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so far 30 people have died in the US, almost all of them at a rest home in Washington state.

almost all the cases in the world are in China Italy and Iran

we're allowed to be a little cynical aren't we?

In fairness, there were Democrats in leadership roles who spoke about this pandemic by saying, "This could be an opportunity."
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In fairness, there were Democrats in leadership roles who spoke about this pandemic by saying, "This could be an opportunity."

so far 30 people have died in the US, almost all of them at a rest home in Washington state.

almost all the cases in the world are in China Italy and Iran

we're allowed to be a little cynical aren't we?

yes... I did hear... unbelievable stuff

Here's a map with a state by state run down.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-us-cases.html (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-us-cases.html)

My wife left the house at 6:15 a.m. today to get to the supermarket as soon as they opened and beat the crowds. She said it was crowded and crazy. I guess her plan didn't work.

Scientists close to developing coronavirus vaccine after tests on mice

A vaccine for the Covid-19 illness caused by the coronavirus is on the verge of being developed, a team of scientists has said.

Researchers, led by Mucosal Infection and Immunity head Dr Robin Shattock, told the Daily Express they have successfully trialled the vaccine in mice and are hopeful it could be ready for human trials by June.

Senior researcher Dr Paul McKay, of Imperial College London, told the paper: "I've got results from a month after I injected (the mice) and the vaccine works really, really well."

The team is working with scientists in Paris to determine the vaccine's effectiveness in monkeys.

Dr McKay said they have applied for further funding from the Medical Research Council to conduct human clinical trials.

"If we get the funding for the human clinical trials, we will put it into people by June," he said.

"If British scientists here develop a vaccine it would be great if the Government supported it."

Should the human trials be successful, the team is hopeful the vaccine will be available for patients in a year.

no, we are NOT. there are 3 new cases in my state. all 3 flew to kansas from florida. NOTHING has been said about tracking down all the people at that conference, all the hotel workers, all the people on that flight, all the people on the next flights of that plane, since there is no way it was actually disinfected between flights,NOTHING. there could be as many as 4000 people infected from ONE business conference. it is NOT a time for cynicism.

CDC estimates that so far this season there have been at least 36 million flu illnesses, 370,000 hospitalizations and 22,000 deaths from flu.

dr. fauci said yesterday that this is at least 10 times more deadly than any flu. this is SERIOUS, people. and it won't be over soon, either.

CCDC said it was fortunate COVID-19 has been mild for 81% of patients and has a low overall case fatality rate of 2.3% compared to SARS which had close to 10%. However, compared to the seasonal flu with a death rate in the U.S. of about about 0.1%, these statistics mean Covid-19 is 20 times deadlier than the flu.

I don't understand the stocking and hoarding of toilet paper. Water I can see, but needing 5 billion rolls of toilet paper? As far as catching it I'm more than likely to catch it due to working in a store. However, from what I've heard, the main sick ones that are hospitalize are usually older and heavy smokers.

It's purely psychological. People like to think that stockpiling gives them control over the situation. Why they pick toilet paper in particular is a mystery.

theres a certain type of liberal who really loves this. telling poeple what to do, stopping commerce, basically making people miserable

on my twitter feed they are outdoing each other telling people what to do with no shame whatsoever

The NBA, NCAA, Major League Baseball, Broadway, and so on do not close up shop and forgo billions of dollars of revenue just because there is a bad case of the flu going around.

Stockpiling in of itself isn't a terrible idea, it's great for preparations in case of a natural disaster. But I'm baffled as to why toilet paper is being hoarded.

First of all, a lot of people are going to catch this thing. CDC estimates anywhere from 20% to 60% of the population will be infected before Corona has run its course, depending largely on how successful our quarantine efforts are. That is pretty scary on its face, but there is good news. The vast majority of those infected will recover fully, most will only be sickened for a few days. The generally young and healthy have EXCELLENT (by that I mean, over 99%) odds of full recovery.

10 times more deadly than any flu is a much lower number than the "20 times deadlier" false information that was being touted a month ago:


https://www.ibtimes.com/china-coronavirus-20-times-deadlier-flu-men-more-likely-die-2924865 (https://www.ibtimes.com/china-coronavirus-20-times-deadlier-flu-men-more-likely-die-2924865)

 you should watch your step, child. we don't like trolls here.

Amid all the fears, quarantines and stockpiling of food, it has been easy to ignore the fact that more than 60,000 people have recovered from the coronavirus spreading around the globe.

Health officials point out that anti-inflammatory drugs are known to be a risk for those with infectious illnesses because they tend to diminish the response of the body’s immune system.

The health ministry added that patients should choose paracetamol – which is known in the US by the generic name acetaminophen and commonly by the brand name Tylenol – because “it will reduce the fever without counterattacking the inflammation”.

No, but they *do* shut it down when they don't want to risk their multi-billion dollar investments, oops I mean "players", catching a sniffle and potentially losing out on millions of dollars in endorsement deals in the midst of an overblown media-fed mass hysteria.

If you don't mind Rev, I may have to borrow that for FB. I am dealing with an outbreak of Dumbassery there.

Yes, it is time to be cynical. Or at least, one must wonder if you are this shocked at such trivial numbers in Kansas, then you must be wiping your own brains from your exploded head off the walls of your home at *these* far more devastating (and common) statistics:


https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm)

^ You kill me, man. You believe a comic book villain quote over TWHO?
Yes, there are dumbs**ts fighting over toilet paper.
But the reason for the precautions is so fewer people do die. I am one of those 'old and sickly' (  58, with heart disease) that you seem to not give a flying fvck about. This ain't a comic book, Jr.

:buggedout:

Current situation where I live (Bavaria, Germany) -

Beginning today and tomorrow, all stores will be closed for two weeks or after Easter. Only pharmacies, grocery stores and gas stations remain open. Grocery stores may expand opening hours until 10:00 pm and open Sundays until 6:00 pm. They are doing this so people will ease up on panic buying. It is encouraged to pay with (credit) cards.

Restaurants and food places remain open with restrictions (seating with 6 feet space between people, no more than 30 people, opening hours until 3:00 pm. Food delivery and take out only after 3:00 pm).

All schools and Kindergarten have been closed since last week. They will remain closed until after Easter.

Social gatherings are forbidden, also concerts, festivals etc. Movie theaters, swimming pools etc closed until further notice.

Pretty much all or most borders are closed I think.

Not a full fledged lockdown but we might get there sooner or later. All this is not stopping teens and young adults throwing secret "corona parties" where they get drunk. How idiotic is that?

 Almost as though world leaders had planned this well in advance...

really. you don't consider THIS as trolling? where do you go to school,honey? your principal should know that the students are not only disrespectful, they're not doing their homework, OR learning comprehension. I think i'll just call you junior from here on in. or maybe svenjie.

If Corona spreads to the same degree as the flu then a lot more people will die.

with very little known about the virus other than that it is only potentially dangerous to really old and sick people.

well, i'm not QUITE elderly, but i appreciate the sentiment!  :cheers:

Dude, you even understand the difference between a cold and a virus?

The common cold is a viral infectious disease that infects the upper respiratory system.

It is the most common infectious disease in humans and is mainly caused by coronaviruses or rhinoviruses.

^ You kill me, man. You believe a comic book villain quote over TWHO?
Yes, there are dumbs**ts fighting over toilet paper.
But the reason for the precautions is so fewer people do die. I am one of those 'old and sickly' (  58, with heart disease) that you seem to not give a flying fvck about. This ain't a comic book, Jr.

No RC, a person wrote that quotation. A person that made a valid observation about our society in general. I mean, look at some of you, after all. Too scared to even step outside in the daylight anymore for fear that the COVID-19 might get you. I have another quote written by a human being for you...

