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« on: January 26, 2008, 12:05:20 AM »

What MOVIES do you like that EVERYBODY ELSE HATES ?? There is a movie I like everybody seems to hate: BOOGIE NIGHTS

Inspired to start a particular thread by similar threads in the BAD MOVIES forum, I watched BOOGIE NIGHTS again tonight, a film just about nobody seems to like.  This was my third viewing and I think this flick gets better with repeated viewing.  The takes are all long, sometimes very long, and with the sad commentary the effect is, my guess, typically an ill-feeling for the viewer.   The long takes do afford actors of any talent the opportunity to express the characters, and there are many upsetting and poignant moments.  The impressive cast did not sign on to do "porn" or junk (though the dialogue is often "junk") and includes JULIANNE MOORE, BURT REYNOLDS, PHILIP SEYMOUR HOFFMAN, MARK WAHLBERG, HEATHER GRAHAM, WILLIAM MACY, DON CHEADLE, ALFRED MOLINA, LUIS GUZMAN, THOMAS JANE, ROBERT RIDGELY... some very fine actors in that group... the candor of this film in dealing with its characters (largely performers and producers of pornography) disgusted, disturbed, or frightened many a filmgoer (***SPOILER***1980 is rung in with a murder/suicide)

I confess I immediately liked this film or should I say I admired it.  After feeling brutalized, we are nursed and lulled back into their dream world and treated to how human love makes a family.  I get this film which I initially found a major downer (and it's still a downer and yet not) but even the first time I still found it morbidly fascintating.  Like many films, particularly starting in the 1980s, this film has many great period recordings for a soundtrack, but unlike films like THE BIG CHILL, the fiber of this film does not come from its awesome soundtrack... it only helps to frame the era depicted.  The fiber is in the easily overlooked moments (like when MARK WAHLBERG as Eddie Adams as "Dirk Diggler" accepts his first adult film award, greets everyone at the table, perhaps 10 or 11 people and strides past his slave, PHILIP SEYMOUR HOFFMAN, who is waiting to high-five but is once again ignored). 

Refused custody, refused a bank loan, the "pornographers" thrive in their twilight world of sex, drugs, rock'n'roll, but struggle in the real world for any substantive attainment.  This film is more about how sex on film is equatible with violence on film, first as changing commentary within the story, and finally as brutal action by the pornographers and similar visited upon the self-prostituted.  DON CHEADLE has a Quentin Tarrantino moment in a Dunkin' Donuts... and we want it to happen...   TeddyR

Though this film is loaded with glimpses of stark sexual activity, we are thoroughly reminded of the lens, suddenly as any scene becomes titillating, the eye of the camera reminds the viewer of the taking of the image. 

At the very end, in the mid 1980s, the filmmaker Paul Thomas Anderson reverts to a 1960s BEACH BOYS tune, "God Only Knows" for the soundtrack which somehow is the perfect choice.  Maybe mostly because this film is from and about California.  Largely misunderstood, ultimately, this film is about finding family.  Enough about my movie...
What MOVIES do you like that EVERYBODY ELSE HATES ??   Lay it on us!   Cheers
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« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2008, 12:20:38 AM »

You know people who don't like Boogie Nights?!  Wow. Buggedout

Mine are less critically acclaimed flicks, like Car 54 Where Are You? and Harley Davidson and the Marlboro Man. Don't ask me why, but these two movies are on my list of "movies I know I should hate, but I have to watch them every time they're on TV anyway". Heh heh.  TeddyR


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« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2008, 12:28:14 AM »

BATTLEFIELD EARTH!  Thumbup

I could never understand why everybody was on this "John Travoltas Big Comeback" kick after PULP FICTION.  He's not that great an actor and all the garbage he was shoehorned into following his Tarantino-aided resurrection shows it.  There was, after all, a reason he had a "Big Go-Away"

The thing about BATTLEFIELD EARTH is that it gives him all this room to be a scenery-chewing ass...and it works.  The whole character of Terl relies on it!  Apparently Travolta's good friends with Forrest Whitaker and their dynamic in the film is a nice touch.  Barry Pepper does admirably, as does personal fave Kim Coates. 

The idea of language differences is dealt with pretty subtly and I think most audience members didn't even catch the gag.  The effects are pretty well done...it's the over reliance on "Batman Villain Hideout" camera angles that causes alot of grief for folks.  The director could have used the slo-mo a little more sparingly, but I think he was caught up in using it to stress the ponderous nature of the Psychlos.

