OT: Porno & Morality

[blkrider]

I'm sure there are some people out there who are actually aroused by that type of porn, but I think for most its appeal is just the gross-out factor more than anything sexual.  

I'm married and do watch porn on occasion, though a lot less than I did when I was single.  I tend to favor 70s era stuff, though I like some of the amateur stuff that's out there today.  I try to stay away from internet porn just because so many of the sites are sketchy as far as spyware, etc...it's funny, my wife has more of a problem with internet porn.  She doesn't mind me watching videos but there's something about the internet porn [probably because in a lot of cases the users are communicating with the girls on the various sites] that she doesn't like.  

She made an interesting point about the "feminist porn."  The people who make it seem to think that women don't enjoy watching sex unless there's a semblance of a storyline.  According to my wife anyway, that's not true at all---women like watching sex as much as men do, and that's why she thinks the "women-oriented" porn has never really been that successful.  

As far as porn being "unrealistic", of course it is.  It's fantasy.   I think that's the big appeal of it, especially for those whose sexual relationships in the real world are non-existent or unsatisfying for whatever reason.

[dean]

>>>By UNI, do you mean University of Northern Iowa, and if so, do you live in Cedar Falls?

Nah just university in general, especially since I live in a complete other country! :P

I'm in Melbourne Australia at the University of Melbourne.

[ulthar]

blkrider wrote:


> As far as porn being "unrealistic", of course it is.  It's
> fantasy.   I think that's the big appeal of it, especially for
> those whose sexual relationships in the real world are
> non-existent or unsatisfying for whatever reason.

True.  The main point of the article was that you take people with 'normal' sex lives (okay, so there's a BIG std. deviation on THAT bell curve, but so what), let's say Average Joe Married Guy.  He works 40-50 hr per week, and the wife does, too.  They have 2-4 kids, all running around getting into stuff.  Their lives are quite busy.  Their physical relationship is probably not what they would wish it to be.  (Or, if you want, take the other extreme, Geeky Single Guy, who, when he goes out on Friday night without a date).

Newsflash:  for most couples in this type of situation, their lives do not revolve around sex.  Hopefully, most have fulfilling physical relationships (sadly, many do not).

Here's the problem: when people with normal lives hold themselves to the yardstick of what is portrayed as "normal" in porn.  It's like any other escapism.  It's fine to escape; it's bad when the escape becomes your reality.  I think the author of the article failed to point out that this is a big issue with porn simply because sex is such a basic drive in virtually all humans.  This strong drive, coupled with a very sexualized society, seems to make many of us think we have to be having (or at least thinking about) sex all the time.  If we aren't, we are not cool.  Or the 'in crowd.'

Getting back to that busy couple:  dude starts lookin at porn, wondering why HIS life is not like that.  HIS WIFE does not do ALL THAT STUFF, with THAT BIG SMILE, etc, etc, etc.  For whatever reason, it seems easier with porn than with many other escapist or fantasy pasttimes to make that next step: he begins to say "there's something missing in my life, and the porn is closer to reality."

And there is a lot of porn, internet porn, designed specifically around 'looking real.' It's specifically marketed to make that leap easier to take, and therein lies the danger of it becoming addiction.  Type "porn addiction" in Google and see just how big a problem it really is.  Better yet, visit some of the forums and read some messages by people whose lives this addiction has affected.

It's not trivial, and should not be marginalized.

[Fluffy Cat Food]

Well I've decided to mention him Mr Henry. Max Hardcore is the guy and yes I've seen him, he's really sick, the way he screws those girls, its like hes punishing and degrading them for being women. Plus he likes really young looking girls, I bet hes a pedophile.

I've always wanted to beat the crap out of him

[Master Blaster]

That reminds me. I was watching Zombi4 After Death awhile ago and there was this beefy guy walking around with his shirt unbuttoned. I was laughing because I thought he looked like a gay porn star. As it turns out, after looking up the movie in a book I have on zombie flicks the guy was a gay porn star. Jeff Stryker or something. It was his attempt to break into normal movies.

[blkrider]

I really doubt most people who watch porn think that porn is a representation of real life.  I guess maybe some of the younger or less intelligent people might, but I don't think it's any more likely than people here thinking that zombie movies are real life.  

I know that some people do have addiction problems with pornography but I think that has more to do with an individual's personal problems than it does with pornography itself.  If most of those people weren't addicted to porn they would be addicted to something else.  I think it's better if people look at porn the way they do alcohol, food, or other "addictive" substances.  There are alcoholics for example, but only the most rigid moralists think booze is evil.  Most people who drink don't have a problem with it.  I think it's the same way with most people who "use" porn.  If a person finds it is damaging their relationships with other people then yes, they probably have some kind of problem.  But that's not necessarily the case with most of the people who choose to get involved with it.

[Mighty Jalapeno]

My wife informs me I find it immoral and disgusting.

[Scott]

It's a tough subject as most were brought up in some form of family structure. The main thing is you wouldn't want to see your own family members in a porno film especially children you love.  That is why  many abhor these films.

I wouldn't call todays pornography filmmaking, unlike in the 70's xxx theatrical productions. From what I know of todays junk it's just one sex scene after another. This maybe more addictive, but I'm not sure. What was neat about the 70's is it had some wacky situations with at least a thread of a story that would put the average person in situations that people don't normally find themselves in, but that was the fun of it. Today it's now just one obsessive sex loop after another. The 70's is considered the Golden Age for the industy and it vanished with the advent of home video.

