Who should be the next president?

[Allhallowsday]

SKULL - Trump said, and said repeatedly, and refused to back down, that "thousands of Muslims" were celebrating on 9/11 "on the rooftops in New Jersey."  THAT WAS A LIE.  IT DID NOT HAPPEN.
Yes, Muslims celebrated in the streets in foreign countries, most notably on the  Gaza Strip and the West Bank.
But that's not New Jersey.  Trump lied, and rather than admit he was mistaken on the location, he repeated the lie again and again.
This man is incapable of committing error - a classic symptom of narcissistic personality disorder.
The bottom line is this:  I do not like Donald Trump because he is an a$$hole.
And I do not trust him because he is a liar, on this and many other issues.
And his speeches show a consistent failure to understand a wide range of topics.
All those who voted for Trump in the primaries will share the responsibility of making Hillary Clinton president this November.
A damn shame, really, we had multiple candidates who could have beaten her easily.
But voters were too angry to vote for someone respectable.  They wanted someone who would be just as mean and nasty as they were feeling, and that's who they nominated.
But mean, nasty people don't win.
Trump is going to get stomped in November, and the GOP may never recover from the shame of nominating such a vile man.

Well, maybe he will win.  It's a frightening prospect to me, which drives me in a direction I didn't expect.  I voted for BERNIE SANDERS in the primary.   

[Skull]

SKULL - Trump said, and said repeatedly, and refused to back down, that "thousands of Muslims" were celebrating on 9/11 "on the rooftops in New Jersey."  THAT WAS A LIE.  IT DID NOT HAPPEN.

I hardly see this as a lie because we know for a fact that the Orlando shooter did cheer on 9/11.

Was there really a thousand Muslims cheering on rooftops in New Jersey? This is such a silly argument, it's like b***hing at Farrakhan that he was short on his million man march. It was estimated 400,000 men showed up that's not even enough men to say a half a million man march; but the event will forever called the million man march.

The fact is that there was Muslims in America that did cheer on 9/11. Once again the biggest proof that such Muslim existed is the Orlando shooter.

Now how does "Thousands of Muslims on rooftops cheer on 9/11" compare to "I have no top secret files in my secret server" - and note that a CIA spy was murdered because of the information that was discovered on Hillary's secret server.


I don't see much of a comparison here. We know the Orlando shooter cheered so there was Muslims cheering - notice I'm repeating myself - it seems necessary because I said this almost a thousand times (oh s**t now I'm telling a lie). Meanwhile, Hillary tells a lie to the FBI and her stupidity did got somebody KILLED!

Yes, Muslims celebrated in the streets in foreign countries, most notably on the  Gaza Strip and the West Bank.
But that's not New Jersey.  Trump lied, and rather than admit he was mistaken on the location, he repeated the lie again and again.

it seemed worst because Hillary wants to bring those Anti-Americans to our country.

This man is incapable of committing error - a classic symptom of narcissistic personality disorder.

Once again... the Orlando Shooter did CHEER on 9/11.

The bottom line is this:  I do not like Donald Trump because he is an a$$hole.
And I do not trust him because he is a liar, on this and many other issues.
And his speeches show a consistent failure to understand a wide range of topics.

Well the bottom line is I hated Bush, Romney and McCain and I still voted for them because the other-side seemed worst to my perspective.

Also I don't care how you dice it there is a 100% possibility that Hillary or Trump will be the next president. If you don't vote for Trump than you are voting for Hillary. If if voted for a 3rd party your still voting for Hillary. If you like Hillary than that's fine. I'm OK if your a supporter of Hillary. I really really want to talk about Hillary and I want to talk to Hillary supporters. Since you said you agree 20% of Obama I can guess that you agree 20% of Hillary too (since she is running as 3rd term Obama).


Please, lets talk about Hillary.

[El Misfit]

Skull, not gonna lie and come out forward- Death Train came out in 05/06 after CAFTA basically ruined farmers and the living conditions there. Saying Obama has Death Trains even before he was president is a bit of stretch.

[indianasmith]

Trump/Hillary = cyanide/arsenic to me, Skull.
Not going to vote for either, PERIOD.  BOTH of them are terrible for America.  I just hate that the GOP lost a chance to crush Hillary by flocking to a person who is even more unpopular than her.
A NO vote for Trump is just that.  It's not a YES vote for Hillary.  I am voting against BOTH of them.

And honestly, dude, if you can't see the difference between ONE American Muslim cheering on 9/11 - which apparently was never aired on television - and Donald Trump  saying that "Thousands of Muslims cheered on the rooftops of New Jersey" - then you are delusional.  Are you really saying those claims are identical?  They are NOT.  Trump claimed to see something on TV that was never aired, and even when he was shown to be wrong, he refused to back down from that claim because he cannot stand to be wrong about ANYTHING.  How can you ever learn anything if you are incapable of admitting a simple mistake?

[Allhallowsday]

SKULL - Trump said, and said repeatedly, and refused to back down, that "thousands of Muslims" were celebrating on 9/11 "on the rooftops in New Jersey."  THAT WAS A LIE.  IT DID NOT HAPPEN.

