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« Reply #30 on: May 25, 2012, 12:47:31 PM »

I just don't think that this is necessary. Every aspect about my life isn't about being heterosexual....that's just how I am and it is a part of me. I don't organize heterosexual pride parades or try to demonstrate how straight I am. I think this is a personal thing between you,God and your partner/lover/spouse. Personally,I think homosexuality is wrong

They have those parades to defy small-minded people like you. If it's so wrong, then let your god judge them and keep your ignorant, blinkered views to yourself.
Actually,I believe that I am allowed to have my opinions....I wouldn't say such a thing to you. I don't wish harm to anyone and I believe that whether you are gay or not is between you and God. I can like someone as a person while still disagreeing with their lifestyle. I have never had a gay friend hate me because I am straight and I would not hate them because they are gay. I don't think I am small-minded....just different-minded as they are they. And gay folks don't scare me.....sometimes they worry me but that is usually on an individual basis. I'm kind of not really interested in anyone's sexual dealings....we don't have enough privacy anymore.
Y'know what?  Circus isn't gay - not by a long shot - but he does wear his hair long and has been known to indulge in makeup.  I realize you did not imply such, but I think it's worth setting the record straight; he knows what it's like to be singled out, perceived one way or another, and disparaged for same.  The man has guts. 
I realize that....and I think it's just fine that he has the guts to look anyway he wants. I have been singled out as well....a good number of people have treated me badly because I am a short,dumpy woman who doesn't have model looks or seems well-off.. I have customers not even talk to me but will speak if someone they approve of shows up. I certainly will apologize if I have offended anyone because I never meant to but my religious views are my personal ones and not spoken to hurt.
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« Reply #31 on: May 25, 2012, 01:46:55 PM »

I don't doubt that some people feel that way.
However, for the committed Christian, we simply either have a choice of rejecting the Book we have built our entire faith around, or reject homosexuality as a moral behavior.  I don't hate homosexuals or fear them, but at the same time, I don't believe that their behavior is something God approves of.  But I still believe He loves them.

Ah, typical contradictory Christianity. Can't "reject the book we have built our entire faith on", yet cherry pick from that book to suit your particular lifestyles.

     Not so; there are behaviors (symptoms of sin) that I have, that God does not love, and I'm aware of them, and would rather not have them in my life. However, I am also aware that God loves me, and died and rose again to pay for the sin of ALL.

     Those who "cherry pick from that book" are NOT Christians....to quote our Lord, they are hypocrites. Personally, I probably find them just as distasteful as you do.

      In the interest of transparency, I am, or have been

A liar
a fornicator
a thief
an addict
a homosexual
a practicioner of the occult
a bully
and other things. I hate this sin in my life, and some of it God has helped me with. Some, like my temper and my roving eye (and my smart mouth) I still struggle with. Still, He died for those, as well.
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« Reply #32 on: May 25, 2012, 01:54:49 PM »

I've never tried to hide my religious views from anyone on this forum - just the opposite in fact.
Circus, you and I have enough history that I think it fair to say we know each other (somewhat).
Many Christians make way too big a deal about homosexuality - maybe not as much as the Westboro cult,
but they tend to give it more attention than it deserves.  I know my way around the book pretty well, and
I can say that homosexual behavior, whenever it is mentioned in the Scripture, is condemned.  In both Testaments.
That being said, the Bible is far more harsh in its condemnation of many other behaviors.

I think the "cherrypicking" comment a bit broad.  There are some examples of "rightly dividing the word of truth."
For example, the sacrificial and ceremonial laws in Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy were given to
the ancient, theocratic nation of Israel, and are not meant to be binding upon Christ's church today.  That is what
Paul referred to in Romans when he talked about not being "under law, but under grace."  But the  moral and ethical teachings of Christ are as binding upon His followers today as they were when He uttered them.  Any church that rejects that truth does so at its peril.

In the spirit of tolerance, I think it is perhaps best to recognize that there are some very divergent opinions here.  I don't think Tracy deserved the harshness of tone you directed at her for expressing an opinion in what is, after all, a discussion forum where differences of opinion always have and always will exist.  Peace, brother!
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« Reply #33 on: May 25, 2012, 03:53:55 PM »

Maybe it's Swamp Thing.

He can call himself "Swamp Thang".  BounceGiggle
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« Reply #34 on: May 25, 2012, 04:50:43 PM »

Maybe it's Swamp Thing.

