scary nudity

[Susan]

>>dammit susan, you have got me thinking of the shining, and now i'm going to have to poke my eyes out with hot slivers of metal, just to try and get the image out of my head!!!<<

muahaha

>>You know, it bug me whenever anyone says "you americans."<<<

Yeah, I mean we don't show breasts and suddenly we're "those americans" again.

Those Brits  
sure are obsessed with boobies. ;-)



Post Edited (10-27-03 19:08)

[JohnL]

>When I saw the topic for this thread I was going to nominate the old woman in the
>hotel room in "The Shining". But alas, wrong topic of discussion going on here..lol

I was thinking the same thing.

>I saw a movie in college that had a four hundred pound naked lesbian. That's
>something I don't think I'll ever get over.

What was it called? I want to make sure I never watch it by accident!

[raj]

I've got no idea.  That scene blocked out every other memory of that movie.

[Alexandre]

I'm sorry if I did  hurt anyone with this observation, I mean, by the way I said it. I'm from Montréal and my English is kind of poor, I would probably have said it otherwise with a better knowledge of your language. I of course didn't mean "all Americans are prudish", that was really not the point.  
And I'm not obsessed by boobs (exept perhaps my girlfriend's but that's not the point either...)

[kriegerg69]

That was in THE SENTINEL....and that HUGE woman (among other grotesque naked women in the film) also has a big rat crawling on her leg near her pubic region...


UGH!! :-P

[kriegerg69]

It's called a double-standard: Europe is much more relaxed about ANY kind of nudity, but there's too much prudish attitudes here in the U.S., which is why you more often see nude women in movies here than you do nude men. As far as the internet goes, prudishism (?) also applies, because many webservers won't allow nude images....period.

[Grumpy Guy]

GOD!!!

WHY DOES IT EVEN MATTER????

I'm sorry, I really am, but the truth is that Americans have a somewhat different culture than other countries.  Yes, suprise, it is true.  For much the same reason that ancient chinese art could depict the most graphic acts of sex, but could never show a naked foot, some people in America (and, I am certain, in Montreal, Europe, and every-freeking-where else in the world) prefer not to be surrounded by boobs, genitals, and so on.

There are many, many, many, many American run web sites that have plenty of nudity - both male and female.  This just doesn't happen to be one of them.

And I, for one, want to thank Andrew for providing such an environment.  It is refreshing to not be inundated with porn pop-ups and indescriminate nudity.  Thank you, Andrew, for giving us an adult place to be without making it "ADULT."

[kriegerg69]

Grumpy Guy wrote:

> GOD!!!
>
> WHY DOES IT EVEN MATTER????

...because THAT'S the subject of this particular thread. Otherwise, why not just say the same "Why does it matter?" about EVERY subject brought up here.

Your username, "Grumpy Guy", is very appropriate.

> I'm sorry, I really am, but the truth is that Americans have a
> somewhat different culture than other countries.  Yes, suprise,
> it is true.  For much the same reason that ancient chinese art
> could depict the most graphic acts of sex, but could never show
> a naked foot, some people in America (and, I am certain, in
> Montreal, Europe, and every-freeking-where else in the world)
> prefer not to be surrounded by boobs, genitals, and so on.

Very true....also strange how in Japanese films you CAN have nudity, but you CAN'T show pubes. Go figure....

> There are many, many, many, many American run web sites that
> have plenty of nudity - both male and female.  This just
> doesn't happen to be one of them.

That's not the issue here....whether or not Andrew's site should have nude images...The issue is the differences between American and other cultures' perspectives on nudity....Period.

> And I, for one, want to thank Andrew for providing such an
> environment.  It is refreshing to not be inundated with porn
> pop-ups and indescriminate nudity.  Thank you, Andrew, for
> giving us an adult place to be without making it "ADULT."

You still don't get the point of this particular thread, do you? This has nothing to do with whether or not Andrew's site has "indiscriminate nudity" or adult content.

[Grumpy Guy]

You know, I think maybe you're the one who doesn't get the point of this thread.  It actually started with Alexandre asking why there was no nudity on the site, and it also posed the broader question about why Americans as a whole seem to be so prudish (I'm paraphrasing - I hope that's what you ment, Alexandre).  

Now, I am not fond of blanket statements that cover an entire culture, race, religion, or what have you.  I find such statements fairly offensive, for reasons I stated in my last thread.  I could easily say "All people who use the number 69 in their log-in are perverts, because there can't be any possible use for that number other than the obvious sexual connotation."  But that wouldn't be right, would it?

So now, I get this thing going where all the people I talk to online start agreeing with me.  The number 69 in a login means perversion and/or sex obsession.  This though pattern spreads further.  Eventually, people start treating you like a dirty old man just because you login with a 69 at the end of your name.

 I also disagree that American culture can be called "Prudish" because the government has decided that boobs don't belong on prime time television.  It isn't so because you say it is, after all.

=AHEM=

My primary point still stands however.  Why does it matter to anyone weather or not boobs are put on display here?  I trust that boobs are not why anyone comes here.  So, to put things in a less emotional way than I managed to do in my last post, why should anyone care?  It would offend some people (not just U.S. Americans, I might add) if there were boobs, but does it offend anyone if there are none?  Somehow, I doubt it.  So, the no nudity clause of this site makes it more friendly to everyone - from us "prudish" Americans to those "prudish" people in other countries.

[nshumate]

...Just ask Alexandre why the Quebecois are just so deathly affrighted of English, and suddenly the whole debate about the display of boobies will disappear.

[raj]

kriegerg69 wrote:



> Very true....also strange how in Japanese films you CAN have
> nudity, but you CAN'T show pubes. Go figure....

That is due to General MacArthur who wrote the Japanese constitution.  Hmm, a seance this Friday, to ask him?

[raj]

Thanks.  Now I know which movie to avoid.

[JohnL]

>I also disagree that American culture can be called "Prudish" because the
>government has decided that boobs don't belong on prime time television.

America as a whole IS prudish. Not only can't you have boobs on ad-based TV shows at any time of the day (well, technically, you CAN, but it's generally not done), you can't have nudity in magazine ads, billboards, on public beaches etc. All this because of the prudish belief that nudity is sinful, or that seeing nudity will somehow harm children (what about children raised by nudists/naturists?). Magazines will even reject ads that are too suggestive. Wal-Mart stopped selling Maxim magazine because it was too sexy for their 'family friendly' enviroment. You can't even have issues of Playboy on display in a normal store unless you have the cover obscured.

[Susan]

I actually see partial nudity on tv and commercials quite frequently john. Some shows in particular get away with it more - I think NYPD blue started the whole butt shot but i've seen full frontal on ER (they've even got away with saying s**t and f*) They've shown Schindlers list undedited (and you know some of the scenes in that movie were sexual) And we're talking prime time tv. God knows what goes on during those daytime soaps these days becaues I know i've seen movies and shows where couples are having sex and climaxing.   We're a nation famous for the porn industry and Playboy.  I think there is alot of reservedness on nudity but I personally don't care any which way about it. I used to complain about the lack of male nudity in films and it being so sexist to show full frontal on a woman and have an R rating but a man gets an X. However, after viewing plenty of European films with male nudity (often in a non sexual context) - i have no desire to see that incorperated into more films..lol

I'm beginning to think coast to coast men really spend alot of time thinking about boobies. And yes that's a generalization..sue me. ;-)



Post Edited (10-28-03 20:10)

[Alexandre]

Grimpy Guy,  once again, I didn't mean "all Americans are prudish", please, don't take it so personal. I only made an observation about cultural differences, that's all.