I hardly see this as a lie because we know for a fact that the Orlando shooter did cheer on 9/11.
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Huh?  Can this get any more stupid?  The "Orlando shooter" happened this year, 2016.  The cheering of September 11, 2001, 15 years ago, did not happen in New Jersey, and any more commentary is obfuscation of the facts.  FACTS like your lord deigns to drop on us like manna from heaven. 

[Jim H]

Trump/Hillary = cyanide/arsenic to me, Skull.
Not going to vote for either, PERIOD.  BOTH of them are terrible for America.  I just hate that the GOP lost a chance to crush Hillary by flocking to a person who is even more unpopular than her.
A NO vote for Trump is just that.  It's not a YES vote for Hillary.  I am voting against BOTH of them.

And honestly, dude, if you can't see the difference between ONE American Muslim cheering on 9/11 - which apparently was never aired on television - and Donald Trump  saying that "Thousands of Muslims cheered on the rooftops of New Jersey" - then you are delusional.  Are you really saying those claims are identical?  They are NOT.  Trump claimed to see something on TV that was never aired, and even when he was shown to be wrong, he refused to back down from that claim because he cannot stand to be wrong about ANYTHING.  How can you ever learn anything if you are incapable of admitting a simple mistake?

Did you know that hundreds of chess champions applauded 9/11 while ranting about Jews?  I heard about it on the radio that day.  Hundreds of them. 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/1364118/Bobby-Fischer-speaks-out-to-applaud-Trade-Centre-attacks.html

[Skull]

Skull, not gonna lie and come out forward- Death Train came out in 05/06 after CAFTA basically ruined farmers and the living conditions there. Saying Obama has Death Trains even before he was president is a bit of stretch.

The death trains I'm talking about are the one's with children placed on them because of Obama Amnesty. I do hold Obama responsible for each child placed on the train to America because they are only going on the train because Obama has gave Amnesty to minors. If you want to assume that each child is sitting first class on a train, eating 3 meals a day and not getting raped, and murdered because each child is protected; cool I guess. But the fact is THE CHILDREN ARE ON THE TRAIN BECAUSE OF OBAMA AMNESTY TO MINORS.

Huh?  Can this get any more stupid?  The "Orlando shooter" happened this year, 2016.  The cheering of September 11, 2001, 15 years ago, did not happen in New Jersey, and any more commentary is obfuscation of the facts.  FACTS like your lord deigns to drop on us like manna from heaven.  

Yes I know that's crazy - but once again it also shows that the shooter was educated into this crap thinking. Please, spend some time and listen to the kids father. Maybe you should read the Quran... It's really hard to talk about facts when you guys are only looking at things with a very, very narrow point of view - but I guess this is why Obama has such a high approval rating because most of us don't know what the hell is going on.

Trump/Hillary = cyanide/arsenic to me, Skull.
Not going to vote for either, PERIOD.  BOTH of them are terrible for America.  I just hate that the GOP lost a chance to crush Hillary by flocking to a person who is even more unpopular than her.
A NO vote for Trump is just that.  It's not a YES vote for Hillary.  I am voting against BOTH of them.

Sorry but it don't work that way. You toss a coin and 100% it's going to land on heads or tails. There is no such thing as I vote for neither. You have to determine which of the 2 is the one that you agree with the most. And like you had said, you agree 20% Obama so it's logical that your vote is going for Hillary. :)

The 5 million republicans that voted for McCain and decided to stay home and not vote Romney did nothing but re-elect Obama. So they have no right to b***h about anything Obama had done on the second term...

And honestly, dude, if you can't see the difference between ONE American Muslim cheering on 9/11 - which apparently was never aired on television - and Donald Trump  saying that "Thousands of Muslims cheered on the rooftops of New Jersey" - then you are delusional.  Are you really saying those claims are identical?  They are NOT.  Trump claimed to see something on TV that was never aired, and even when he was shown to be wrong, he refused to back down from that claim because he cannot stand to be wrong about ANYTHING.  How can you ever learn anything if you are incapable of admitting a simple mistake?

I think we are walking in circles here. I don't see it as a lie because there are too many Americans that wouldn't believe that there was Muslims cheering on 9/11 - period. It doesn't matter if they were cheering on rooftops, on the streets or in the backyards... the point is that is a good number of Muslims that are LIVING in America and hates America because the rules don't comply with their religious belief. Maybe you should read the Quran.

Now if we want to talk about lies - lets talk about Hillary and her secret server that got a CIA agent killed.

