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« Reply #45 on: July 04, 2011, 06:18:06 AM »

I also hated the ewoks. I know they're meant to represent nature dominating technology, but man are they annoying. It's sad to hear they were wedged in for their cute factor and marketability, replacing an army of Wookies.

Who couldn't get behind a bunch of wookies tearing storm troopers' arms out of sockets?
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« Reply #46 on: July 04, 2011, 06:56:33 AM »

I'd never liked the ewoks either, also at the time Star Wars was making a butt load of money with thier toys. The Ewoks was purly a marketing choice to enter a line of toys that would be aimed towards girls (similar to the success of carebears).

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« Reply #47 on: July 04, 2011, 06:59:16 AM »

^ I...um...had one of those... Bluesad
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« Reply #48 on: July 04, 2011, 07:01:51 AM »

Have to go with the obvious, all the smooching between Luke and Leia before the end of Return of the Jedi.

"I've had all 6 of these stories planned out from the beginning!" No, you didn't.
Funny how we've neglected one of the most obvious plot consitencies in this thread until the third page.  Yep, thats just creepy...incest is best in a galaxy far far away apparently.
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« Reply #49 on: July 04, 2011, 11:17:37 PM »

The Jedi say that only the Sith deal in absolutes, yet the Jedi also deal in absolutes.

In Episode 4 the lightsaber given to Luke was "from his father" which is a lie.
Actually Obi Wan did snatch up Anakin's Lightsaber in ROTS.  So...and damn you Obi Wan you're right again...from a certain point of view its right.

But that still leaves the "You father wanted you to have this" lie intact.
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« Reply #50 on: July 04, 2011, 11:26:07 PM »

There's also Luke and his light saber in the snow cave, moving it with teh force after no training?
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« Reply #51 on: July 05, 2011, 09:17:18 AM »

Have to go with the obvious, all the smooching between Luke and Leia before the end of Return of the Jedi.

"I've had all 6 of these stories planned out from the beginning!" No, you didn't.

Personally I think SW super fans created that myth and George Lucas started to believe it.
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« Reply #52 on: July 06, 2011, 01:26:22 PM »

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Whoever cut this together missed a couple of my favourite riffs though:

Yoda: I hope right you are.
Mike: Or else predicate will I put before subject and gibberish shall I spout.
Kevin: True that is, Mike. An idiot sounds he like.
Bill: And yet by many sci-fi geeks beloved he is, though Muppet he is also, and tiring his use of anastrophe is.
Mike: Also true that is. Annoying it very is. Off it pi$$es me.

Palpatine: Henceforth, you shall be known as Darth....
Kevin (as Palpatine): Pumpkin. No, wait.
Palpatine:...Vader.
Kevin: Nah, don't like that either. What about Darth Timberlake?

(Anakin is fighting with Dooku)
Kevin: This reminds me of the time my brother and I got slapped around by George Burns.
Mike: Yeah, a couple of my buddies and I got pummelled by Burgess Meredith once. He was brutal.
Bill: That's nothing. My whole wrestling team once got the living crap beaten out of us by Eli Wallach!  He put a few of us in the hospital!

(Anakin defeats Dooku)
Kevin: Spare me, and a gently-used palantir is yours.

(Anakin is about to slice off Dooku's head)
Bill: You'll get Dooku all over your hands.

And while Mace Windu battles Palpatine, Mike shows Kevin and Bill how to make a delicious and simple spread using roasted red peppers. (I actually tried making it myself. Wasn't bad.)
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« Reply #53 on: July 06, 2011, 04:34:57 PM »

The Jedi say that only the Sith deal in absolutes, yet the Jedi also deal in absolutes.

In Episode 4 the lightsaber given to Luke was "from his father" which is a lie.
Actually Obi Wan did snatch up Anakin's Lightsaber in ROTS.  So...and damn you Obi Wan you're right again...from a certain point of view its right.

But that still leaves the "You father wanted you to have this" lie intact.

Not necessarily, Vader did want Luke to have the lightsaber, but Obi-wan never said how Vader wanted him to use it, which was ruling the galaxy rather than being a jedi. That, or "the good man that was his father" would have wanted him to have it.  The certain point of view strikes again!
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« Reply #54 on: July 06, 2011, 11:49:28 PM »

The Jedi say that only the Sith deal in absolutes, yet the Jedi also deal in absolutes.

In Episode 4 the lightsaber given to Luke was "from his father" which is a lie.
Actually Obi Wan did snatch up Anakin's Lightsaber in ROTS.  So...and damn you Obi Wan you're right again...from a certain point of view its right.

But that still leaves the "You father wanted you to have this" lie intact.

Not necessarily, Vader did want Luke to have the lightsaber, but Obi-wan never said how Vader wanted him to use it, which was ruling the galaxy rather than being a jedi. That, or "the good man that was his father" would have wanted him to have it.  The certain point of view strikes again!

I don't remember dad saying that, had to be in ROTS, I watched it once and never cared to again.
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« Reply #55 on: July 06, 2011, 11:53:26 PM »

Have to go with the obvious, all the smooching between Luke and Leia before the end of Return of the Jedi.

"I've had all 6 of these stories planned out from the beginning!" No, you didn't.

Personally I think SW super fans created that myth and George Lucas started to believe it.

Yea, back then it was also said that He had #s 7, 8, & 9 written as well. I wish the prequels and the SEs were never made, then I could just enjoy the original 3 without knowing that most of what I like about the series were things that didn't go the way Lucas had planned. He literally stumbled into success. 
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« Reply #56 on: July 07, 2011, 06:57:46 AM »

He literally stumbled into success. 