Nowadays, very few science fiction films tell a story projected that far into the future.  It's all near-future/rainy/Japanese company logo strewn/rusting robot stuff.



ps...Allhallowsday, it's funny you mention BOOGIE NIGHTS as I was under the impression that I was the only person who didn't like it.  Then again, I'm a big fan of 70s/80s Golden Age porn, so to me Andersons film came across as way too self-aware...kinda like that crappt THAT 70s SHOW.
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« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2008, 12:44:19 AM »

Hmm well there's a few of those honestly (and by which I mean everybody else seems to hate, who knows for certain). Anyways there's:

ALIEN≥: I like the tight spaces, the claustrophic atmosphere of it all. Also felt there were some good performances from several key stars most notably Charles S. Dutton.

ALIEN: RESURRECTION: While not without its problems, I liked a lot of the cast. While ALIEN≥ was more a throwback to the original film in many ways, this one is closer to the ALIENS sequel although the European influence of director Jean-Pierre Jeunet is definitely more prevalent here. Some good excitement and unexpected surprises made for an entertaining action thriller for me.

AVP (2004): most people really don't care for this one but I felt it was great fun. Sure it's not up to the level of any of the previous films. This one tries to set itself up under a different mode and is more akin to a puzzle of connected events unraveling. Now there's some definite logic and continuity problems here and there but taken on its own merit, there were moments here that thrilled and entertained me and I liked the gradual build up to an exciting conclusion.

ROBOCOP 2: Just overloaded with action...there's a certain rewatchability factor with this one, even moreso than the original (in fact it proves more fun overall), especially the wonderful stop motion effects.

HIGHLANDER II: I'm one of the very few that likes this one. Truth is I actually prefer this one's SF slant to the original. I always felt the original was very overrated to be honest but of course it could be that deep down I've always preferred Sci-Fi to Fantasy and truth be told, I feel this one is in many ways underrated, its comedic and sci-fi elements in particular.

Now as allhallowsday full well knows, I definitely did not care for BOOGIE NIGHTS in the least. I find Wahlberg thoroughly unlikable in everything I've seen him in to date....now it might just be that he grates on me so much that I find it impossible to like stuff with him in it but honestly I found the film to be a bore too on top of that.

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« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2008, 09:01:38 AM »

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I know that both of them are horrible, multiple people have told me, but I like them (a lot more than I should, apparently). 
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« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2008, 09:45:28 AM »

The only one I can think of right now is The Matrix: Reloaded.  I thought it was a fun movie that built off of the first one...Yeah, the cave-rave scene is long and pointless but on the whole, I really liked it.  Too bad Revolutions sucked hard.
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« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2008, 10:23:38 AM »

Definately stuff like Closer and Happiness really repells alot of people but I loved both
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« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2008, 11:30:38 AM »

I've said it before here, I loved Ghosts of Mars, though I know most of you here hated it.  Sure, it made no sense, and the flashback inside a flashback was a bad plot device, but I loved the action, the cast, and the soundtrack.  Plus it was a Carpenter film, and even his really bad ones are fun to watch.

I loved Boogie Nights myself, that's one of those films I can watch over and over and not get bored.  But I have to disagree with the idea of the characters forming a family.  I saw Reynold's character as being more like Fagin from Oliver Twist, a father figure who nurtures until he gets what he needs from the characters, then chucks them aside for the newest favorite.  I also thought it was some of Reynold's very best work as an actor.
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« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2008, 11:41:33 AM »

I've said it before here, I loved Ghosts of Mars, though I know most of you here hated it.  Sure, it made no sense, and the flashback inside a flashback was a bad plot device, but I loved the action, the cast, and the soundtrack.  Plus it was a Carpenter film, and even his really bad ones are fun to watch.

