barack Obama is not a naturalized citizen. Attack the man all you want. There's plenty to attack without having to act like babies. The man is a natural born citizen. Get over it. You're embarassing yourself.

It's no wonder I'm a registerd libertarian. I see no reason to become a Republican or a Democrat any time soon.
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« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2010, 09:45:19 PM »

I must confess I agree with you on that one.  I have a number of friends, mostly elderly, who are constantly forwarding discredited stuff to me.  I generally send back that this rumor has been debunked, please don't forward, etc.

On the birth certificate issue, I do think Obama has deliberately fueled the fire by never releasing his long form birth certificate, which would end the controversy.  It's actually a shrewd move - it dangles that tiny fig leaf of possibility out there, and the birthers fall all over themselves to "prove" it one way or the other - which enables the President to dismiss his critics as being all cranks and nutjobs like Orly Taitz or whatever her name is that started this whole mess.

Each party has its share of cranks, all right.  Now excuse me while I go read 3mnKids link so I can respond properly.
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« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2010, 11:26:46 PM »

That probably explains a lot.  It shows how backward I am. Most people get more conservative as they age, I'm getting more liberal.  I consider myself a moderate.

http://livefeed.hollywoodreporter.com/2010/08/fox-news-has-oldest-cable-audience.html#more-6344


Actually that's not too uncommon among people who happen to have at least partally open minds.

A lot of young conservatives are that way due to their rearing, and they tend to have the typical "black and white my mind's made up don't try confusing me with facts" attitude that's the hallmark of conservative...views.


Now some people who have a genetic disposition towards open mindedness eventually begin to notice that the real world isn't always so black and white, and that a lot of conservative views are wrong if you consider some inconvenient truths and pesky facts that those with a genetic disposition to close mindedness can more easily ignore than the open minded.

So, if you find yourself becoming more tolerant and less conservative as time goes by, it just means you are disposed to open mindedness. Congratulations.

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« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2010, 11:31:07 PM »

They also have the most uninformed audience.

Actually, several surveys have showed that folks who watch Fox News and listen to Talk Radio are more likely to have a college education and more likely to have full-time jobs than those who watch CNN or MSNBC.  Yes, FOX tilts conservative, but that being said, with few exceptions, they fact-check their stories pretty thoroughly and fess up when they are wrong about something.  Even Glen Beck, whom I REALLY don't like, challenges those who disagree on a regular basis to prove his facts wrong.

Dislike the slant?  cool.  But don't bash the audience with falsehoods.


Saying fox tilts conservative is like saying hitler wasn't favorably inclined towards jewish people.

(BTW, after nearly 2 years of "OBAMA IS HITLER!!!" from the right it just felt good to toss a H bomb at the right, you know? ;) )

As to fox viewers and talk show radio listeners having college educations, most ameircan do nowadays. Most people at least bet a BS from a local college or online U now.

As to them having full time jobs, maybe that's a bias of some major employers who might tend to hire people who are anti-union, anti-workers rights, anti-government enforcement of workers rights, etc?
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« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2010, 07:11:01 AM »

Here's the deal....if you don't like the political slant of a news channel, then change the damn channel.  Its as simple as that.  Liberals have CNN.  Conservatives have Fox.  Who cares?  News and views are subjective.  No one news channel is going to tell the news without some sort of bias.  It's impossible for us as humans to not let our own views and prejudices influence the things we say.

I watch CNN.  I watch Fox news as well on occasion.  Each one has their own benefit.  I stay away from Bill O'Reilly and such, but I'll watch both Keith Olbermann and Glenn Beck...the latter if only for his energy and rants.

To only watch one news source, the one that tilts more towards your own personal views, is wrong.  Keeping an open mind is the way to go.  If you're not able to do that, then you are going to go through life listening to the thoughts of one party. 
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« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2010, 07:23:32 AM »

So, again according to Judge Death, it is impossible to be both open-minded and conservative, apparently.  All conservatives must be nasty, bigoted, angry people.
That just seems a little . . . close-minded to me.


Now, 3mn, I did read over your very interesting link.  But what is this about FOX suing for the right to lie to their audience?  Not being sarcastic, but if you have proof I'd like to see it.

Now for you bleeding heart commi pinko libs out there  (see, JD, two can play at that game)  CNN's probably a bit too tilted to the right.  For something that will truly feed your prejudices, you should probably tune in MSNBC, the official mouthpiece of MoveOn.org!

Now, for a quote from another right wing radical:

"Any young man who is not a liberal has no heart.  Any old man who is not a conservative has no brain."   - Winston Churchill
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« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2010, 09:08:12 AM »

Churchill, the man who sunk the british empire.  whose point are you trying to make!

at any rate, FOX is wildly liberal when it comes to foreign policy and believe in government planning, nation building and everything they rail against on domestic issues. Gold went from 300 dollars an ounce to 1000 under Bush, an alleged conservative. Forget war, Remember the medicare act? all the alleged conservatism goes out the window when these guys get elected.  it's just rhetoric.  all politicians want power.


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« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2010, 11:08:39 AM »


Now some people who have a genetic disposition towards open mindedness eventually begin to notice that the real world isn't always so black and white, and that a lot of conservative views are wrong if you consider some inconvenient truths and pesky facts that those with a genetic disposition to close mindedness can more easily ignore than the open minded.


As someone who considers themselves neither conservative nor liberal, I have to point out the obvious: open-minded people sometimes realize A LOT OF CONSERVATIVE VIEWS ARE RIGHT, as well!
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