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« Reply #2025 on: January 26, 2016, 01:37:35 PM »

The New Day is fantastic and probably the most popular gimmick WWE has next to Ambrose.
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« Reply #2026 on: January 27, 2016, 06:00:51 PM »

I can't stand New Day... they are one of the reasons I stopped watching. They've turned into complete goofs.
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« Reply #2027 on: January 28, 2016, 06:28:05 PM »

True, they are goofs. But they make Vince money and are talented. I can see how some may not like them.
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« Reply #2028 on: January 29, 2016, 07:18:34 PM »

To me, they've actually regressed as wrestlers too. Kofi was better years back, Big E was better in NXT and when he first debuted and Woods was better in TNA.  I preferred the mean bodybuilder Big E myself. Now he's a joke. No one will ever take him seriously anymore.

Bret nails it. He actually said it even better on an online Wrestlezone radio show.

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« Reply #2029 on: January 29, 2016, 08:48:17 PM »

NXT is HHH's baby.  And that's vastly better than Raw.  Vince changes EVERYTHING last minute.  HHH wants a better product.  Cesaro is one of HHH's boys.  But Vince doesn't want to push him.  It's Vince.

I don't know how much you watch the product, Jase, but the fans DO take Big E seriously.  Have you gone to live shows? It's all in the live interactive experience.  The fact that New Days' TROMBONE is more over than half the roster doesn't speak badly of New Day, it speaks badly of Vince and his lack of creative ideas to get people over. 

I agree but disagree at the same time. 
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« Reply #2030 on: January 29, 2016, 10:56:12 PM »

I stopped watching WWE altogether.

I am an old school wrestling fan who watched for 30+ years but to me, WWE is no longer wrestling. It's weak, pussified PC B.S. There's little to no selling, a lot of the talent cannot even wrestle worth a damn, the storylines and feuds are either stupid or pointless, today's script-writers have no idea with regards to how wrestling booking should work, how interviews should feel real and spontaneous, that wrestling should still be presented in somewhat kayfabe sports terms to make things more believable and credible and realistic. Vince seems to have lost his touch for all this, he just seems to be reusing the same old tired formula - superhero vs. evil authority over and over endlessly. Aside from that, it's just dumb crap that Vince, who definitely strikes me as very eccentric, probably finds funny.

Pro wrestling used to be edgy, gritty, grimy, bloody, manly, athletic - now WWE feels more like a sideshow aimed at people I cannot relate to at all. The wrestlers (oh Vince can't even call them wrestlers - he calls them sports entertainers) today seem like such PUSSIES compared to the wrestlers I grew up watching. With a few exceptions in WWE (not many - probably Brock, Cesaro, maybe Owens), these guys wouldn't have made it back in that day. Randy Savage would have to be saying "Be a Man" a lot with all the wussies they have in the E right now. They're too soft and WWE wrestling for me is too soft. Lucha Underground is closer to what I'm looking for but even there it's not as good as in the past. Still way ahead of current E though. The wrestling and storytelling in TNA is better. The heels are more realistic but TNA is struggling likely because not many take wrestling seriously at all anymore. Not many even give TNA, which has been better than WWE for years and years now, a chance. Hell even small independent promotions like Paragon Pro Wrestling give you a more old-school wrestling approach.

The wrestling, especially in the E, isn't even like wrestling anymore, the art of selling is lost, the art of storytelling is lacking. Why should I care about Cena and Reigns if they're Supermen who can't be taken down? How can one sympathize with that? Doesn't help that they're both bad wrestlers, Cena being the far worse of the two. Hulk Hogan sold his butt off back in the day to make you think he was getting killed during matches or in attacks before feuds. That helped tremendously to root for him until it became too predictable but the man is actually underrated in-ring. Compared to today's wrestlers, he's miles and miles ahead in terms of selling and storytelling, psychology, and knowing how to work a crowd. I want to enjoy the art of pro wrestling itself, hold and counterhold, collar and elbow tie-up, heel vs. hardworking but not superhuman hero. Really I wish it was still like it was in the 80s with the AWA, the NWA, and the WWF of that era. The 90s were still great too because wrestling was still a huge part of it. It faltered with lower level talent getting top billing..names like Triple H, John Cena, and currently Reigns - none of them should have lasted any longer on top than Diesel (and honestly I'd rank Nash above all of 'em). It faltered with caving in to PC pressure. It faltered with getting away from traditional wrestling booking in favor of overly scripted and overly boring talking. To me, it`s WWE Raw is Snore starring Yawn Cena, Triple Zzzs, Boreman Reigns and a bunch of other nobodies (actually their best talent) they`re never ever going to use well or who will never go anywhere.

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« Reply #2031 on: February 01, 2016, 08:09:55 PM »

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« Reply #2032 on: February 02, 2016, 11:32:14 PM »

You need to follow Kevin Owens, Dean Amrose, Cesaro, Sami Zayn.
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« Reply #2033 on: February 03, 2016, 07:11:25 PM »

Why? To see them job to Reigns, Cena and/or Triple H? None of them will ever be the top guy. And all their best matches are pre-WWE.

Now they've got Nakamura, and AJ Styles too. I'd rather the both of them were still in New Japan to be honest.
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« Reply #2034 on: February 03, 2016, 10:23:49 PM »

Part of why I loved the WWF:

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What happened to great matches in the E? Matches that actually meant something...featuring talents that could work big matches (Bret, Austin, Michaels, Taker, Angle, Benoit, Guerrero, Lesnar, Bulldog, Hennig, Rude, Rock, Savage, Steamboat, Owen, Piper, Hogan,  etc.)...now we get boring guys on top who aren't capable of having a great match unless carried by a much superior talent. We should be getting meaningful big matches from guys like Styles, Cesaro, Owens, Samoa Joe, Nakamura, Aries, Balor but sadly the best matches all these guys had and likely ever will have will be outside the E (or NXT). Daniel Bryan's best match was as Bryan Danielson. Punk's best match was in ROH. Why do we know the outcomes of big matches nowadays before they happen (we weren't so sure of that back in the day)?

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