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« Reply #30 on: July 27, 2012, 05:04:44 AM »

I am going to say outright that I disagree with everybody who has stated their dislike of the Christopher Nolan Batman movies.

I think they are absolutely phenomenal, and they have restored my belief in the idea that big budget and artistically important films are not mutually exclusive.

I admit, I was lukewarm towards Batman Begins, but then I saw The Dark Knight. That movie was one of the greatest syntheses of popular cinema and artistic expressions I have ever seen. You might disagree with me, but I don't really care.

I also think it was the truest adaptation of Batman to cinema that has yet been made. I've read the actual comics for years, so don't try to attack me from that angle. You're wrong.

The Dark Knight Rises was crazy, but it struck me as the most true Nolan Batman movie to date. The first two movies were pretty much Batman beating up people on his own. Batman has always existed in a larger universe. It's hard to fit that all in the semi-realistic universe Nolan created, but this is probably as good as it can get.

Not to spoil anything, but the fan-service Nolan accomplishes in The Dark Knight Rises is incredible.

I loved it. The whole trilogy is incredible. Disagree if you want, you're wrong.
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« Reply #31 on: July 27, 2012, 08:53:59 AM »

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I also think it was the truest adaptation of Batman to cinema that has yet been made. I've read the actual comics for years, so don't try to attack me from that angle. You're wrong.
The whole movie he was wanting to stop being Batman and the Joker went from chemically deformed clown prince of crime with a flair for the theatric to a guy with bad grease paint that blew tings up and threatened people with knives. 

So, I'm still going to say that you're wrong. 

*spoilers coming*

If the first movie, he spent the whole time going around saying "I don't know how to be Batman!  Fucious, Alfred, Ra's al Ghul, somebody tell me what to do!"

The second movie he went around going, "I still don't know what I'm doing and I don't WANT to be Batman anymore... and nobody ever told me that I'd have to fight crazy people!"

In the third movie "I haven't been Batman in eight years! ... and now I'm dead."

If you think that's the best adaption of Batman they've ever done, more power to you.  Personally, I kinda liked the older movies where Batman actually knew what he was doing without having to constantly get lectures and enjoyed doing it.
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« Reply #32 on: July 27, 2012, 09:03:26 AM »

Its funny, because of the different variances Batman has had over the years, comics, tv and movies, people come at this from different angles.

The Nolan Batman is the closest to the comic, well current 'modern' version, of Batman that there has been.  Most of the comics I've read lately he's a tortured sort, it's dark and vengeful etc.  Kind of like how Casino Royale was the closest 'TRUE' James Bond when compared to the books, whereas the 'traditional' movies were all campy rubbish by comparison [don't get me wrong, I like them, but the books are very different in tone]

I'd be interested to see which 'Batman' people hold closest to their hearts when they either line up to love or hate Nolan's version.
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« Reply #33 on: July 27, 2012, 01:04:05 PM »

If the first movie, he spent the whole time going around saying "I don't know how to be Batman!  Fucious, Alfred, Ra's al Ghul, somebody tell me what to do!"


Which would be consistent with a comic book origin story, i.e. Batman Begins.

The second movie he went around going, "I still don't know what I'm doing and I don't WANT to be Batman anymore... and nobody ever told me that I'd have to fight crazy people!"


Which was a direct rip-off of Batman: Year One, with the Joker being lifted straight from The Killing Joke.

In the third movie "I haven't been Batman in eight years! ... and now I'm dead."


I have no direct corollary there, so point.

Personally, I agree with Dean, in that there have been so many interpretations of Batman over the years that you're more than welcome to pick your favorite. The Nolan movies are the best adaptation of the current Batman, from Neal Adams on.

If you truly enjoy any of the previous five versions of filmed Batman (or those horrible serials), than I'm not going to argue with you. That's your prerogative. But the previous movies were basically updates of the campy Batman television show, not the comic.

That being said, the very best adaptation of the comic to date is Batman: The Animated Series, with Batman: Dead End being the best live-action film.

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« Reply #34 on: July 27, 2012, 01:47:37 PM »

I am going to say outright that I disagree with everybody who has stated their dislike of the Christopher Nolan Batman movies.

I think they are absolutely phenomenal, and they have restored my belief in the idea that big budget and artistically important films are not mutually exclusive.

I admit, I was lukewarm towards Batman Begins, but then I saw The Dark Knight. That movie was one of the greatest syntheses of popular cinema and artistic expressions I have ever seen. You might disagree with me, but I don't really care.

I also think it was the truest adaptation of Batman to cinema that has yet been made. I've read the actual comics for years, so don't try to attack me from that angle. You're wrong.

The Dark Knight Rises was crazy, but it struck me as the most true Nolan Batman movie to date. The first two movies were pretty much Batman beating up people on his own. Batman has always existed in a larger universe. It's hard to fit that all in the semi-realistic universe Nolan created, but this is probably as good as it can get.

Not to spoil anything, but the fan-service Nolan accomplishes in The Dark Knight Rises is incredible.

I loved it. The whole trilogy is incredible. Disagree if you want, you're wrong.

Well,I do disagree with you but that's the way it goes and everyone can have an opinion here. No getting bent outta shape or heated discussions.  Smile
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« Reply #35 on: July 31, 2012, 01:59:50 AM »

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The whole movie he was wanting to stop being Batman and the Joker went from chemically deformed clown prince of crime with a flair for the theatric to a guy with bad grease paint that blew tings up and threatened people with knives.

So, I'm still going to say that you're wrong. 

The Joker is written so differently in different stories it'd be hard to say any take is more or less close to the comics.  To a certain degree, you can say the same thing about Batman.  I'll say the Batman comics I've read, he is closer in the Nolan films than the other ones though.

I do think the oft-quoted line from Alfred in the Dark Knight summarizes the Joker as he is generally written in the post-Crisis comics better than anything else I've heard.

"Some men just want to watch the world burn."
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« Reply #36 on: July 31, 2012, 09:51:44 AM »

I finally got to see it this weekend and LOVED it!  I haven't read comics since I was a kid (I'm a phenomenally fast reader and I have a hard time investing money in something that I will finish in 10 minutes), but of all the Batman films this is definitely one of my all-time favorites.  Dark and brooding and very powerful.

Plus it had Anne Hathaway! TeddyR
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« Reply #37 on: July 31, 2012, 11:25:40 AM »

I saw it on the weekend as well, and I must say I was thoroughly entertained throughout. Liked it much better than the previous two movies in the trilogy.
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« Reply #38 on: August 07, 2012, 03:47:30 PM »

This was my least favorite of the trilogy.  I thought it was decent, but that's about it.  And they really could have trimmed at least 20 minutes out of it without losing anything important.
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« Reply #39 on: August 08, 2012, 10:30:44 AM »

I liked it a lot. Didn't rise to the level of the previous Dark Knight film, but I really didn't expect it to. Nolan seems to be the only director capable of making superhero movies for adults, with complex plots and character development. His Dark Knight will be missed.

Oh, and Ann Hathaway---yeah!
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