Most of those in the Porn industy are unfortunately  into drugs and the risk for disease in great. Heard on the news that they are going to force them to wear protection now under the idea that they work for a company and must be provided safety for employees/actors/actressess.

Anytime one is aroused it is from a visual image either of the mind or on film. Either way arousal is produced by a form a porn or a mental image.

Strangely enough I think porn has helped race relations as it has helped make inter-racial relationships more acceptible in the minds of some and could be use to help promote inter-racial relationships in an indirect way.

Everything has its time and place under the sun. All things work towards the good wether it be good or not. There are two eternal qualities one called stillness and the other is motion, the riddle is to find out what lies beyond the two.



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[mr. henry]

> Some of the stuff marketed as 'adult' is not porn (ie, sexual)
> at all.  And some is, in fact, very degrading to all concerned
> (including the women).  Personally, I just cannot for the life
> of me figure out why some of those people do some of the things
> they do; the money ain't THAT GREAT, and even if it were, money
> ain't everything.
>
> Sheesh.  It truly takes all kinds to make the world go 'round.
>
> Thanks, Mr. H, for that visual image...
>
how about a little comic relief ULTHAR???..........

DAVE CHAPPELLE spoiler...showtime special

on R. Kelly's pee tapes: "when i was fifteen i was old enough to decide whether or not i wanted to be peed on. if some MFer started peeing on me, i do believe i'd step the f-out the way!"

- mr. henry
www.310am.com

Author: mr. henry (---.consolidated.net)
Date:   12-12-04 21:47

porno runs such a gammut that you cannot lump it into "porn" only these days...people spitting into each others mouths, fluids dispersed into eye cavities, the drinking and eating of bodily refuse and WORSE WORSE WORSE...if you don't know who MAX is, then you definitely don't want to know........

- mr. henry
www.310am.com

REOPEN THE COBAIN CASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ask me about it at alienstepin@hotmail.com
or read TOM GRANT's website!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"When the pigs try to get at ya
Park it like it's hot
Park it like it's hot
Park it like it's hot"
- S N double-o P, D O double-G

"why do you want to shoot squirrels?"
"because they're gay"
-cabin fever

"there is truth in your fiction and fiction in your truth" - ANIMATRIX

"i own the holy grail of rock and roll" - courtney "the killer" cobain...guess she can now buy all those high end lexus's that kurt made her return before his "demise"



Post Edited (12-14-04 22:16)

[ulthar]

> >
> how about a little comic relief ULTHAR???..........
>


It's cool, man.  I'm just glad you did not mention tub girl.

[mr. henry]

word scottttttttttttttttttt...

BOOGIE NIGHTS does the best job documenting the impending decline of porn storylines.

ever seen PORN STAR, the RON JEREMY documentary???

hilarious stuff...he's done so much porn that the only stuff he gets excited about are his legit projects, like TROMA movies and such...it's kinda cute...and that's saying a LOT where RON JEREMY is concerned!

- mr. henry
www.310am.com

REOPEN THE COBAIN CASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ask me about it at alienstepin@hotmail.com
or read TOM GRANT's website!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! kurt had 3x a lethal heroin dose injected into his bloodstream prior to supposedly shooting off his own head and then magically wiping the prints off of the shotgun....

"i own the holy grail of rock and roll" - courtney "the killer" cobain...guess she can now buy all those high end lexus's that kurt made her return before his "demise"

"When the pigs try to get at ya
Park it like it's hot
Park it like it's hot
Park it like it's hot"
- S N double-o P, D O double-G

"why do you want to shoot squirrels?"
"because they're gay"
-cabin fever

"there is truth in your fiction and fiction in your truth" - ANIMATRIX

[JohnL]

>this is way off the beaten path but what do you all think of pornography? does
>anyone find it amoral? degrading to women? or are you cool with it? i'm just
>curious and want to get a consensus of this smart, b-movie lovin' board.

As long as it doesn't involve people consuming bodily waste products, or two guys together, I'm cool with porn.

>The gist of it was basically that porn depicts completely unrealistic sexual
>attitudes, especially in women.

And action films depict unrealistic macho attitudes. especially in men.

>Personally as long as nobody is being forced to make it, nobody is being
>forced to watch it, everybody is an adult, and everybody takes a shower, who
>gives a damn.

Apparently the Department of Justice and Attorney General John Asscrack. I've been seeing news stories off and on for a while now which say that his position is that *ALL* porn, even the most mainstream, plain vanilla porn you can think of, is illegal and that the DOJ has let it slide for too long. Supposedly, they're gearing up for a major crackdown on porn, both on the net and traditional forms such as magazines and video tapes. They want to bust a few high-profile producers to put a scare into the rest and hopefully force a large portion of them out of business.

>Some of the stuff marketed as 'adult' is not porn (ie, sexual) at all. And some is, in
>fact, very degrading to all concerned (including the women). Personally, I just
>cannot for the life of me figure out why some of those people do some of the
>things they do;

Some of them enjoy it. I've seen interviews with some women who do some of the more unconventional porn and they talk about how they like getting paid to do things they enjoy and would do for free anyway.

>I try to stay away from internet porn just because so many of the sites are
>sketchy as far as spyware, etc...

Just download your porn from the alt.binaries newsgroups. As long as you stay away from WMV files with their ability to embed ActiveX content, you'll be fine.