(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/bf/b7/12/bfb71265eee0f1121dea198bfd677296.jpg)

Hey, you learned how to post a link. Go you! I am almost impressed. Now, why do you think survival rates are increasing? Go on see if you can figure this part out. I'll give you a clue. The initial death rate when this disease first appeared in Wuhan was 4.3%

Ok, granted you've posted an article that shows that people are listening to the medical advice out there rather than supports what ever the hell it is you've been claiming, and you are still to post a single piece of proof that backs up anything you've said, but we can work on that. Honestly, you don't need to help us out by posting stuff that helps us. Look around. No one else seems to be buying your brand of Kool-Aid.

It is funny watching you try to sell it though, so please keep on. People need a laugh at times like this.

My “brand of Kool Aid” is telling you not to live in constant fear of this bug, yet you seem to prefer being scared sh!tless over all of this.

No need for personal attacks, guys. They won't convince others you're right; in fact, they do the exact opposite. They serve no purpose in a discussion.

I just can’t imagine being the person that knows they exposed a nursing home to it or spread it to someone that ended up dying from it.  I’m expecting lawsuits in a couple months with people claiming others intentionally infected them or someone was reckless and caused someone else to get it that died from it.  Could that be manslaughter?  There’s probably some blanket rule that will be applied to protect those people. 

Hi Paquita! Glad you're feeling well.

In my opinion there's no DA in the country who would charge someone who recklessly spread Covid-19 with manslaughter with the information we have now. (Such cases have very rarely been tried against people with HIV, and that's with everyone clearly understanding the risks involved for decades). As to whether a civil suit based on negligence could be filed... I suspect at least one will be, with the right set of facts. Success would depend on the jury, but juries tend to be very free with throwing other people's money at sympathetic defendants.

Future lawyer here too: I think in most civil cases it would be hard to prove actual malice.  Jury awards can get reduced at the appellate and higher stages.   If a judge thought a jury in a civil case was being really out of line or reached a conclusion that no reasonable jury could have reached the judge could enter what's called a Judgement NOtwithstanding the Verdict (JNOV).   It's not granted all that often but I could see it happening in a case like this.  

I'm sure you misspoke about actual malice. Unless I'm deeply wrong, it's not an element of negligence or non-defamation tort cases, though mens rea is required for most criminal cases. The rest is correct.

Sorry for the shop talk, folks.

I do wonder if there are going to be some defamation cases winding up through the courts though related to COVID-19?  I could see where situations where defamation might be an issue.

Catholic churches locally and I assume everywhere are having to cancel Lenten fish fries, and my mother knows a parish financial administrator who said one-quarter of her parish's yearly budget comes from those six weeks of Friday dinners.

That's going to filter down into the parish's ability to operate its food pantry and undertake other charitable works at the very time those are most needed.

In response the pastor there is donating his salary back into the church's charitable works fund (diocesan priests get paid, those in religious orders such as Jesuits, Franciscans, etc. get a more basic stipend), and some lay employees there are voluntarily taking 25% pay cuts, which is noble but I think this curtailing of churches' incomes represents the tip of the iceberg in all walks of life, private and public, when it comes to this pandemic affecting things we may not even be thinking about at this time.

It reminds me of, say, a tsunami hitting a coastal area, and how after the water recedes the area is still stricken in so many ways for a long time. We're potentially in for a long hard year.

I live in Washington state in the USA, about an hour south of Seattle.   We've had a good, organized response here.  Generally, the people here seem to be taking the isolation measures seriously.   But, we lost a bunch of people early in this in a nursing home, so that (in an awful way) gave us a good scare to get us up and running.

The kids are out of school, I'm sure, until the new school year in September.  No way anyone's going to be business as normal in a month or two.

Alaska appears to be having a good, organized response too.  Much of my family is there, and that's where I trained.

Oregon (the state to my south), not so great, per a colleague of mine this morning.

I'm watching New York with horror.  That is going to be a s**tshow, a real mess.  They are behind the curve and nothing can be done to take it back, now.  Hopefully as a country we can rally and help them.   Cuomo's words, so far, are some of my favorite of what I've heard during this outbreak so far.   I'm glad I don't have that man's job.

The UK seems to be taking good steps.

I was all impressed with India's lockdown, until I read an article about how doctors and other medical staff are being ostracized.  Often as I'll complain about American culture, hey, we're not as bad off as that.  We do have some respect for each other and some love for each other.  (not to say that India doesn't.  But, I'm a doctor.  It particularly hits home for me that they are mistreating the people who are risking their own lives, to save others.)

Ronnie, did you just say that you were introducing us to yourself, to your cousin Ronnie, and to your other cousin Ronnie?   Yeah, that's what I thought I heard.  :)    Stay home and stay safe, you drunk.   Don't let this virus get you.

Too bad you weren't around when Zelmo was going off earlier. I notice he's gone quiet; hopefully he's figured it out. Like I said, at first I pooh-poohed the threat, but as the evidence built I changed my mind.

Nah,  I watched that part and stayed out of it, mainly because it was not productive and zelmo's opinion is, obviously, unimportant.  Fortunately for him his state's governor is taking the right steps to protect him. 

At first I was hopeful that this would be "just" as bad as influenza.  But the evidence quickly tossed that idea.

i have a question, zap, if i may. i know several people who had what they thought was the flu back in january/early february, do you think it could have been coronavirus instead? this illness in at the end of january was part of why my baby sister had a heart attack, and her doc thinks it may have been covid19, since she tested negative for the respiratory flu going around in wisconsin then.

if you're allowed to, please keep us updated on any possible testing for past illness that could help create vaccines, zap, and thank you!  :cheers:

I'll elaborate a bit more, too, for the curious.    First of all, thanks for the well wishes.  :)  Don't worry about me too much, though I thank you guys for saying as much.  I'm not at all surprised by the kindness, would expect nothing else from all y'all.

First of all, my immune system usually wins.  I'm one of those people who will watch everyone in his house get a bug and feel nothing, not even a tickle in the throat.  And that's seeing sick people all day doing primary care.   Sure,  I could get sick and get really really sick.  But it's less likely for sure.  I'm not fiftty yet, no chronic health problems.

My clinic and system have sharply cut down in-office visits.  In my clinic we'll usually see 1,150 people or so on a  given day, between three primary care teams (comprised of 8-11 docs and PAs each) plus various specialty, peds, internal med and so on.  We have cut that down to <150 visits per day, all in one part of the building.  One group of us is peeled off to see patients in person, in only that area.  The rest of us are doing virtual work, so mostly phone calls and emails, making decisions on peoples testing and work absences, and so on.      I am in the virtual category, unless our hospitals get overwhelmed -- if that happens, I'll be called to work there, as I did hospital work up until just a few years ago and I'm still quite competent there.   We bring in only the people we really really have to see, and we keep it as streamlined and safe for everyone involved as we can.   We do our covid testing as a drive-through nasal swab in the back parking lot, and that's working well to protect those involved and to keep people out of the building.

We (my family) are socially isolating carefully, I'm a careful handwasher / non face toucher, and I'm an introvert who is glad not to go out and talk to people too.  :)   And God only knows, I'm grateful to have steady work.   I know many whose livelihoods are just gone, or in doubt.    I feel so sorry for what they are going through, and we're doing what we can to help, locally.

Washington and Alaska seem to be well in the game of slowing it all down.  My local hospital is not overwhelmed.  The ICU is not full, and all elective cases and hospitalizations are firmly shut down, so actually the hospital nearest me is mostly clear and prepping up.  If we can keep the brakes on this thing locally, I think we can avoid being overwhelmed, at least around here.   But, we shall see.

People are not yet ordered to stay in their homes, but it's pretty darn close.  I have a letter work printed me to say that I'm a doctor and I'm essential and allowed to go where I need to go, in case it comes to authorities asking such questions.  Never have seen that before.   O.o     But, such are times.

I'm favorably impressed with local governmental response.     

I am thoroughly unimpressed with the federal response, but I'll keep my politics out of it otherwise than to say that.