He can call himself "Swamp Thang".  BounceGiggle


I think the Marvel version would still be better suited for that role. Check out the name of his comic:

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« Reply #35 on: May 25, 2012, 05:28:19 PM »

I think the Marvel version would still be better suited for that role. Check out the name of his comic:




Don't google that!!!   Buggedout
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« Reply #36 on: May 25, 2012, 06:08:42 PM »

I stand by what I said. I fully understand your beliefs and I agree with the positives Andy C  pointed out regarding the teachings of the bible, but I will never back down over discrimination when it comes to gender, sexual preference, skin colour, handicaps etc due to religious leanings. I try to and wish everyone else would just let others lead their own lives. I make my own judgements, I don't need a book to help me do that.

There was no need to make daft or stereotypical homophobic comments over the plot of a comic book for crying out loud! That is why it irked me so. If you have faith in something, that's great, but don't let it get you bent out of shape over the real life day-to-day goings on of modern society.
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« Reply #37 on: May 25, 2012, 06:13:56 PM »

Fact ofthe matter is: I used to be religious.
Untill I realized most religious people have all this hateful baggage. And don't give me your cover story-"I have to obey the Bible".
Thats like saying-I beleive that Islam said your wrong-or I that Charlie Manson said your wrong.
BREAK AWAY. THINK FOR YOURSELF.
f**k what what your 'religion" says.
Its an escuse for your predjudice.
FREE YOUR SELF.

 
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« Reply #38 on: May 25, 2012, 06:25:52 PM »

If you have faith in something, that's great, but don't let it get you bent out of shape over the real life day-to-day goings on of modern society.

In all fairness, Circus, it may not be possible for some people to make that separation.  Their belief is supposed to guide them through "the real life day-to-day goings on of modern society" and, in addition, turning a blind eye may not be an option for them.
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« Reply #39 on: May 25, 2012, 06:55:00 PM »

If you have faith in something, that's great, but don't let it get you bent out of shape over the real life day-to-day goings on of modern society.

In all fairness, Circus, it may not be possible for some people to make that separation.  Their belief is supposed to guide them through "the real life day-to-day goings on of modern society" and, in addition, turning a blind eye may not be an option for them.
I love ya Newt-but I agree with Circus.
If your religion is based on love-and you do a 2-face and say-"I hate them but i love them.-what the f**k is that all about?
Its not that they are PHYSICALLY hurting anybody-but that attitude is what started the National Socialist Party.
Prejudice is evil. And I acn understand if they were a military threat.
But-DAM.
I don't think a parade of drag queens is going to upsurp your country.
Theyre here-theye queer-they aint going away.
Get used to it. Quit being a p***y. Dont be so insecure.
And NO-thats not pulling the "Nazi" card...thats just true.

See what happens? I started my debate on this sober-now Im drunk-and I still think I make sense. Nah-I aint a bleeding heart. Im an anarchishst.
The LAST thing folks should be worried about is the queers.
Look at the big picture.
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« Reply #40 on: May 25, 2012, 08:01:42 PM »

Maybe it's Swamp Thing.

He can call himself "Swamp Thang".  BounceGiggle
BounceGiggle Now yer outta control!!! 
Can I join in?
I heard BRAINIAC has a thing for SUPERMAN...
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« Reply #41 on: May 25, 2012, 08:09:06 PM »

... In the interest of transparency, I am, or have been...a homosexual...
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« Reply #42 on: May 25, 2012, 10:28:52 PM »

I get where you're coming from, Ronnie - really.
But the thing is, I don't love someone, and then hate them.  Those who do that are missing the whole point of Christianity.  GOD LOVES HOMOSEXUALS, just as he loves all others who sin.  Loved them enough that He was willing to let Himself be sacrificed in the most brutal fashion imaginable to save them from the moral sewer they had fallen into.

But He doesn't love the sewer.

