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« on: March 12, 2012, 07:20:40 PM »

This story has been all over the news, and since I know this site, overall, tends to run a good bit left of me and a bit left of center, I thought I would ask your opinions.

As we all heard about ad nauseum last week, Rush Limbaugh was on the radio mocking the "testimony" of a witness the Democrats called before a mock Congressional hearing, who testified that birth control cost her $3000 a year and that, without government aid, she and others like her were unable to afford contraception that they truly needed.  Wondering aloud why she spent $3000 on birth control, Rush referred to her as a "slut," and suggested if she needed that much money to pay for contraception, she should sell sex tapes rather than putting it on the back of the American taxpayer.

Widespread condemnation followed, and several sponsors pulled their ads from Limbaugh's show, and the President publicly condemned the "vile and abusive" language directed at someone for taking a political position others disagreed with.  So Limbaugh apologized, but the brouhaha has still not fully died down.

Meanwhile, Bill Maher has repeatedly referred to Sarah Palin and numerous other conservative women in consistently vicious, ugly and misogynist terms - most notably referring to Mrs. Palin as a "dumb c**t."  And he has donated $1 million to Obama's PAC, sparking counter outrage among some conservatives, and calls that the money be returned.

Now, I don't care if Obama returns the money or not.  We all know the entertainment industry is going to be a consistent cash cow for the Democrats year in and year out.  But what grates on me is that various Democrat mouthpieces label Maher as "a comedian" while calling Rush "the de facto head of the Republican Party."  I have watched Bill Maher's show - in short bursts, because that's all I can stomach - and he is RELENTLESSLY political.  Yes, he cracks jokes, but so does Rush.  They are both entertainers whose focus is on politics.  To give one a free pass while calling on the other to be yanked from the airwaves is frankly hypocritical to me.  And to accuse conservatives of "waging war on women" because they oppose using tax dollars to pay for someone else's recreational sex is, I think, a gross exaggeration.

But enough of my opinions.  What do you good folks think?
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« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2012, 08:06:49 PM »

It's a double standard. I recommend taking Glenn Reynolds' general advice on this subject
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« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2012, 08:24:02 PM »

simple- they both need this:

in a size like this:


people like Maher and Limbaugh are just bats**t out of their minds (if they have any) and people who watch them are being stupid when they skew the news in their own personal way.
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« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2012, 09:25:26 PM »

Or else they just enjoy the entertainment.

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« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2012, 09:45:27 PM »

This story has been all over the news, and since I know this site, overall, tends to run a good bit left of me and a bit left of center, I thought I would ask your opinions.
This site runs right, my dear.   Thumbup Smile  I have the scars on my back for being called the "leftist" (check out who's on the 5 most smited list with you.)  And that's only 'cause I point out stupid, I don't argue politics (much).   Smile  


I don't know what's true of what you say.  I don't watch much TV, and though I know who BILL MAHER is, I don't watch any show he may have had and/or appearances.  That does not mean I am unaware of his presence.   Okay, a bleeped out "dumb c**t" is really about shock, not the word.  It's certainly in your face.  However, that is not the same as a live radio broadcast exchange where name calling of the LIMBAUGH ilk occurs, followed by a sidestepping apology including digs.  Limbaugh is a TURD.  
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« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2012, 11:02:19 PM »

Well, there is something of a difference between calling a VP candidate names VS a woman simply talking before congress.  One's a political gigantically public figure, and one is not.  Also, Maher's tone is always less serious than Limbaugh's, and he's never had a several minute long monologue attacking Palin or anyone else on a personal level either (to the best of my knowledge, correct me if I'm wrong).  There is a difference. 

By the way, I do believe if Maher went on a long monologue personally attacking a private citizen, he'd probably get jumped on, though I'd say not to the same extent as Limbaugh.  So, I think there is something of a double standard, but I don't think the things they've said and done are (in this case) on the same level.

On a related note, there's reason to believe contraception paid by the government saves large amounts of health care costs in the long run (unintended pregnancies/children are expensive on the healthcare system).  So, it seems like a smart investment more than anything.  It's obvious a simple economic argument will never work though - people against government provided contraception are generally arguing in moral terms, with economics a distant second.
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« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2012, 11:13:06 PM »

The difference between what Rush said and what Bill Maher said is ther mediums each used. Maher's show is on a pay channel and as such some racy language is to be expected as opposed to a live radio program.
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« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2012, 07:25:07 AM »

When a person like Rush complains at a person, then it's disgusting. when a person like Maher complains at a politic, then it's stupid. Now when a person makes fun of a politician, then that's where the comedy is.
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« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2012, 07:51:11 AM »