I hope you all are keeping yourselves safe and well.  Remember that the social distancing WORKS and if we do it, we can make a huge difference in how this thing goes.  The economy of the world is going to tank, and that's a foregone conclusion.   We can save lives and reduce the economic harms at the same time, though.   Cuomo got it right.    But we save lives first.  We save lives, first.

Those of you who are diabetic or have autoimmune disease, or who live with the frail -- every time you go out, think about it.  Think about if you really have to do it, or can it wait.  Keep yourselves safe.  I don't want to hear about one damn serious illness among the people in this, my most favorite of internet communities.

are you okay, trev???
i just read that prince charles has tested positive.

I'd heard he'd had it. Seems an odd choice to me for someone to pick to create a fake story about, but then again there are some messed up people out there. I wonder why someone bothered?

Anyway, it is good to hear he is fine.

I'm fine thanks but I'm on leave (enforced but paid) until April 15th.

No comment on PC: peeps here know how I feel about him.

My sister-in-law's brother died of COVID today.  I never met the man and believe they were estranged.  Before that, I learned a long time pal 's boss is in the hospital with COVID. 

I'm very sorry, John.  :bluesad:

Sorry to hear that.  :bluesad: You're near the epicenter.

some hard truths here

https://www.takimag.com/article/speak-the-truth-shame-the-chinese/ (https://www.takimag.com/article/speak-the-truth-shame-the-chinese/)

If China doesn't stop people from eating exotic animals these sort of things are going to become all too common. thats the bottom line

some hard truths here
https://www.takimag.com/article/speak-the-truth-shame-the-chinese/ (https://www.takimag.com/article/speak-the-truth-shame-the-chinese/)
If China doesn't stop people from eating exotic animals these sort of things are going to become all too common. thats the bottom line

RC - its a right wing site. what part of it do you disagree with?

don't attack the messenger

and Joe Biden has been accused of sexual assault recently https://www.vox.com/2020/3/27/21195935/joe-biden-sexual-assault-allegation (https://www.vox.com/2020/3/27/21195935/joe-biden-sexual-assault-allegation)

one problem thats not addressed in that story is how the bats, which are not native to the area, ended up in this "wet market".

[url]https://thebulletin.org/2020/03/experts-know-the-new-coronavirus-is-not-a-bioweapon-they-disagree-on-whether-it-could-have-leaked-from-a-research-lab/[/url] ([url]https://thebulletin.org/2020/03/experts-know-the-new-coronavirus-is-not-a-bioweapon-they-disagree-on-whether-it-could-have-leaked-from-a-research-lab/[/url])

after SARS the Chinese govt set up a research facility in Wuhan to study animal to human transmission. so some people, including scientists from China, have speculated that THAT is how these animals ended up there. possibly taken from the lab and sold to people who like to eat "exotic" animals, which is the gimmick of these markets.


prevention this from happening is the key. we can't shut down the entire world every couple months for one of these things. We won't be able to "flatten the curve" every time, human imperfection being what it is

I don't know how or why it's here. I'll leave that to the scientists. Not by listening to unproven theories.

In late November 2018, just over a year before the first coronavirus case was identified in Wuhan, China, U.S. Customs and Border Protection agents at Detroit Metro Airport stopped a Chinese biologist with three vials labeled “Antibodies” in his luggage.

The biologist told the agents that a colleague in China had asked him to deliver the vials to a researcher at a U.S. institute. After examining the vials, however, customs agents came to an alarming conclusion.

“Inspection of the writing on the vials and the stated recipient led inspection personnel to believe the materials contained within the vials may be viable Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS) and Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) materials,” says an unclassified FBI tactical intelligence report obtained by Yahoo News.

The report, written by the Chemical and Biological Intelligence Unit of the FBI’s Weapons of Mass Destruction Directorate (WMDD), does not give the name of the Chinese scientist carrying the suspected SARS and MERS samples, or the intended recipient in the U.S. But the FBI concluded that the incident, and two other cases cited in the report, were part of an alarming pattern.

There are 10 cases in Van Buern County, Michigan.  :bluesad:

I am very proud of Tiana. She's taking all precautions, being she works in a nursing home.

this is a good start https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-china-wildlife/chinas-shenzhen-bans-the-eating-of-cats-and-dogs-after-coronavirus-idUSKBN21K0EW (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-china-wildlife/chinas-shenzhen-bans-the-eating-of-cats-and-dogs-after-coronavirus-idUSKBN21K0EW)

You tell her that I'm proud of her too.  Plus she's cute.  :lookingup: :wink:

Coronavirus could become a seasonally recurring menace, the nation’s top infectious-disease expert warned Sunday.

“Unless we get this globally under control there is a very good chance that it’ll assume a seasonal nature,” Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said on CBS’s “Face The Nation.”

for you folks to pester

i had a flu shot last fall and i know this virus isn't the flu but one wonders if that does help keep you from getting it?

really last i heard he was doing better.. with me i've got allergies so how in the hell am i suppose to tell which is which?

rev, there's no gaurantee at all that recovering from the virus will mean immunity, i've read several stories about doctors worldwide thinking that some of the people they're treating for it now were re-infected.

The science on SARS is uncontested, but that’s only because it didn’t become a huge international plague. SARS conspiracy theories didn’t drive web traffic, so the fantasists let it be. But with COVID, we want a mad scientist in a lab as the villain, not a billion arrogant, selfish, but ordinary a***oles who refuse to alter their gutter tastes in the name of saving lives.

I think I may have had it in January.

My completely non-expert prediction for my state is that restrictions will gradually start to ease by mid-May, and we'll be back to nearly normal by June.

i'm with you on the timeline, penny, at least here in our midwest corridor.
  indy, there's people out there who are also claiming this is NOT a virus, it's "an immune system response" or some such nonsense, but yes, created by bill gates, and trump is somehow being blackmailed into going along with it. i can post a link to the thread on my oz board, or post the incredible video, if you're interested.

What nonsense!

EVERYONE knows its 5G towers that are causing the symptoms!

The chorus of cheers on my FB feed when Trump announced that he is cutting funding for the WHO is truly depressing.
Like all bureaucracies, I am sure that WHO has its share of problems.
But slashing our contribution in the middle of a worldwide pandemic is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.
I am embarrassed at what the world must think of us!

Wow, I figured even Trump supporters would realize that was a huge f-up.

I bet that if he had INCREASED funding to the WHO, the very same people would be cheering just as loud.

What bothers me is I see the same phony, discredited claims circulating ad nauseum on FB every day.  This article talks about several of them:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/factcheck/6-zombie-claims-about-the-coronavirus-that-just-wont-go-away/ar-BB12GbF0?li=BBnb7Kz (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/factcheck/6-zombie-claims-about-the-coronavirus-that-just-wont-go-away/ar-BB12GbF0?li=BBnb7Kz)

The chorus of cheers on my FB feed when Trump announced that he is cutting funding for the WHO is truly depressing.
Like all bureaucracies, I am sure that WHO has its share of problems.
But slashing our contribution in the middle of a worldwide pandemic is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.
I am embarrassed at what the world must think of us!

What bothers me is I see the same phony, discredited claims circulating ad nauseum on FB every day.  This article talks about several of them:

[url]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/factcheck/6-zombie-claims-about-the-coronavirus-that-just-wont-go-away/ar-BB12GbF0?li=BBnb7Kz[/url] ([url]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/factcheck/6-zombie-claims-about-the-coronavirus-that-just-wont-go-away/ar-BB12GbF0?li=BBnb7Kz[/url])

6. The death toll is significantly oversold because people with coronavirus might actually die of something else

This theory has been popularized by Fox News analyst Brit Hume and began to spread last week.

Hume has argued that people who had the coronavirus and died might actually have died of other underlying conditions but are being logged as coronavirus deaths. He compared it to someone with prostate cancer dying with the disease rather than of it.
 
Carlson picked up that ball and ran with it on a show featuring Hume last week, suggesting that a decline in the number of weekly pneumonia deaths suggests some of those deaths are being wrongly blamed on the coronavirus.
 