Circus, friend, if you have faith but don't let it affect the way you live or react to the real world, then you don't really have any faith at all.  A faith that doesn't change you to some extent is meaningless.
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« Reply #43 on: May 25, 2012, 11:01:17 PM »

Y'know it surprises me this could stir up people so. Homosexuality is a part of our world and has a long history. It's not going to disappear and really it doesn't matter than much to me what people decide to do in their own private lives (although obviously people should use wisdom and be safe when engaging with different partners). We've had gay marriage here now for several years and it doesn't seem like any big deal at all to most people I know. So DC just wants to have a major character reflect a portion of the population. I see nothing wrong with that as long as it involves two legal consenting adults.
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« Reply #44 on: May 26, 2012, 12:32:25 AM »

First of all, I never intended to stir up this kind of debate, but since it has, I feel the need to weigh in on this issue. I had to think long and hard about my response, and, well, this is it. I'm sure I'll have any number of disagreements, but this is how I feel. I should also mention that, as a Unitarian Universalist Pagan, I have sincere respect for Christianity, as I do all spiritual paths, though there are aspects of it I take issue with.  So here it goes:

Cultures (which can mean anything from groups of countries, such as Europe, all the way down to a few friends) define themselves not only by what they are, but what they are not. In order to support itself, a culture must create a set of social norms by which its members live by, an individual’s membership dependent upon adherence to said norms. Both Christianity and heterosexuality are cultures in and of themselves, both with expectations and taboos that its respective members are expected to follow; those who deviate from these norms are seen as abject and contaminating.  The word deviate simply means to separate, to go in a different direction. The negative connotations of the word and its various forms (deviance, deviant, etc) reflect society’s unease with those who refuse to abide by norms, regardless of whether said norms – of gender, appearance, behavior, religion, what have you – have any real practical or moral value. The problem with these sorts of taboos is that breaking them seemingly threatens the identity of the society, because to allow them to be broken undermines the definition of what the society is or is not.  In response, the culture will create sanctions to protect itself from perceived danger; this happens on both a macro-cosmic (legislation banning gay marriage) and micro-cosmic (someone spray-painting the word “faggot” on the windshield of a person’s car) level.

Let’s take, for example, a group of seven year old boys. They are neighbors, go to the same public school, and regularly hang out together. They decide to form a club, in which they regularly meet, play games, and do the sort of things that seven year old boys do. They decide to make a list of club rules in order to maintain a sense of group cohesion and conformity. Naturally, this includes the typical “NO GIRLS ALLOWED!”

One day, a new neighbor moves in, a seven year old girl. She makes friends with one of the boys, and wants to join the club. Should she be allowed to join?  Changes would have to be made. First off, the rules, which the boys swore they would never change under penalty of wedgies. What if she wanted to do sissy stuff? What if they ended up talking like her, acting like her, playing like her?  What would people outside the club think? If she joined, in what sense would it be a Boy’s club?

There’s no proof that anything would have changed all that much (she may well have been a tomboy), but the perceived threat of being contaminated by an outside force – of having to compromise their own self image – is enough for them to declare her an undesirable, abject and disgusting (“girls…eeew!”).  It’s not enough that she is refused acceptance in their community; the individual members must each continue to reject her, making her the butt of jokes, picking on her, inoculating themselves with cooties shots as an amulet against her evil, in order to prove to each other their own sense of belonging.  It is this need to justify one’s place in a group that lies at the root of bigotry.

The disgust of gay behaviors is a learned trait; it is seen as filthy and unnatural not only because it flies in the face of the social norms you were raised on but also because admitting otherwise would make you yourself an acceptable target for bigotry (“I ain’t a goddamn queer!”). Thing is, the reason that heterosexuals cannot relate to homosexuals is because homosexuality is not a choice, any more than heterosexuality is. This is why it’s so easy to hate gays: their attraction to those of the same sex makes no sense precisely because it does not and cannot evoke the same sort of arousal, and since you can’t relate to that, and it doesn’t affect you personally, you have nothing to lose by oppressing them.  However, a person cannot change what their body finds itself physically aroused by, it doesn’t work that way, and no amount of “praying the gay away” is ever going to fix that, nor should it have to be “fixed” at all. It is simply the way things are, and if you can’t accept that, then that’s your own failing, and no one else’s.

Short of spending the rest of their lives celibate and alone (in other words, trying to appease God by atoning for the way he supposedly made them), there is no way for gays to be accepted by Christianity as a whole, unless Christians finally wake up and realize the errors in their beliefs.

If he or she is in the room, or a picture is nearby, right now take a look at your significant other. Imagine being told that your relationship with this person, even if you are allowed to continue it, is an abomination, according to the scripture of a religion that you don’t even practice. As a penalty, you are not allowed to talk or show that you love and care about this person because someone somewhere might be offended by it. You lose friends and family because they cannot abide by this disgusting relationship you choose to have, despite it having no real lasting effect on their lives whatsoever. What would you do?
 
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