I dont believe that. He was consider a success for American Graffiti. If Star Wars failed, he'll be directing More American Graffiti or working on simular projects. Although, THX 1138 has been seen as a cult film in the 1980's (especially towards the punks) so it's likely George would be attempting to make another version of THX 1138 in the 1990's.

Also, George was good friends with Francis Ford Coppola since he had a stronger faith with THX so I wouldnt be surprise that he may ask George to help direct Apocalypse Now.

Although if Star Wars did fail I wonder how long would it take for a summer movie concept? (although another topic)
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« Reply #57 on: July 07, 2011, 07:36:59 AM »

He literally stumbled into success.

I dont believe that. He was consider a success for American Graffiti. If Star Wars failed, he'll be directing More American Graffiti or working on simular projects. Although, THX 1138 has been seen as a cult film in the 1980's (especially towards the punks) so it's likely George would be attempting to make another version of THX 1138 in the 1990's.

Also, George was good friends with Francis Ford Coppola since he had a stronger faith with THX so I wouldnt be surprise that he may ask George to help direct Apocalypse Now.

Although if Star Wars did fail I wonder how long would it take for a summer movie concept? (although another topic)

Agreed though I really feel ANH was lightning in a bottle for Georgie.  He didn't have the best script in the world, matter of fact the dialog was quite atrocious in parts.  The storyline had been done many times before, see Flash Gordon.  However, George gave us characters and great action sequences which made up the difference.  You wanted the action figures so you could "be" Obi Wan and Vader dueling.  Sadly this proved to be a huge downfall for the franchise come ROTJ.  It was more about marketing than what made the films great.  Though I will say ROTJ did have good action sequences.  However, the Ewoks are what stick out about that film and get hammered into our heads.

Then by the prequels, George seemed to honestly think he was a great script writer.  Nope........I don't buy the whole "planned out" thing either btw. Maybe there was an idea or two but not a plan.  It shows on screen.
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« Reply #58 on: July 07, 2011, 08:28:26 AM »

Have to go with the obvious, all the smooching between Luke and Leia before the end of Return of the Jedi.

"I've had all 6 of these stories planned out from the beginning!" No, you didn't.

Personally I think SW super fans created that myth and George Lucas started to believe it.

Yea, back then it was also said that He had #s 7, 8, & 9 written as well. I wish the prequels and the SEs were never made, then I could just enjoy the original 3 without knowing that most of what I like about the series were things that didn't go the way Lucas had planned. He literally stumbled into success. 

You know, I remember all that talk about there being a 7-9. I've always believed that fans are who really created the prequels. I'm not saying that GL didn't have basic ideas in mind about preceding events, but I'm much more convinced that they were VERY basic, like not much more developed than what was already revealed in the original trilogy. I mean, you have a movie that starts out with the words Episode III, and concepts built up about preceding events, and a series of films that became legendary, so naturally the superfans are going to create the mythos themselves and GL, once CGI became available and he didn't have to go to Africa or Norway for location shooting anymore in order to make a movie, now you have the prequels.

Oh well, we could go on and on about it. Some say it's hard to erase the damage done by the prequels, but I'm finding that I can manage to watch the originals and still appreciate them.
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« Reply #59 on: July 07, 2011, 08:47:22 AM »

He literally stumbled into success.

I dont believe that. He was consider a success for American Graffiti. If Star Wars failed, he'll be directing More American Graffiti or working on simular projects. Although, THX 1138 has been seen as a cult film in the 1980's (especially towards the punks) so it's likely George would be attempting to make another version of THX 1138 in the 1990's.

Also, George was good friends with Francis Ford Coppola since he had a stronger faith with THX so I wouldnt be surprise that he may ask George to help direct Apocalypse Now.

Although if Star Wars did fail I wonder how long would it take for a summer movie concept? (although another topic)

Agreed though I really feel ANH was lightning in a bottle for Georgie.  He didn't have the best script in the world, matter of fact the dialog was quite atrocious in parts.  The storyline had been done many times before, see Flash Gordon.  However, George gave us characters and great action sequences which made up the difference.  You wanted the action figures so you could "be" Obi Wan and Vader dueling.  Sadly this proved to be a huge downfall for the franchise come ROTJ.  It was more about marketing than what made the films great.  Though I will say ROTJ did have good action sequences.  However, the Ewoks are what stick out about that film and get hammered into our heads.

Then by the prequels, George seemed to honestly think he was a great script writer.  Nope........I don't buy the whole "planned out" thing either btw. Maybe there was an idea or two but not a plan.  It shows on screen.

Star Wars brought new special effects techniques to the screen, and higher production values than had previously been seen in space movies, on a scale not previously seen. It had eye candy and attention to detail that surpassed 2001: A Space Odyssey, with lots of action and adventure, and a rousing score by John Williams. I think we forget that this was less than a decade after movies like Green Slime and Mars Needs Women. The technology behind moviemaking began growing by leaps and bounds in the 70s, and the industry was just beginning to see science fiction as more than kids' stuff, and worth putting some effort into. Movies in general were typically smaller and cheaper before the 70s. After Spielberg's Jaws ushered in the blockbuster era just two years before the release of Star Wars, kicking off an annual competition to make the big summer "event" movie that continues today. It could also be argued that after Vietnam, Watergate, etc., and the often darker movies the early 70s, people were looking for a movie like Star Wars.

Much of Star Wars' success is a result of it being made in the mid to late 1970s, when conditions were just right, in terms of technology, the industry and the filmgoing public. Earlier, and it might not have looked as good, or gotten the backing it needed. Later, and we might already have been dazzled by some other movie, and not found it as novel or impressive. It was the right movie at the right time.
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