A Republican Minnesota state senator who is also a physician appeared on Ingraham’s show and advanced a similar argument, suggesting doctors were being overly encouraged to cite coronavirus as a cause of death.

The White House task force itself, though, has rejected the notion that the numbers are being padded. The coronavirus coordinator on the task force, Deborah Birx, noted that when people have underlying conditions and die of the coronavirus, it’s because the virus exacerbated the situation.

“Those individuals will have an underlying condition, but that underlying condition did not cause their acute death when it’s related to a covid[-19] infection,” Birx said. “In fact, it’s the opposite.”

The latest statistics include probable coronavirus deaths through Monday. And even the new statistics may understate the death toll. Probable deaths were recorded as people who did not have a positive lab test for Covid-19, but did have Covid-19 or something similar listed as the cause of death on their death certificate.

“Behind every death is a friend, a family member, a loved one. We are focused on ensuring that every New Yorker who died because of COVID-19 gets counted,” Health Commissioner Oxiris Barbot said in a statement. “As a city, it is part of the healing process to be able to grieve and mourn for all those that have passed because of COVID-19. While these data reflect the tragic impact that the virus has had on our city, they will also help us to determine the scale and scope of the epidemic and guide us in our decisions.”

The city's death toll has soared so high that morgues have filled, funeral homes have been overwhelmed and burials of unclaimed remains on Hart Island have surged. As of Monday evening, the city tallied 107,263 cases of the coronavirus, with many more undetected because of lack of testing.

People whose death certificates don’t mention the virus still are not counted. From March 11 through April 13, 8,184 city residents died of causes not classified as confirmed or probable coronavirus.

I wonder if what he's doing isnt trying to get the WHO to pick a new leader, which they should probably do. the current one is well in the pocket of China

Some billionaires are satisfied with buying themselves an island. Bill Gates got a United Nations health agency in Geneva.

Over the past decade, the world’s richest man has become the World Health Organization’s second biggest donor, second only to the United States and just above the United Kingdom. This largesse gives him outsized influence over its agenda, one that could grow as the U.S. and the U.K. threaten to cut funding if the agency doesn’t make a better investment case.

The result, say his critics, is that Gates’ priorities have become the WHO’s. Rather than focusing on strengthening health care in poor countries — that would help, in their view, to contain future outbreaks like the Ebola epidemic — the agency spends a disproportionate amount of its resources on projects with the measurable outcomes Gates prefers, such as the effort to eradicate polio.
Concerns about the software billionaire’s sway — roughly a quarter of WHO’s budget goes toward polio eradication — has led to an effort to rein him in. But he remains a force to be reckoned with, as WHO prepares to elect one of three finalists to lead the organization.

“All of the candidates are going to have to ally with him in some way,” said Sophie Harman, associate professor of international politics at Queen Mary University of London. “You can’t ignore him.”
Evidence of Gates’ unprecedented influence abounds in ways subtle and showy.

Already a decade ago, when Gates started throwing money into malaria eradication, top officials — including the chief of the WHO’s malaria program — raised concerns that the foundation was distorting research priorities. “The term often used was ‘monopolistic philanthropy’, the idea that Gates was taking his approach to computers and applying it to the Gates Foundation,” said a source close to the WHO board.

Is it true that in the States staff who work in other departments in hospitals have been sacked since non-essential surgeries have been cancelled? If that is true surely these medical personal could be deployed in other more critical areas of health care?

Just curious. I am pretty sure if this is true that there would be plenty of other countries willing to give jobs to trained and qualified medical professionals right now.

Where are people best protected from Covid-19? According to a new ranking, Germany is currently the second safest country (first: Israel)  in the world to be in during the coronavirus crisis.
Given its initially high infection rates, Germany has been extremely efficient and has successfully stopped the spread of the disease without reaching the level of other countries – this will give Germany considerable economic advantages after the pandemic.

Finally somewhat good news here in Germany


This is far from over but after weeks of stress and scary news, positive news are more than welcomed. So far we only had one officially confirmed case of a young woman infected with the virus in our town four weeks ago. She's not quite over the hump yet but doing fine. Hopefully things will get better in other countries soon as well.

you are RIGHT,indy, the death count is way low according to the people i know in the medical community, because autopsies are rarely testing for covid19. and as for people with underlying issues being referred to as covid19 related if the person tested positive, THEY ARE . many people are dying because this disease debilitated their already compromised systems, and if they HADN'T been infected , they'd be alive now.

And you're certain of this? Presumptions have no place in modern medicine. Why trust any doctor at all at that point?

It is understandable that many would be wary of the notion that the origin of the coronavirus could be discovered by some documentary filmmaker who used to live in China. Matthew Tye, who creates YouTube videos, contends he has identified the source of the coronavirus — and a great deal of the information that he presents, obtained from public records posted on the Internet, checks out.

The Wuhan Institute of Virology in China indeed posted a job opening on November 18, 2019, “asking for scientists to come research the relationship between the coronavirus and bats.”

Blame China, for those of you that trust Yahoo News:


https://news.yahoo.com/trail-leading-back-wuhan-labs-172025888.html (https://news.yahoo.com/trail-leading-back-wuhan-labs-172025888.html)

Scientists are still investigating the origin of the coronavirus which has paralysed huge areas of the planet

Perhaps understandably, rumours have circulated that the virus might be man-made, but scientists have spoken out to explain why it's not true, Science Alert reports.

Specific features on the virus show that it's the product of natural evolution, according to experts - and some of the features could not actually be made in a lab.

Earlier this year, research published in Nature also concluded that it was not man made.

Nigel McMillan from the Menzies Health Institute Queensland told Science Alert, "All evidence so far points to the fact the Covid-19 virus is naturally derived and not man-made."

"No system exists in the lab to make some of the changes found."

McMillan also points out that some of the features of the virus would simply not make sense if it had been designed by human beings.

McMillan said "If you were going to design it in a lab the sequence changes make no sense as all previous evidence would tell you it would make the virus worse."

Rumours have also suggested that the virus may have originated in the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV), but researchers also said that this story doesn't entirely fit.

Edward Holmes of the University of Sydney said that the amount of changes in the virus kept in the WIV lab suggests it's unlikely to be the source.

Holmes said, "The closest known relative of SARS-CoV-2 is a bat virus named RaTG13, which was kept at the WIV. There is some unfounded speculation that this virus was the origin of SARS-CoV-2."

"However, RaTG13 was sampled from a different province of China (Yunnan) to where Covid-19 first appeared and the level of genome sequence divergence between SARS-CoV-2 and RaTG13 is equivalent to an average of 50 years (and at least 20 years) of evolutionary change."

Research also suggests another scenario where the virus has been circulating undetected for some time, possibly years.

The researchers wrote: "It is possible that a progenitor of SARS-CoV-2 jumped into humans," and acquired new features "during undetected human-to-human transmission".

"Once acquired, these adaptations would enable the pandemic to take off and produce a sufficiently large cluster of cases to trigger the surveillance system that detected it."

Coronaviruses are zoonotic, meaning they are transmitted between animals and people, the World Health Organisation (WHO) says.

Coronaviruses are a large family of viruses that cause illnesses ranging from the common cold to more severe diseases such as Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (Sars).

The researchers suggest that it's possible the virus could have "jumped" into humans many times, writing: "Sufficient opportunity could have arisen if there had been many prior zoonotic events that produced short chains of human-to-human transmission over an extended period."

Earlier this month, scientists unravelled some of the secrets of the new coronavirus in a breakthrough which helps to explain its rapid spread - and could lead to new drugs to treat it.

Researchers from the University of Minnesota investigated the 'spike' protein on the surface of SARS-CoV-2 to understand why the virus spread so rapidly.

The work could lay the groundwork for drugs to block the novel coronavirus from attaching itself to, and infecting, human cells, the researchers believe.

The study was published in the journal Nature.