[kakihara]

Skull, ulthar;
You have brought up some very important points. Im glad to hear more and more people talk about these things. The death trains are very real, this started before obama, but his policies have made the situation worse.  Muslims celebrating on 9/11 happened. Trump exaggerated about thousands on roof tops, but it still happened. The knee jerk reaction to this is to defend islam and use words like bigot. Yes, there are good muslims, i know a couple, but there are also very bad muslims. That element is very real, someone gets hacked to death every day in the name of alllah. It may not be " the real islam" but there are lot of people who subscribe to this idealogy and they are here. We should be concerned. Political correctness has been weaponized and is killing us. I am fully aware that trump may be a disaster but at the very least he has addressed very important issues. By doing so he has pulled the changed politics and people are seeing the corruption. Indy - im glad that you atleast recognize that hillary not good. Hillary personifies corruption. Trump is a rich ego-maniac a-hole, but i think he has good intentions.

[indianasmith]

This will be the first Presidential Election since I started voting in 1984 that I simply can't make myself pull the lever for the GOP Candidate.  But I'm NOT voting Democrat - I'm disgusted, not crazy!!!!   

[Skull]

Skull, ulthar;
You have brought up some very important points. Im glad to hear more and more people talk about these things.

Thanks - this reply make me feel so happy. :)

The death trains are very real, this started before obama, but his policies have made the situation worse.

Yep, the death trains started when there was rumor that amnesty will be granted. The democrats love to do things for the children and they gave Amnesty to the children - therefore I'm forced to point out that Obama has done more harm to the children with his death trains. I do believe that once Obama is no longer president we are going to see picture evidence of the graves, right now the black-out is tight. Although, it shouldn't take much to understand that the trip is 30 days long and the children are unaccompanied.

Muslims celebrating on 9/11 happened. Trump exaggerated about thousands on roof tops, but it still happened. The knee jerk reaction to this is to defend islam and use words like bigot. Yes, there are good muslims, i know a couple, but there are also very bad muslims. That element is very real, someone gets hacked to death every day in the name of alllah. It may not be " the real islam" but there are lot of people who subscribe to this idealogy and they are here. We should be concerned.

Yeah, I also believe there are good Muslims too but the numbers are frightfully smaller than hows it's reported. The numbers are so small that Radical Islam (in the Muslim eyes) are the ones that don't believe in sharia law; and when we call out Radical Islam as the terror - we are feeding the Middle East propaganda. Sadly we are sort of forced to say Radical Islam because of Political Correctness.


The funny thing about Trumps 'exaggeration' it forces people to look back and realized there were people that were happy to see the fall of the twin towers. b***hing about this exaggeration is like b***hing about the Texas Chain Massacre movie because it has nothing to do with Ed Gein. If we are going to nitpick on lies then Hillary lie should over shadow anything Trump had said, because her lie did kill a CIA agient, her lie also put other Americans in danger.


I was a little kid when Reagan was president and my school (which was in Chicago) stressed that we could be under a nuclear attack. We had the nuclear attack drill at least once a month. I do think this was more or less propaganda pushed in the school because Chicago is a democrat controlled city. Reagan never pushed that red button but I swear that I heard so much fear about this from my teachers that you would think that the nuclear button was on Reagan's bedside and he'll push that button at any moment, even in his sleep. Again looking back I think the teachers were wrong to suggest this stuff - but that's Chicago in the 1980's.

When I hear people saying that Trump could push that button - I keep thinking about Reagan and my teachers in school.  

Political correctness has been weaponized and is killing us.

It's hard to be blunt while speaking truthful and NOT to been seen as being rude.

I am fully aware that trump may be a disaster but at the very least he has addressed very important issues. By doing so he has pulled the changed politics and people are seeing the corruption.

I guarantee if Jed Bush was nominated for president we'll be hearing "Wasn't 12 years of Bush failed policies enough?" and if it was Ted Cruz or anybody else we'll get shovels and shovels of dirt. We'll be thinking that any republican running for president is a disaster. And before Trump announced it looked like the Republicans were going to be an epic fail.

This will be the first Presidential Election since I started voting in 1984 that I simply can't make myself pull the lever for the GOP Candidate.  But I'm NOT voting Democrat - I'm disgusted, not crazy!!!!  

I think you need to explain this. I'm trying to understand how you can assume that your no vote is a vote of righteousness is not a vote for Hillary. As for Trump (again walking in circles) - you have the other candidates to blame for not stealing Trump's thunder before the primary.

[ulthar]

The Democrats slaughter faith in yet another federal agency by putting politics ahead of truth:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/07/06/fbi-clinton-email-corruption-dylann-roof-arizona-fort-hood-omar-mateen-irs-secret-service-glenn-reynolds-column/86725236/

[indianasmith]

Skull - a no vote for Trump is just that.  It's not a vote FOR Hillary unless I choose to vote for Hillary, which I won't.
Let's be perfectly honest.  I'm from Texas.  There are more than enough angry white rednecks here that Trump will carry my state no problem, with or without my vote.  I want to be able to look myself in the mirror after Election day, and I can't if I vote for a godless, nasty man like Trump or a baby-killing liberal like Hillary.  So I'm passing on both!!!

[Chainsawmidget]

You could always vote for a third party candidat.

[Rev. Powell]

You could always vote for a third party candidat.

Thank you for the chance to post this again!

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[indianasmith]

You could always vote for a third party candidat.

That is exactly what I am planning to do!