Egad, but that film annoyed the living heck out of me.  I think I'd actually give it a skull.
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« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2008, 12:11:56 PM »

... I have to disagree with the idea of the characters forming a family.  I saw Reynold's character as being more like Fagin from Oliver Twist, a father figure who nurtures until he gets what he needs from the characters, then chucks them aside for the newest favorite.
Yeh?  What about the closing sequence?  Everybody is there, no one is left out.  There is even a new baby.  Earlier MARK WAHLBERG's character cokes out and pushes REYNOLDS to their confrontation.  He is not "chucked" out but arrogantly walks out.  I don't see REYNOLDS "chuck" anybody out (with the possible exception of the financier "Colonel" who would repulse anyone).  But in the end, where does WAHLBERG return to?  Who is comforting him?  "Mom" and "Dad."  It's not a senitmental observation, but a human one.  Think about WAHLBERG's real family in the film. 
I do agree about it being REYNOLDS' best work as an actor.
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« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2008, 12:25:37 PM »

I've said it before here, I loved Ghosts of Mars, though I know most of you here hated it.  Sure, it made no sense, and the flashback inside a flashback was a bad plot device, but I loved the action, the cast, and the soundtrack.  Plus it was a Carpenter film, and even his really bad ones are fun to watch.

I didn't love Ghosts of Mars, but I thought it was pretty entertaining, and it's better than Carpenter's overrated Assault on Precinct 13 in my opinion.

I know it has its fans, but I would say A.I. Artificial Intelligence is one I love, but lots of people hate it.
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« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2008, 12:28:13 PM »

... I have to disagree with the idea of the characters forming a family.  I saw Reynold's character as being more like Fagin from Oliver Twist, a father figure who nurtures until he gets what he needs from the characters, then chucks them aside for the newest favorite.
Yeh?  What about the closing sequence?  Everybody is there, no one is left out.  There is even a new baby.  Earlier MARK WAHLBERG's character cokes out and pushes REYNOLDS to their confrontation.  He is not "chucked" out but arrogantly walks out.  I don't see REYNOLDS "chuck" anybody out (with the possible exception of the financier "Colonel" who would repulse anyone).  But in the end, where does WAHLBERG return to?  Who is comforting him?  "Mom" and "Dad."  It's not a senitmental observation, but a human one.  Think about WAHLBERG's real family in the film. 
I do agree about it being REYNOLDS' best work as an actor.
I'm surprised you know people who don't like Boogie Nights.  It's such a good movie with a tremendous cast.  

Some movies I like that others don't include:

Ed Wood- I wish more people would like this, but most people I talk to have either a) never heard of it, or b) saw it and thought it was too weird.  Johnny Depp was great as Ed, Martin Landau was awesome as Bela, and Bill Murray was funny.  

Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory- As much as I love Gene Wilder's version, I thought Burton's film was wonderful.  

Big Fish- I felt the performances were wonderful, but sadly, I haven't seen too many people who have seen it.

Cannibal The Musical- Felt it was underrated, but I kinda understand if people don't like it, as it's a comedic musical with people eating each other.
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« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2008, 12:29:56 PM »

Around here it's "Beginning of the END", I just love this movie, my wife's response every time I run the tape is "You're not gonna watch that piece of #$%$ again are you!" Even though this is arguably one of the worst movies ever, it still fascinates me, possibly because grasshoppers give me the willies in a real big way.
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« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2008, 01:27:10 PM »

Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory- As much as I love Gene Wilder's version, I thought Burton's film was wonderful. 

Big Fish- I felt the performances were wonderful, but sadly, I haven't seen too many people who have seen it.

I second both of these.  I sort of understand why people don't like the Depp Willy Wonka...but didn't they know it was a movie based off of the same book as the Wider version?  Burton never claimed it was a remake of the musical.

Big Fish was a great old school Burton film...y'know back before he was going to remake/reimagine other movies.
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« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2008, 02:10:03 PM »

I'm surprised you know people who don't like Boogie Nights.  It's such a good movie with a tremendous cast.  
Look at some of the responses; at least two people commented upon not liking it, but I think the film is very good, and as you wrote, with "a trememdous cast." 

Some movies I like that others don't include:
Ed Wood- I wish more people would like this, but most people I talk to have either a) never heard of it, or b) saw it and thought it was too weird.  Johnny Depp was great as Ed, Martin Landau was awesome as Bela, and Bill Murray was funny.  
Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory- As much as I love Gene Wilder's version, I thought Burton's film was wonderful.  
Though my avatar might lead you to think I love the GENE WILDER flick, I only love parts of it.  I am mixed on most of TIM BURTON's work, but I found his CHARLIE AND THE CHOCOLATE FACTORY interesting. 
And I love ED WOOD
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