Professor Fang Li, said "In general, by learning what structural features of viral proteins are most important in establishing contact with human cells, we can design drugs that seek them out and block their activy ike jamming their radar."

"Our work can guide the development of monoclonal antibodies that would act like a drug to recognize and neutralize the receptor-binding part of the spike protein.

WA state has ~ 7.5 million people.
We've tested only 145,000 of us so far (0.2%).  We are working on increasing testing capacity as is most everyone now.

12,282 confirmed cases, and thus far 682 deaths.   Only one in my county so far, which is amazing to me.

The Lieutenant governor of Texas was quoted as saying that "There are more important things than living, and that’s saving this country for my children and grandchildren and saving this country for all of us."     Which is quite an observation.  It's saving the country for all of us except for all of us who have died, I'd suppose?     It's almost as though some believe that no one can recover from financial ruin, and anyone can recover from death?

My state continues to keep everything locked down, and we're probably going to have the will to keep it that way until it's reasonable not to.  I expect that will be another 2 months but I don't really know, at this point.

I am so, so grateful that I, my family, my brothers and brothers in law, my mom, my nieces, my nephews, my coworkers, all are well.  No one close to me who is sick and in trouble.    Each morning, I thank Jesus that this is the case.   And then after that, I thank my colleagues.   And I thank the people who are delivering groceries, keeping the electricity flowing...

I am grateful too that we haven't heard of one of us badly ill... true?  Nothing I've seen.

Obligatory bad movie content:  my eldest daughter hasn't seen The Fifth Element.  Think will try to get her to watch that today or tomorrow.   Mult-eee-pass, you know?

Who the hell said that one? The language level sounds like trump but surely even he isn't that much of a f**ktard?

The mayor of Las Vegas is Carolyn Goodman.  

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/las-vegas-mayor-gives-wild-195711383.html
 (https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/las-vegas-mayor-gives-wild-195711383.html)


On other news: "Inject disinfectant!"

“And then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you could do either through the skin or in some other way. I think you said that you are going to test that, too. And then I saw the disinfectant, where knocks it out in one minute, and is there a way we could do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning. As you see it gets in the lungs, it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it would be interesting to check that.”  

 :buggedout: :question: :lookingup:  :bluesad:  :thumbdown: :hatred:

That people continue to support him shows everything that is wrong with democracy...

Who is worse though I wonder, the idiot who leads or those who follow?

He now says he was being sarcastic - but honestly, I think he is just that stupid.

Now FB is full of people pointing out that there are surgical disinfectants that can be used internally, and that the learned medical expert President Trump was doubtless referring to a safe and commonly practiced medical procedure . . .

He now says he was being sarcastic - but honestly, I think he is just that stupid.

Now FB is full of people pointing out that there are surgical disinfectants that can be used internally, and that the learned medical expert President Trump was doubtless referring to a safe and commonly practiced medical procedure . . .

my husband has to go back to work on monday because his employer got the PPP LOAN. and no offense to the youngers here, but he works with young idiots. in all honesty, i'm terrified for him, and for me. i'm not dealing with this well yet, i'm not sure i ever will. i wish they had let HIM stay laid off,since he has heart issues. i'm really TRULY scared for the first time since this started. i've already lost 3 friends, i CAN'T lose my husband, and he can't lose me. i can't even think right now....

my husband has to go back to work on monday because his employer got the PPP LOAN. and no offense to the youngers here, but he works with young idiots. in all honesty, i'm terrified for him, and for me. i'm not dealing with this well yet, i'm not sure i ever will. i wish they had let HIM stay laid off,since he has heart issues. i'm really TRULY scared for the first time since this started. i've already lost 3 friends, i CAN'T lose my husband, and he can't lose me. i can't even think right now....

Chances of you or your husband being hospitalized are super-low. Most people who get infected never even know, it or have only mild symptoms.

Something I posted on FB earlier today:

So let me get this straight - Bill Gates paid the Chinese to manufacture a virus and release it on their own people first so he could pay Dr. Fauci to advise Trump to shut down the country after first dismissing the whole thing as a hoax, so that the Democrats could win the election next fall, and the whole world played along with it - all so that Gates could complete the work of American Nazi Henry Ford and force us all to get vaccinations which would make us autistic, and plant us with tracking chips so that the Illuminati could then use "murder hornets" to wipe out a third of humanity, while spreading the virus with 5G towers all over the planet?

Or did I leave out the space aliens?

and now i just read that the trump administration has forced the CDC to shelve their 19 pages of recommendations on how to reopen safely. way to go, cheeto, kill off thousands more of my fellow citizens. and remember, come november, we KNOW that much of their blood is solely on YOUR hands.  :hatred:

Something I posted on FB earlier today:

So let me get this straight - Bill Gates paid the Chinese to manufacture a virus and release it on their own people first so he could pay Dr. Fauci to advise Trump to shut down the country after first dismissing the whole thing as a hoax, so that the Democrats could win the election next fall, and the whole world played along with it - all so that Gates could complete the work of American Nazi Henry Ford and force us all to get vaccinations which would make us autistic, and plant us with tracking chips so that the Illuminati could then use "murder hornets" to wipe out a third of humanity, while spreading the virus with 5G towers all over the planet?

Or did I leave out the space aliens?

All it took was a global pandemic for us to see the return of 2 oldtimers in one day.  :cheers: to Jim H!

I wonder what percentage of a countries population has to follow lockdown rules in order for it to be effective?

2. No cigarette sales.

South Africa got locked down at the end of March and while people accepted it at first, the backlash is growing.

Some of the more stupid rules:

1. No alcohol sales.
2. No cigarette sales.
3. All hairdressers, barbers etc closed.
4. Dusk to dawn curfew.
5. No cinemas open.
6. Fast food and restaurants closed.

Whoopee: reminds me of South Africa in the apartheid years.  :hatred:

All it took was a global pandemic for us to see the return of 2 oldtimers in one day.  :cheers: to Jim H!

Hives, bumps, blotches and toe discolouration ― as doctors learn more about the coronavirus, reports are beginning to emerge that Covid-19-positive patients sometimes experience different kinds of rashes on their bodies.

It turns out that "Covid toes" are indeed a thing, but they're not the only skin symptom you may experience if you're carrying the virus, and rashes may appear even after your infection has cleared.

James Bradley, a board-certified plastic surgeon at Northwell Health, has been working directly with hospitalized Covid-positive patients. He has seen a wide range of skin symptoms firsthand, usually in one area of the body.

"We have seen almost a hive-like rash on the trunk, and I did see one 6-year-old who had it around the belly button and back areas," he said.

"It's pinkish, raised and itchy. I've seen other patients that it's more like an eruption of small red bumps, which we've seen mostly in patients who are admitted with more serious infections going on. It's hard for us to know if this is a viral manifestation or an immune response."

Harold Lancer, a board-certified dermatologist, said there are a variety of potential skin issues to look out for.

"Skin findings in patients with Covid-19 can be extraordinarily diverse," he told HuffPost. "Hive-like rashes, itchy or not, are the most common. Blotchy, red, migrating spots have also been noted along with areas that look like inflamed eczema, seborrheic dermatitis or perioral dermatitis."

Doctors think Covid toes — when there are red blotches on or even a hypothermia-like appearance of the toes — may be a result of the virus causing inflammation of blood vessels. Fingers and toes have the tiniest vessels, and are therefore more at risk.

"A lot of the skin manifestations we see are representative of what's going on internally with the organs, and fingers and toes relate to thrombosis and the damage to the inside of blood vessels," Bradley said.

"When you get blueish and reddish toes, it's either thrombosis or damage to the vessels."

Of course, Covid-19 is not the first virus to cause a rash — think chickenpox, measles, and hand, foot and mouth disease. But unlike these viral illnesses, not every person who is infected with Covid-19 will develop a telltale sign on their skin.

