Nazi Double Feature

[Scott]

ILSA SHE WOLF OF THE SS (1974) - This film lives up to its reputation. Brutal film about a sadistic female comandant of a German consentration camp. The film is actually shot on the set that was used by HOGANS HEROS. The DVD has a good audio commentary with David Friedman who changed his name on the credits of this film and the star Dyanne Thorne who played Ilsa.



SALON KITTY (1976) - A film about the decadent life style of the Nazi elite. The film wasn't very interesting in my opinion except for one scene near the beginning when the line up a group of men and woman for service to Hitler. Also the film was directed by the same guy who directed CALIGULA.



Rented both from Netflix



Post Edited (12-13-04 22:43)

[Brother Ragnarok]

I don't know if Ilsa was all that brutal.  I mean, there are some horrible things happening in that movie, but it's all so tongue-in-cheek, especially once you listen to the commentary, which is one of the best out there.  The one on Harem Keeper of the Oil Sheiks is great, too.
If you want just flat-out brutality without the sense of humor, rent Men Behind the Sun.  Just make sure you have about a week of free time afterward for bedrest and recovery.

[Wence]

"Ilsa Koch - She Wolf of the SS" is not a b-movie but it´s a crap-movie.
A sense- and worthless mixture of violence, pseudo-porn and "history".
There are many films that show the abhorrent brutality and bestiality of the concentration camps and what these nazi-fags have done there - but this movie, man, that´s a insult even for the straightest trash-fans!!!
A friend of mine bought it years ago and we watched it - I´m ashamed having seen this scum but I´m happy that this is not a german production!

[Scott]

There are also some sick scenes in SALON KITTY right after the male and female line up. The Nazi's are studying some subject in prison cells one by one. These are some of the worst scenes, but not the worst in cinema history.

Wence take it easy we are talking about movies. Yes the past was terrible, but you had nothing to do with the attrocities of that time period, so don't over react. I'm assuming from past movie post about European film that you are a German. If that is so, then keep in mind that nobody is blaming you for what happened 60 years ago. : ) And let it be known that nobody is more sensitive towards other races than myself. Remember also alot of those so called "nazi-fags" as you called them were brought up from childhood and taught that type stuff in schools and many of the German soldiers believed they were the good guys. They were doing their duty like any good soldier. From a soldiers stand point the German soldiers were some of the best and in fact they ended up fighting the whole world under a very bad leader. They only heard the rumors of death camps. Only a small percentage of German military were involved with the death camps. It was also a different era when people could closely identify with nationality and noticed outsiders much quicker than today. It was also a transition period for much of the world from agrarian to industrial. They saw the metropolitan as bad and the volk as good. The inhabitants of the city often had foriegners. Just like today you don't see alot of foriegners in the countryside. The foriegners survived the best they could in the city as lenders and business people were the Germans had the earth/land and were still a part of the land. When German women were being sold for a  nights pleasure for a few potatoes during the depression in Germany the people became bitter towards foreigners who didn't want to become part of German way of life and traditions. You can still see this problem today in the U.S. and elsewhere and unfortunately Germany is the model for intolerant racist around the world, but Germans today should not let that concern them, nor should they over react. Sorry about the patchy history as it would take volumes to discuss this subject. Believe me there are plenty of bad people in this world all around us without having to bring up people of circumstance from 60 years ago. Both peoples were victims of the times. If the tragedy didn't happen in Germany if would have happend in another country. It was a tragedy for all involved.

What I don't get is America came over there to help both France and even Germany and now they are all upset about the U.S. going into Iraq. Crazy world without  any concept to lead them.

Brother Ragnarok your right the character of ILSA never actually tortured anyone herself, but she did oversee and order most of it. I think she enjoyed pleasure as much as pain.

I've had some rough viewing lately as I'm trying to cover all the movie genres and sub-genres that I can in my study of film history. These seem to be my last genres to look into as they are also harder to find, but Netflix has provided easy access to these more obscure film. Some of the genres that have hard to find films that I'm currently looking at are:

Cannibal Films
Exploitation
Zombie
Satanic
Giallo
Nazi
Blaxplotation
Nunsplotation
Serial Killers
Spaghetti Westerns
Classic Erotic Films
Biker Films
Gory Horror Films
Kung Fu

Yes, they are bad films. In fact all the worst. You don't have to agree with them to understand them from a students point of view. One can even appreciate the way something is distastfully done. I find the whole thing of interest.



Post Edited (12-14-04 18:14)

[Wence]

Scott, it seems you have misunderstood my comment as an overreaction, it was just a small comment on a film I didn´t like (in spite of finding the titts of Dyanna Thorne - like the rest of her - pretty cool).
I don´t feel guilty or blamed for the past.
For I am a student of history I think some of the points in your comment would be worth a longer discussion (if this wouldn´t be a b-movie-site):
- >>doing their duty like any good soldier
- >>German soldiers were one of the best
- my opinion is, that the nazi-regime in germany and all other things that evolved from it have discredited the ideology of nationalism - it was nationalism in it´s essence and it failed clearly.

Another question:
Did you see Hard Rock Zombies in the meantime?
When you have seen it, reply to my message on this movie.

[Scott]

Wence said:

>> my opinion is, that the nazi-regime in germany and all other things that evolved from it have discredited the ideology of nationalism - it was nationalism in it´s essence and it failed clearly.

Well stated Wence and I'll keep a look out for Hard Rock Zombies

[Brother Ragnarok]

I think you misunderstood me, Scott.  I didn't mean Ilsa the woman wasn't brutal, I meant "Ilsa : She Wolf of the SS" wasn't all that brutal.  It has a lot of nasty violence, but it's all played for camp.  It's not supposed to make you feel sick, it's supposed to make you smile and have a bit of a laugh at the perversion, then feel dirty about yourself for thinking it was cool.
There are movies like "Men Behind the Sun," which I mentioned before,  that don't have the campy sense of humor the Ilsa series has.  They're just flat-out mean spirited violence.

[Scott]

Yea, that's what I think Wence meant when speaking derogatory about this film, because they didn't take the subject serious enough. That is also probably the real reason why the director wouldn't put his name on the film. He gave what sounded like a phony reason on the audio commentary.

[BoyScoutKevin]

While I have not see the film, Joe Bob Briggs talks about it in his book "Profoundly Disturbing: Shocking Movies That Changed History." Interestingly enough, in his discussion of the film, he does make the point, that whatever she may or may not have done, she was probably not as bad as she has been portrayed. Of course, the movie doing nothing for her reputation.

[Wence]

This topic aroused my curiosity and I looked for more about Dyanne Torne.

Years ago when I watched this film I heared rumours about an Ilsa-Triology and surprisingly, there exist not two but three other Ilsa-movies:

ILSA, THE TIGRESS OF SIBIRIA  1977

ILSA, HAREM KEEPER OF THE OIL SHEIKS  1976  

ILSA, THE WICKED WARDEN  1977
the best are the alternative titles:
Greta the Torturer
Greta, the Mad Butcher
Greta, the Sadist
Ilsa: Absolute Power
Wanda, the Wicked Warden  (Ilsa, Greta, Wanda? Yeah, that was really imaginative.)

I did not like "Shewulf of the SS" and normally I have a dislike against these "women in a torture camp"-flicks, but "Harem Keeper of the Oil Sheiks" sounds funny and, for I know the proportions of Dyanne Thorne, I think this movie is in some way "interesting".

[Scott]

I have ILSA, HAREM KEEPER OF THE OIL SHEIKS qued on my Netlix membership, but I have a few others to view before getting to it.