I grew up and  live  in NYC, where  anyone who even listens to Limbaugh and watched FOX  News  is  considered  to be walking in lockstep  with Adolph.  There is  only  one standard in the media, with the exception of FOX and  five  guys  on radio like Limbaugh, and that  is left and further  left.  Of course, Maher has said  far  worse about  'private' citizens, but, he gets  a  pass. This  is nothing new and will never  change as long as so-called  'conservatives' are not  involved  in the arts, academia and media to the extent  that  so-called  'liberals'  have control for decades. Limbaugh shouldn't have  apologised, the first mistake anyone at a  disadvantaged  position can do is apologise. It will never  be accepted  by ones  adversaries and will  even open one up  to be taken out. When Reagan left he talked  about the ongoing culture  war, which, for the most  part has 'Repubs/Conservatives' talking about social  issues  like abortion and sexual behavior. Yes, this  is important, but,  far more  damaging is the culture  of  dependency, ie:where a  woman goes  to Congress  asking me and you to provide condoms and birth control and when one objects it's  presented  as an attack on women?  I think Limbaugh was just  used cause of  his  admittedly  dumb use of the  word  sl#t, he should have kept to the issue.
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« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2012, 10:02:49 AM »

As has been pointed out, tax-funded birth control is cheaper than having potentially millions of women having unwanted pregnancies (for a variety of reasons). This would naturally include many single women, some of whom would, when given the choice between having a job and having the time to raise her children, quit work and have to live on welfare.

As for Limbaugh's comments, I think it's partly because what he said was a classic example of slut-shaming (a still all-too-common attempt to silence a woman/women by labelling them a slut and, by extension, discrediting them as someone worth listening to. And yes, it is an attack against a woman because "slut" carries far more weight as an attack if you have two X chromosomes rather than an X and a Y due to cultural history) and it demonstrated that he doesn't know how birth control works. It's not like Viagra. You don't just pop a pill before every sexual encounter; you take one pill every day at about the same time for 21 or 28 days no matter how much or how little sex you have.

As for Maher, I don't know much about him. Maybe he's just not as loud up here? At any rate, slut-shaming and sexism in general shouldn't have a place in politics. Or anywhere else, for that matter. A male politician is rarely attacked his sex/gender, and if he's running for any position it's extremely rare that his qualifications will be called into question on those grounds. I'd love to one day see the same courtesy extended to anyone else who might decide to run.
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« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2012, 01:05:33 PM »

I tend to think most of them are just out to be outrageous and sell air time.  That counts for left right and center.  None of them are thoughtful people I would have in my home. 

In my book, the media is owned by business, and the right wing is more business friendly... or at  least is more OBVIOUSLY business friendly.  Their bought politicians are publically talking about being bought. 

Also, I do see on all the news stations that for years it was "President Bush" and now its "Obama", I don't care about the man, but respect the office. 

Ok, backing out of the politics.
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« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2012, 01:35:21 PM »

I don't care for Rush Limbaugh or Bill Maher....both seem bent on shocking and hurting others for attention. I do feel that tax payer funded birth control kind of encourages women to be more available for sex outside of marriage. Some people just don't practice the best kind of birth control...abstinence. Now,some folks have told me that "It's gonna happen anyway so might as well be prepared".....I can see that argument. But I just don't believe it's anyone's "right" to birth control and that way of putting it really bothers me.
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« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2012, 01:37:15 PM »

     As a Christian, I've really no problem with what Rush said; those thighs are supposed to remain shut until marriage, SCREW the current moral standards of this country.

     As a taxpayer, I'd rather not pay for some loose female's recreational consequences.
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« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2012, 05:33:47 PM »

    As a Christian, I've really no problem with what Rush said; those thighs are supposed to remain shut until marriage, SCREW the current moral standards of this country.

     As a taxpayer, I'd rather not pay for some loose female's recreational consequences.

It takes two to tango. If you really want the entire US to go the abstinence route, maybe start putting as much blame on the guys for unwanted pregnancies. After all, he could have kept it in his pants. Mind you, that doesn't help at all with cases of sexual assault (sure, she might be wearing revealing clothing, she might have been flirting, but he could have just...not assaulted her. It can't possibly be that hard since most guys manage to get through their entire lives without doing it).
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« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2012, 04:07:00 AM »

Rush Limbaugh is supposed to be inflammatory, that is the role and niche he has carved out for himself.

Personally, I find the way he attacked this one woman for arguing for birth control despicable. I do not care about the politics surrounding the issue, but Limbaugh's response was nothing but misogynistic. How dare a woman have the temerity to request support for birth control? As we all know, the only women who need birth control are "sluts," and if they're sluts they should have the decency to let us all see their sexual activity online! (Rush's words.)

The idea of a double-standard is ridiculous. Anybody who promotes these views should be held with contempt. It doesn't matter if the person is "conservative" or "liberal." This is the real world, it's not a one-for-one competition of who's the worst.

The irony of the whole affair is that the wholesale abandonment of advertiser support for Rush Limbaugh's show is good old fashioned capitalism. Support for Rush is now too financially damaging to continue. In fact, many advertisers are withdrawing from any show that provides inflammatory rhetoric.

I don't like Rush Limbaugh, but I will agree that he has been a political institution for years. But the public is fickle, how are Don Imus and Glenn Beck doing these days? Maybe one of these days we'll have actual political discussion instead of hateful rhetoric.

I don't have a lot of hope, but one day this nation might rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed.
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