"There are papers coming out of Italy and China suggesting 2% to 20% have skin symptoms," said Jessica Cataldi, a board-certified infectious disease specialist at Children's Hospital Colorado.

"It's not the primary symptom for most people; the majority of people with Covid won't have a rash."

Reports in early May stated that children were experiencing rashes too, part of a new issue facing medical professionals: children seemingly developing Kawasaki disease, which causes inflammation in the blood vessels and a rash, during or after a Covid infection.

"In the skin, inflammation of the blood vessels can appear as excessive pink-red coloration all the way down to a paler, blanched look,"

Lancer said of the Covid-related symptoms doctors have seen in children lately.

"Nonetheless, it is a blood vessel inflammation and perhaps nerve inflammation. It is unknown if children are more likely to experience skin rashes than adults."

Although all of these observations require further research, doctors agree that a Covid-related rash could pop up on someone who isn't having any other symptoms. Whether that means their body wasn't very affected by the virus, or whether it means it has already passed through, depends on the individual.

There was a paper out of Spain published with over 300 patients, and in patients with lesions on the fingers or toes, less than half of them actually tested positive for Covid, whereas some of the other rashes I mentioned, a lot of those were testing positive," Cataldi said.

"What we're wondering is for the toe findings, is that something that happens after the body has helped clear the virus and your body is responding? Especially with Covid toes, those seem to happen in people who may not have many other symptoms at all."

"We have seen patients with just a rash and malaise who test positive for Covid. It could be one of the symptoms when you don't have others," Bradley explained.

If you see a rash or skin change developing that is unusual for you, Cataldi said it's worth calling your doctor. A medical professional can advise on the best over-the-counter treatment or determine if you should make time to get tested for the coronavirus.

"If it's new, different or something you haven't experienced before, you should absolutely call your doctor and ask what they think," she said.

"A lot of doctors are doing tele-health right now and should be able to take a look at it. Think back, are there any new medicines you've been taking, or any new lotions or things you've been putting on you skin lately? You can call your doctor and have them look at that rash, and the best way to figure out if it's Covid is to get tested."

Experts are still learning about the novel coronavirus. The information in this story is what was known or available as of press time, but it's possible guidance around Covid-19 could change as scientists discover more about the virus.

Please check the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention for the most updated recommendations.

And earlier today- Doc Daneeka and Andrew all stopped in to say their farewells to Raffine.
 

Cheers Rev!   :cheers:

I never forget about this place, even if I'm not super active.

^ I agree- they deserve to be heard. But why with guns? If a bunch of blacks protested in Lansing with guns, you know the s**t would hit the fan.

Both sides of the political spectrum are out of work and may loss everything. Both are also dying.
If things reopen too soon, more folks will die, businesses will close up again, and it will start all over. And then we will be back where we were on day one.

And yet, If things don't reopen soon, more folks will die,

 

... I'm sorry for your family's loss; ...

Explain this one to me, please.

i just saw on yahoo news that bars are open now and they are it say full of people in short nobody gives a sh*t about the rules anymore because they i think, think the virus has gone away even though it hasn't and no bars should be open and when all these people get sick for not staying home and they end up dead

than they have nobody to blame other than themselves

Conspiracy theories are cheat codes for ignorant people. Aquiring expertise in a given field is hard, it takes effort and dedication. It's a lot easier to write it off as bulls**t than it is to put your nose in a book or spend hours in a lab. So, rather than put in the work, just convince yourself that they're all lairs and you are one of the view smart enough to see through it. It's more satisfying to one's ego than to admit you just aren;t all that intelligent and you don't understand.

This is in Wisconsin, right? The Wisconsin Supreme Court ruled (in a controversial 4-3 decision) that the stay-at-home order was unconstitutional.

I think most of the partiers think they probably won't get the virus, or will get it and not have symptoms (which is correct, the odds of them getting seriously sick are low). They're not worried about spreading it to others. It's selfishness.
Some of them probably think it's all a hoax, too.

Explain this one to me, please.

Well, what are you going to do when your essential job suddenly becomes non-essential? What will you do when the unemployment insurance runs out? When the stimulus checks stop coming in from Nancy Pelosi's people? When the food supply chain runs dry? I guess you could go and live in the hills and fight over elk or deer with the other Natives...until they scalp you, that is.

I mean, we are all about gloom & doom in here, aren't we? So I guess we're going to have to start talking about this sometime; might as well start now.

...Well, what are you going to do when your essential job suddenly becomes non-essential? What will you do when the unemployment insurance runs out? When the stimulus checks stop coming in from Nancy Pelosi's people? When the food supply chain runs dry? I guess you could go and live in the hills and fight over elk or deer with the other Natives...until they scalp you, that is.
I mean, we are all about gloom & doom in here, aren't we? So I guess we're going to have to start talking about this sometime; might as well start now.

...
To say one or another group is a bunch of cry babies is to improperly discount their fears. To say someone does not care because they want to reopen is also improper. A diabetic might want to reopen his business in spite of any personal risk to his health because he has loans coming due at the end of the year, loans his supplies required him to take.

Zelmo's rhetoric is poor, but his logic is not. Governmental payouts are useless if a significant part of the economy is shut down; money is only worth what it can buy. If factories aren't open there will be fewer products available, so prices would rise. Governmental loans are even worse; they'll put a lot of people in debt. With increased inflation it'll be hard to pay back those loans, & there's no bankruptcy protection for loans given by the government. There are supposed to be conditions where the loans will be forgiven, but they don't apply to every situation.

I'll try to; I just need to find the time.

People speak of a second or third wave of infection from the virus — and the instinct from politicians and public health authorities will be to have yet another round of lockdowns. But the point of flattening the curve, as population health expert Drew Harris has said, wasn’t to reduce the number of total cases (no matter what the curve, we’ll have the same “number of new cases over time,” he says). Rather, it was to make sure health care systems weren’t overwhelmed.
We’ve done that. And having done that, this fall schools need to reopen, jobs need to return, and we need to move toward some semblance of an open society. The disease will continue to ravage us, and the losses will be visceral and terrifying. But delaying our return to normalcy will make the costs even worse.

Will 40% of those additional deaths be among the elderly and people in nursing facilities? More than that? We’ll need increased testing and increased access to testing to know for sure. As we open up our communities, we should be honest with ourselves about the cost of liberty.
I’m sad that my mother has died. But my grief is darker knowing that so many other mothers will die. We are in the process of losing a large part of a generation. The least we can do is acknowledge what is happening and serve as honest witnesses. The least we could do is make an accurate count of the dead.

did someone see yesterday that Twitter used a fact check on Trump? he got p**sed and threatened to shut it down but he's not gonna do a damn thing, with him and tweeting it's like a sex addict going without sex

I did so many ZOOM lessons with my kids this spring; I always made sure my wife knew when I was online so she wouldn't exit the bathroom in a less than dressed state in front of my high schoolers!

Twitter just flagged his latest tweet for "glorifying violence."
I would do a happy dance if they suspended his account.  How AWESOME that would be!!!

how is it that he gets all p**sed off for someone saying he's lying once and gives actual facts but over 100,000 people thus far are dead and he does nothing? what logic is that?

^ I agree. Let the twit have his twitter.

also where did you even find that? it's exactly what he is, i wonder how many people that really got mad?  

So far.
A quick precis.
Copied from Jane Berry who found it on Twitter @Russincheshire.
"Too good to miss. It clears up everything. Enjoy.   The week in Tory (Cummings special):
1. Dominic Cummings, one of the few men to have ever been found in contempt of Parliament, moved onto contempt for everything.
2. When the story broke, and he was accused of doing things that look bad, he said he didn't care how things looked.
3. Then ministers said press outrage meant nothing, only the opinion of the people mattered.
4. Then polls showed 52% of people wanted Cummings to resign.
5. So Cummings decided to show the public some respect, by turning up 30 minutes late to make his explanation.
6. He began by saying he wasn't speaking for the govt, which must be why he was in the Rose Garden of 10 Downing Street.
7. Then the self-styled "enemy of the Islington media elite" said his wife, who works in the media, had been ill in their house in Islington.
8. But she was only a bit ill, so he popped home, got himself nice and infected, then went back to Downing Street for meetings with lots of vitally important people in the middle of a national crisis.
9. But then he got ill too, so then it was suddenly important.
10. Sadly he couldn't get childcare in London, even though 3 immediate relatives live within 3 miles of his London home.
11. So because he was carrying a virus that can cross a 2 metre distance and kill, he immediately locked himself in a car with his wife and child for 5 hours.
12. He then drove 264 miles without stopping in a Land Rover that gets maybe 25 MPG.
13. Then the scourge of the metropolitan elites made himself extra-relatable by describing his family's sprawling country estate, multiple houses and idyllic woodlands.
14. He explained that he'd warned about a coronavirus years ago in his blog.
15. Then it was revealed he actually secretly amended old blogs after he'd returned from Durham.
16. And anyway, if he'd warned years ago, why was he so massively unprepared and slow to react?
17. Then he said he was too ill to move for a week.
18. But in the middle of that week, presumably with "wonky eyes", he drove his child to hospital.
19. Then he said that to test his "wonky eyes" he put his wife and child in a car and drove 30 miles on public roads.
20. Then it was revealed his wife drives, so there was no reason for the "eye test", cos she could have driven them back to London.
21. Then it was revealed the "eye test" trip to a local tourist spot took place on his wife's birthday.
22. Then cameras filmed as he threw a cup onto the table, smirked and left.
23. And then it emerged his wife had written an article during the time in Durham, describing their experience of being in lockdown in London, which you'd definitely do if you weren't hiding anything.
24. A govt scientific advisor said "more people will die" as a result of what Cummings had done.
25. Boris Johnson said he "wouldn't mark Cummings " down for what he'd done.
26. The Attorney General said it was ok to break the law if you were acting on instinct.
27. The Health Minister said it was OK to endanger public health if you meant well.
28. Johnson said Cummings' "story rings true" because his own eyesight was fine before coronavirus, but now he needs glasses.
29. But in an interview with The Telegraph 5 years ago, Johnson said he needed glasses cos he was "blind as a bat"
30. Michael Gove went on TV and said it was "wise" to drive 30 miles on public roads with your family in the car to test your eyesight.
31. The DVLA tweeted that you should never, ever do this.
32. Then ministers started claiming Cummings had to go to Durham because he feared crowds attacking his home. The streets were empty because we were observing the lockdown.
33. And then a minister finally resigned.
34. Steve Baker, Richard Littlejohn, Isabel Oakeshott, Tim Montgomerie, Jan Moir, Ian Dale, Julia Hartley Brewer, 30 Tory MPs, half a dozen bishops and the actual Daily Mail said Cummings should go.
35. The govt suggested we can ignore them, because they're all left-wingers.
36. Then a vicar asked Matt Hancock if other people who had been fined for doing exactly what Cummings did would get their fine dropped. Matt Hancock said he'd suggest it to the govt.
37. The govt said no within an hour. Cummings' statement had lasted longer than that.
38. And if the guidelines were so clear, why were people being stopped and fined for driving to find childcare in the first place?
39. Then a new poll found people who wanted Cummings sacked had risen from 52% to 57%.
40. Cummings is considered the smartest man in the govt
41. And in the middle of all this, in case we take our eye off it: we reached 60,000 deaths. One of the highest per capita death rates worldwide.
42. We still face Brexit under this lot.
43. It's 4 years until an election.
44. And it's still only Wednesday"

I was reading an interesting article about how wither you wear masks and follow social distancing in the US very much breaks down along voter lines, with people who support trump being far less likely to follow them. I would find it highly ironic if things roll on until the US election if he were to lose it because his supporters were too ill to get up and vote and couldn't do postal votes either.

Despite a global death toll of nearly 450,000 and most of the planet shutting down for months, 7% of Britons do not believe there is any evidence coronavirus actually exists.

The finding, based on surveys of 2,254 UK residents aged between 16 and 75 carried out by King's College London and Ipsos Mori, was part of a wider study on conspiracy theories surrounding Covid-19.

It found that 30% of Britons believe coronavirus was created in a laboratory, while the same figure believe the actual death toll is being reduced or hidden by authorities.

Thirteen per cent said the pandemic was part of a global effort to force people to get vaccinated, while 28% believe most people in the UK have had coronavirus without realising it.

The study also found that people who rely on social media for information about coronavirus are more likely to believe conspiracy theories and breach lockdown rules.

More than one in 20 (8%) think the symptoms that most individuals blame on Covid-19 appear to be connected to 5G network radiation – a false conspiracy that is thought to have motivated a number of mobile mast attacks across the country during lockdown.

Of those who believe this theory, 60% said they get their information from YouTube, compared with 14% who think that it is false.

On Facebook, the number stands at 54% among believers, versus 20% of non-believers.

Among those who believe there is no hard evidence that the virus exists, 56% use Facebook as their key information source, almost three times higher than the proportion of people who do not believe such a thing (20%).

The findings also suggest a link between those who have broken lockdown rules and use social media for details about coronavirus as well.

Three in 10 people who wrongly believe that 5G is causing Covid-19 symptoms have gone outside despite suspecting they may have the virus, compared with just 4% among those who reject this belief.

People who admitted going outside with possible symptoms are more than three times as likely as those who have not to get a fair amount or great deal of their information about the virus from YouTube.

Meanwhile, 55% of Facebook-reliant users said they took the risk, compared with 21% who did not.

The results indicate a similar trend among those having friends or family over during lockdown, as well as failing to stick with two-metre distancing rules.

Professor Bobby Duffy, director of the Policy Institute at King's College London, said: "These sort of associations cannot prove that misinformation on social media platforms causes belief in conspiracies, lower trust and a greater likelihood of breaking the rules, but they point to a toxic mix between underlying beliefs and misleading information that can have real effects on how people behave, even during a pandemic."

A YouTube spokeswoman said they were "committed to providing timely and helpful information about Covid-19" and "quickly remove videos violating" their policies.

Facebook said they had removed hundreds of thousands of Covid-19-related pieces of misinformation "that could lead to imminent harm".

i have no idea i wish i knew, on yahoo one day this week i forget what day it had a headline and i didn't read the article where it claimed that blacks get it more than any other race so it further said the title how the virus is racist or something along the lines of that.

 i've got  question though and maybe someone knows the answer, a friend of mine who is for Trump claims that Trump had truckers get a pay raise and that no other president has done that, he's a trucker obviously lol my question is, is he right? did trump do that? if it is than that is the only thing he's done since he went into office.

The virus affects a higher percentage of people who are living in conditions of lower income.

Many of the people in the US living in those conditions are black.

That so many blacks are living in lower income situations is a consequence of systemic racism.

Therefore the fact that more blacks are affected by the virus is seen as a direct result of racism.

The virus itself does not discriminate.  The conditions do.  And those conditions have been imposed by racism.

That is the logic behind calling the virus "racist".  Not quite grammatically correct; but the root cause of blacks being disproportionately affected is racism.

A minor addition: it's not really proven yet, but they also are now hypothesizing that low vitamin D blood levels put you at higher risk of severe symptoms and death from COVID19.  And, of course, the primary way you get Vitamin D is through sun exposure, and darker skin reduces how much you get, and black people are therefore about twice as likely to have low vitamin D.  That's not really "racism" of course, I just thought it was interesting.

What I love most of this conversation is this f**king moron saying China is "Guilty before proven innocent." at 9:11.
Holy s**t! He says it more than once!  :buggedout:
And of course he says slow down testing remark by Trump was a joke. Yet- Trump said he dosn't joke.
Is Trump living in a fantasy world? If we don't test, we'll have no new cases.  :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle:
Holy f**king s**t!!!!  :bouncegiggle:

[url]http://youtu.be/zP8qmF49dmQ[/url] ([url]http://youtu.be/zP8qmF49dmQ[/url])

Watching a video from a study in the UK. Covid seems to be causing an increased likelihood of swelling of the brain (encephalitis), blood clots and strokes. Just how deep is this rabbit hole going to go?

Starting to wonder if we should start chucking vegans into volcano's to see if we can appease the ancient ones or something.

This was just send to me

SOUTHEND-ON-SEA, ENGLAND - JUNE 25: A general view of crowds on the beach on June 25, 2020 in Southend-on-Sea, England.

(https://i.postimg.cc/7hFJr1z3/BB15Z59f.jpg)

 :buggedout:

Americans aren't the world's only idiots.

Watching a video from a study in the UK. Covid seems to be causing an increased likelihood of swelling of the brain (encephalitis), blood clots and strokes. Just how deep is this rabbit hole going to go?

Starting to wonder if we should start chucking vegans into volcano's to see if we can appease the ancient ones or something.

This is insanity

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I have pretty much decided that the USA DESERVES to have more deaths from COVID than any nation on earth, because we have become a nation of selfish morons!!!!

Just wear the stupid mask already!!!!!
 :hatred: :hatred: :hatred: :hot: :hot:

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I'm hoping this kind of thing will increase public support for masks, as some who are kind of mildly anti-mask for laziness reasons won't want to be associated with these kind of crazy people. Probably won't happen that way, but that's my hope.

It's just nuts to me that people think a public health recommendation is a political issue. Partisanship has broken America. We're f**ked.

A new level of stupidity. What is wrong with people?

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Visualization showing how fast Covid-19 became the #1 cause of global death in 2020.

https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/2944635/?fbclid=IwAR3xTTeXWAXYDYhhBhVI_7Ud2zQ9laieGaZyXHevFrck9YhiEolx_nFjqZ4

A bit of clarification, I think this chart is just comparing it to a variety of well-known and common causes to give perspective on how bad it is, not compare it to total global deaths period.  For example, cancer kills over 9 million a year, strokes over 5 million, car accidents over 1 million, etc.  Though a bit of an aside, I'd say when all the numbers are added up including the many deaths being missed in official counts, it's quite likely to top car accidents by year end.

If not for the protests it would probably be over

If not for the protests it would probably be over

C'mon, that's just silly.

But there are so many folks out there that think the aliens are going to attack, the Earth is flat, and there is a Nazi base in Antartica.

Yeah, those in the know, are aware that the real Nazi base is on the moon.  :bouncegiggle:

Now, now, gentlemen.  This is a bad movie forum.
We cannot overlook the possibility that there are Nazi bases in BOTH those locations!!
(And in the Amazon, too!)

WASHINGTON – The Trump administration has officially begun to withdraw the United States from the World Health Organization, even as the COVID-19 pandemic continues to grip the globe and infections spike in many states across the U.S. 

Congress received formal notification of the decision on Tuesday, more than a month after President Donald Trump announced his intention to end the U.S. relationship with the WHO and blasted the multilateral institution as a tool of China. The White House said the withdrawal would take effect on July 6, 2021.

Trump has officially begun to withdraw the US from the World Health Organization as pandemic spikes


usatoday.com (https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/07/07/covid-19-trump-officially-withdraws-us-world-health-organization/5391909002/)

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Rev- you don't think the massive protests where no social distancing was observed had any effect on the spread of corona?

pennywise - sorry to be so cynical but ultimately the protest and riots were a result of people being BORED more than anything else. WHy else would they have expanded into protests for transexual and gay rights? what does that have to do with george Floyd? People wanted to go outside

it's a number of reasons was my point not just one reason. but having people refuse to wear masks and not give a rat's ass about anyone but themselves isn't helping it either.

The protests were not a thing about boredom. .   This has been a long, long time coming, and inevitable.

We need to have change in our society, and the privileged have to become aware of the reality of their situation and the reality of the racism in our systems (in America).  The numbers show this.

believe that if you want, but from a public health perspective WHY people were in the streets makes ZERO difference

As an aside, I think it's fair to point out there's absolutely been hypocrisy in how people treat different protests in this era.  Honestly, I think anyone suggesting otherwise isn't looking at it very closely.  To be clear, I get some people saying "it's not different danger wise, but X protest is more worth it", agree or disagree - I get that logic.   But a lot of people completely ignored the danger entirely when they were more sympathetic to the protest.  I'll say a lot of big media pieces did point it out (I remember CNN having some stuff on it), but a ton of friendly coverage did not.  It was hard not to notice the difference in mainstream media coverage VS the protests in Michigan and so forth, in regards to spreading COVID.

Oh, one difference that's kind of interesting from another perspective - quite a few people in Europe were absolutely FURIOUS over a lot of the solidarity protests over there, especially in the UK.

That said...  From what they've been finding so far (via tracing those at protests who it turned out had COVID, there's now been a few attempts on this out there), the protests didn't spread it nearly as much as a lot of people were afraid.  The general thinking now is that being outdoors greatly reduces the chances of transmission period, even more than they originally thought.  Which is a good thing, really.  You can also typically see this where the cases are greatly increasing VS where they are not - New York City had huge protests in tight outdoor spaces, and their caseload is relatively steady for instance.  Based on what they're saying now, it's looking like the states that allowed congregation in crowded indoor places like bars and restaurants indoors are one of the biggest sources of the resurgence - a commonality of California, Texas, Florida, Arizona, etc.

it's also bringing out the racist idiots out even more than usual it seems too. my thoughts may be all over the place that's true but there is just so much Bullsh*t  out there these days that i can't always keep track of it. i'm against the looters those need to stop i think, ya know they really need to pay attention to what these people are saying and not just saying black lives matter and dress up etc... actually do something to prove to the people and once they see it's actually in motion the protests may stop.

the Boston tea Party they dumped the tea in the water they DID NOT steal it. Bostonian here

^ Holy Moly! Where do you live in Alaska? In a town with 3 people?

I think your a brat- or maybe a snowflake on most anything, and are just here to start a fire.
You think your special because of one reason or another. Ain't that what you Trumpers call the rest of the world? Yet I see more whining and crying from Trumpers than anyone else. Gimme a break.  :lookingup:
You think your entitled, because your white. Of course you told me your an Indian.
Ok. If that's true- your still a f**king idiot for what I just said.

Pennywise is a person with compassion. Your a scumbag troll.

^ Yeah! But I can sober up!  :drink:
You'll always be a pinhead!   :twirl:

My local sportswriter puts America's situation pretty succinctly: "We'd rather fight each other than fight this virus."

The reproduction rate here in Germany dropped to 0,66 even though experts are still warning of a second wave of infections most likely starting in August / September. We shall see...

I saw on the local news that a 30 year old in San Antonio contracted the virus and died after attending a "COVID party."
He told the nurse before he died: "I thought this was a hoax, but it wasn't."
What the h*** did he expect?

It's surreal that people still think this is a hoax. What is their malfunction? I just don't understand.

One of Tiana's fellow workers at the nursing home tested positive for COVID 19 today.  :bluesad:
She went to a party. A drinking party! Sharing bottles and s**t!
Stupid f**king people.  :hatred:

Didn't realize Tiana worked at a nursing home. That's the front line. Stay safe.

And I had yet another endless, looping argument with a nutcase trying to say that seasonal flu has a higher mortality rate than COVID-19, even though all available data shows that to be untrue.  Why do I bother?

i had a fight of sorts with some D**k head on you tube the other day and saying how it is the flu and how the survial rate is 99%

And wasn't there something about the Governor of Georgia suing the Mayor of Atlanta over the city requiring masks?   Suing.  Suing. :buggedout:   :twirl: :twirl: :twirl:

And then said that mask wearing is mandatory.

yeah but that doesn't effect everyone for example Tom Hanks was on Colbert recently and his wife had that yet when he had it he still had his sense of smell.